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Sam
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Leftist Distortion wrote: <quoted text>
The first reality check is going to be when all the new patients start lining up for our already over burdened medical system.
If the Liberals were 1/2 as samrt as they THINK they are, they would have started with a plan to increase the number of health care professionals and facilities.
I actually look forward to listening to the crying these government health care suckers are going to be doing when they realize they've been screwed. ROFLMAO.....you just have your head so far up the republican fear machine you really think this will happen. You are certainly demonstrating your hatred of this nation and your desire to see us fail. Hate to break it to you pal. It will be a far better health system if we got the same care you pay for Congress to have.
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“Say What???”
Joined: Feb 24, 2009
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United States
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maria wrote: <quoted text>lol i visit militray hospitals all the time whats wrong with them they had electronical medical records since years ...tricare is a formidable thing ...i had cancer treatment for the thyroid ..excelent care infact they where more advanced than civilian hospitals i had a psvt removed with radiofrquency ablation....thats to trat an irregular heartbeat was done years ago no more problems ..tonsilectomy ..without a hitch despite my being a grown up when they came out ..no waiting times for any of the procedures...my cousin had breast cancer treatment militaray hospital ..at least as good as civilian hospital .....my son had tonsils removed as a child no problem ...when baby was sick promt treatment ...all meds free...and if you have a preexsisting condition like diabetis streamlined treatment from an edocrinologist not a general practitioner ...nooooo an endo ..in the civilian world you wait month to see an endo....you are a babble head ...and iam a nurse i would not utilize a civilian facility if my live dependet on it ......laughable....they have treatments for smokers if you want to quit they have treatment and classes for fat people if you want help from a nutritionist ...they have mental health care ...and you want a civilian hospital .....right You are a nurse? Guess you will work for the government healthcare...Prime example of what we will get for free...Those of us who WORK and pay for insurance will end up with lesser coverage, longer waiting, insurance co. turning down procedures, and treatments..no more early diagnosis and treatment..unless you want to pay cash for it yourself...
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“Say What???”
Joined: Feb 24, 2009
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Sam wrote: <quoted text>
ROFLMAO.....you just have your head so far up the republican fear machine you really think this will happen. You are certainly demonstrating your hatred of this nation and your desire to see us fail.
Hate to break it to you pal. It will be a far better health system if we got the same care you pay for Congress to have. Do you really believe that every American will have the same insurance that congress has? Do you really believe that?
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Leftist Distortion
Milledgeville, GA
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Sam wrote: <quoted text>
ROFLMAO.....you just have your head so far up the republican fear machine you really think this will happen. You are certainly demonstrating your hatred of this nation and your desire to see us fail. Political history and philosophy has been my hobby for over 25 years. Among other sources, I have a library of over 200 books that cover the full spectrum, from Libertarianism to Communism and then some. I have studied American history, with emphasis on the 20th century. There is a historical trail that shows Fabian style Socialism has been whittling away at this country since Woodrow Wilson. How about you? How deep is YOUR knowledge? Sam wrote: <quoted text> Hate to break it to you pal. It will be a far better health system if we got the same care you pay for Congress to have. Hate to break it to you, pal, but you won't be getting the same care Congress gets. The elite will ALWAYS have access to better doctors and facilities. They will never be put on a waiting list, or denied treatment because some bureaucrat decided the benefit wasn't worth the cost. Everyday people, however, will. Once the system is in place, Health care will be rationed. Mark my words. Socialism re-distributes wealth. It offers no incentive to create wealth.
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Chains for America
Hubert, NC
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Any American who wants the government involved in anything is a drooling moron.
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Leftist Distortion
Milledgeville, GA
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Sam wrote: <quoted text>
ROFLMAO.....you just have your head so far up the republican fear machine you really think this will happen. PS - It is an obvious fact that supply must increase with demand or availability and quality decreases. It is as obvious as a household that must produce more food as the size of the family increases. What has ANYONE said - much less done - about providing for the increased demand? And if demand DOESN'T increase dramarically, that will mean the whole "crisis" was a lie. Disagree? Instead of just flinging insult, explain how I am wrong.
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Chains for America
Hubert, NC
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Have you ever been to an all you can eat buffet or a free meal? People pile food on their plate because it is free or paid for already. Same logic for "free" health care. It will be abused and the abuse will create backlogs. In the end, it will be crap like anything the government manages. My God, just look at Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare. Crap.
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Montys python
Las Vegas, NV
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Mike wrote: Anybody that wants government run healthcare is an idiot. They just want something for nothing. This country is just full of people that want everybody else to pay for their existance.
I want a kid, I want health care, I want a house, I want an education. Work your butt off like I did and many others did and quit expecting the government to just give you everything. Read a report several weeks ago about the state of the Indiana Reservation Health System.The joke among Indian Tribes,which by treaty are to get free health care,is don't get sick after June 1st because the health system is out of money.Add the almost daily horror stories out of the VA system,good luck with govt health care.
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Yep
Gainesboro, TN
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Overtaxed wrote: <quoted text>
No they are not. Neither are the hotel industry jobs. The large grocery chain jobs are a little better but not much. This is what happens when a country switches from a manufacturing economy to a service economy. These jobs do not require the job skills that a manufacturing job does and, as a result, they do not pay the kind of wages or benefits that manufacturing does.
In many communities (and I live in one) the manufacturing jobs have dried up. Our county lost their largest (and best paying) manufacturing plant to Mexico. Then, four years later the smallest to Communist China, the last is closing in 21 days, a victim of the current recession/depression. Those who are out of work from THESE plants either take service sector jobs, move away, or go on public assistance. There ARE no other jobs available. These are NOT (as a lot of posters will say) the results of unionization. NONE of these shops had a union and, this is a "right to work" state so there are no closed shops anyway. Almost every person who lost the jobs in the first two rounds of closings, now works for LESS money in the service industry. Those who do not, moved away to find better employment or are now on the public dole. It is extremely difficult for a person who has worked at one place for 20 or 30 years and established roots in a community to pull up stakes and leave. If they do, what company will hire a 50 year old when there are 20 somethings available ? This is what good hard working Americans are facing, and then I hear some posters who make a million and a half a year, or have profitable businesses here moving to the Caymen Islands to avoid taxes, CRYING that the government is taking their money to fund healthcare for AMERICANS. It makes me ashamed to think what a place America is becoming. Ken, I am not bashing any party in this post. This is the results of BOTH parties in Washington being out of touch with what is happening to AVERAGE Americans. Great Post! A good description of our current situation.
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Yep
Gainesboro, TN
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Chains for America wrote: Have you ever been to an all you can eat buffet or a free meal? People pile food on their plate because it is free or paid for already. Same logic for "free" health care. It will be abused and the abuse will create backlogs. In the end, it will be crap like anything the government manages. My God, just look at Social Security, Medicaid and Medicare. Crap. FREE Health care is only a talking point by the oponents of a universal health paln. There is no intention of having a FREE healthcare plan. IT may be based on income but it is NOT FREE.
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Yep
Gainesboro, TN
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Fat Bottom Girl wrote: <quoted text>You are a nurse? Guess you will work for the government healthcare...Prime example of what we will get for free...Those of us who WORK and pay for insurance will end up with lesser coverage, longer waiting, insurance co. turning down procedures, and treatments..no more early diagnosis and treatment..unless you want to pay cash for it yourself... "Those of us who work and pay for insurance" I hope you don't think that everyone without coverage don't work and don't want insurance because you are very wrong. The middle class is hurting because many cannot afford to pay for coverage if their employer does not offer it. There is also another group of uninsured which includes people like me who cannot get insurance coverage due to job loss and a history of cancer. With $25,000 in annual medical bills I resent people posting that the uninsured are treated for free. That is another myth. I would like to be able to PAY for insurance. That is the intention of those who want a universal Healthcare plan not FREE healthcare
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Dems too crazy
Chicago Heights, IL
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Fat Bottom Girl wrote: Anybody that thinks the government can handle healthcare should visit a VA hospital.... Most VA hospitals. My adopted father died two years ago in the VA hopital in Chicago, he had the best care I had seen, as a matter of fact he was transferred from North Western which had some of the worst care I have seen. If he had been rushed to VA to begin with he may of still been living today. I am not sure about other VA hospitals but I do some voluteer work in Chicago VA and I have been impressed with the care through out the system here. Even the VA clinic on Erie does a good job.
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Oregon Is Disgusting
Toronto, Canada
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Fat Bottom Girl wrote: Anybody that thinks the government can handle healthcare should visit a VA hospital.... The VA hospital is so reviled among military families that when the Obama administration tried to get veterans who were already double covered by a spouse's private health insurance plan everyone freaked the heck out LOL. I'll spread the word that you are trying to get rid of VA care for vets and throw them into the private insurance market along with all of their pre existing conditions. Duck.
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Oregon Is Disgusting
Toronto, Canada
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Yep wrote: <quoted text>
FREE Health care is only a talking point by the oponents of a universal health paln. There is no intention of having a FREE healthcare plan. IT may be based on income but it is NOT FREE. Talking Points from the right wing trying to kill their gigantic profit-generating machine also known as USA's disastrous health care system. The profit motive is ferocious which is why the industry is spending $1.4 MILLION EVERY DAY to try and kill AND change. Their talking points, all lies of course: - It's socialism!(but keep the VA for vets of course) - 50% of people without insurance have simply made the choice to go naked. They love not having insurance. - There are huge waiting lines in Canada and the UK! Look, there are people sitting around in the waiting room - there are never any people waiting in the US for anything...right? - Everyone in Canada and the UK hate their health care system but curiously they aren't trying to adopt ours. ======= The health care industry has sent in 350 former Congress people and staffers to capitol hill to lobby their former colleagues and bosses. Their goal: NOTHING CHANGES. Why should it change for them? The Medical Loss Ratio (loss = paying out benefits) 1994-5: 95 cents/dollar paid out 2008: 80 cents/dollar paid out Wall Street loves numbers like that and expects that every single quarter the health insurance industry IMPROVES those numbers. Improves? That means these corporations are furiously trying to kick out customers who might need benefits paid to them and hike premiums.
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Oregon Is Disgusting
Toronto, Canada
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Fat Bottom Girl wrote: <quoted text> Do you really believe that every American will have the same insurance that congress has? Do you really believe that? Congress currently has the same plan as government employees. So YES the answer is YES. Do you think that this is the goal of the health insurance industry: 1994-5: Medical loss ratio = 95% 2008: Medical loss ratio = 80% Medical 'loss' ratio: ratio of monies paid out for benefits (you know, health care) versus what comes in as premiums. Why should we try an industry whose one and only concern is to 'improve' that Medical Loss Ratio each and every quarter? That is all they want to do. They don't care if anyone dies on the pavement or waits too long for kidney transplants or breast cancer operations. They want these people with expensive treatments TO DIE because then they won't have to pay out.
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Ehav
Clearfield, PA
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Oregon Is Disgusting wrote: <quoted text>
Estimated 18,000 Americans die each year from lack of insurance coverage and, therefore, care. 60% of bankruptcies are caused in part or full by medical bills.
Who knows how many people are absolutely impoverished, by a single serious illness or accident, in the space of a few months or years? People are now working their entire lives just to be able to pay their medical bills.
How ridiculous and inefficient is that? What an extraordinary waste. All that human capital and energy going to the bank accounts of a handful of private insurance company CEOs and managers.
For what? "" All that human capital and energy going to the bank accounts of a handful of private insurance company CEOs and managers. For what?"".... PROFIT! "" How ridiculous and inefficient is that?""... As business goes, strictly business, it is very efficient and profitable. Profitable because it is efficient. Ridiculous? Yes, to those who are injured and die from this system. The ridiculousness is the brutality of the greed involved. This stretches across the entire insurance and medical Cartels. Take hurricane Katrina. A young couple, starting out, prudent and responsible, purchased every aspect of property insurance available. Including umbrella coverage, which is very expensive. And the highest property damage available in terms of perceived damage. And types of damage. They received a whopping sum of $Z E R O. DOLLARS. For their destroyed home. Yes insurance companies are well known for using "Madoff tactics" for profit. Taking a persons money, and not giving anything back. I have long suspected that Katrina was the catalyst in starting the financial melt-down we are experiencing. 275,00 homes destroyed. Thats a lot of mortgages defaulted on in one day. Even if 25% were owned. Telephone, cable, and Utility companies lost at least 713,000 customers,and 80% permanently. Total Electricity was out for more than 2.3 million people in Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama and Florida. Now one has to take into consideration accounts that were already turned off for late payments. Which would put the loss at a respectful 10 customers lost due to hurricane damage. Kidding of course. Back to Americas medical issues. Irregardless of what takes place under the Obama reforms, the insures and all affiliated with medicine will profit as much as they did if not more. And the common man will get less than before.
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Ehav
Clearfield, PA
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TerryE wrote: Why are you here? why don't you return to whatever paradise you come from?
Regards, Terry
<quoted text> Why don't you get specific in your sarcasm?
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Ehav
Clearfield, PA
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Oregon Is Disgusting wrote: <quoted text>
Estimated 18,000 Americans die each year from lack of insurance coverage and, therefore, care. 60% of bankruptcies are caused in part or full by medical bills.
Who knows how many people are absolutely impoverished, by a single serious illness or accident, in the space of a few months or years? People are now working their entire lives just to be able to pay their medical bills.
How ridiculous and inefficient is that? What an extraordinary waste. All that human capital and energy going to the bank accounts of a handful of private insurance company CEOs and managers.
For what? Note my post a few above..."The commonman will get less"... Thursday July 9, 2009 Ariz. bill on limited health coverage becomes law The Associated Press PHOENIX (AP)- A bill that Gov. Jan Brewer has allowed to become law without her signature permits providers of private health insurance policies for uninsured individuals to omit some coverages normally mandated by the state. Brewer acted on the bill on June 30 and disclosed her action in a report Thursday. Supporters say the business-backed bill will help make health insurance less expensive for uninsured people. Critics argued Arizonans could be hurt by having insurance that doesn't cover things such as treatment for alcoholism. The state already has a 2006 law allowing "mandate light" policies for small groups of people, such as employees of small businesses. As I was saying, here is a very good example. Insurance cartels know evry disease, accidents, and their potentail. Down to the amount of blood cells affacted. Thus, when they write these "bonanza-policies", or "light policies". The Insurance Cartels will see a new "Bonanza profit". Pennsylvania, started the same policies 5 years ago. Taking all those on disabilty and SSI, and forced them to take private insurance. The first year was decent. But every year since the coverage declined. And the Pennsyalvania insurance institute recorded record profits for the past 4 years. Haaaaaay, whadda know...
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Ehav
Clearfield, PA
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Oregon Is Disgusting wrote: <quoted text>
Congress currently has the same plan as government employees.
So YES the answer is YES.
Do you think that this is the goal of the health insurance industry:
1994-5: Medical loss ratio = 95%
2008: Medical loss ratio = 80%
Medical 'loss' ratio: ratio of monies paid out for benefits (you know, health care) versus what comes in as premiums.
Why should we try an industry whose one and only concern is to 'improve' that Medical Loss Ratio each and every quarter? That is all they want to do.
They don't care if anyone dies on the pavement or waits too long for kidney transplants or breast cancer operations. They want these people with expensive treatments TO DIE because then they won't have to pay out. BULLSEYE! Systematic/economic, euthanasias. Better yet, why butter it up with. It's really, "Economic/class murder. Compliments of the United States government. Who took hundreds of trillions of peoples money and promised them a return in their old age, of health insurance and a little income. Guess what? The United States Governments have been working ponzi scams long before Madoff came along. Obviously. As a factual matter. The entire United States fiscal system is a ponzi scam. Has been for 160 years. As blatantly obvious as this is, people will continue to turn a blind eye from these truths. Perhaps they cannot handle they were scammed by the very people whom they elected to protect them, their money, and way of life. Summation: The United States developed a system to commit economic genocide on it's own people. Insurance Cartels, banking cartels, Oil Cartels, and other "special intrest Cartels controll the entire government, as they are the government and have clearly shown that for any financial profit, the Cartels will murder any human being who mposes a risk to their profit margins. The nation once known as "America" is no longer. "America" is in name only. A ruse. Todays "America", is run by criminal for profit Cartels who have blatantly shown they will murder for profit. Making the entire Nation of "America" a huge criminal syndicate. From small local governments to the Fedearl branmch. A criminal enterprise.
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Ehav
Clearfield, PA
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Oregon Is Disgusting wrote: <quoted text>
Congress currently has the same plan as government employees.
So YES the answer is YES.
Do you think that this is the goal of the health insurance industry:
1994-5: Medical loss ratio = 95%
2008: Medical loss ratio = 80%
Medical 'loss' ratio: ratio of monies paid out for benefits (you know, health care) versus what comes in as premiums.
Why should we try an industry whose one and only concern is to 'improve' that Medical Loss Ratio each and every quarter? That is all they want to do.
They don't care if anyone dies on the pavement or waits too long for kidney transplants or breast cancer operations. They want these people with expensive treatments TO DIE because then they won't have to pay out. The original post: " Fat Bottom Girl wrote: <quoted text> Do you really believe that every American will have the same insurance that congress has? Do you really believe that?" }+}+}+}+}+ You stated " Congress currently has the same plan as government employees." Congress and federal employees do not have the same coverage. Yes, there is identical coverage, but the entire bundle is different. Especially at retirement. Now, we can focus on those who are not of the above sectors. And it is here where the poster was referring. She is correct. The Congress would not tolerate poverty coverage if they were involved.
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