Tennessee scores an "F" on smoking and health issues

I know him well wrote:

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You may be better off if you and more "natives" DO care. People are coming here in fairly large numbers from Florida. And New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Maryland, and lots of other hotbeds of liberalism. When people migrate, they take with them those customs and views of government that they think are "good". When the immigrants who vote finally outnumber the "natives" who vote, the immigrants set up governments that THEY approve of, whether the "natives" like it or not.

Linda Anthony wrote:

Now why do people like you insist on defining "liberal-ism" in that way???

Linda Anthony wrote:

you are FREE to back whence you came

TN Forever wrote:

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Please feel free to go back and live in Florida as soon as you possibly can. We'll miss you but we will understand.

Dennis wrote:

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Your posting name refers to TN Forever; but yet you don't even live there yourself.

TN Forever wrote:

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Yep, I live here. Forums do not always reflect the exact location to where you live. You on the other hand made reference to Florida. So if you like it there so much I can't understand why you would choose to live in Tennessee. If you come here to assimilate then the people here will welcome you no matter where you come from, but if you come here to try and make Tennessee like Florida or any other state then I don't think I'd like that too much. I moved here myself several years ago from NC. I have weaved myself into the fabric of these wonderful people and I listen closely and have learned their ways and personally I like their ways very much. They accept me because I didn't come here to make it like the place I came from, in fact I came here to get away from people who had moved from up north and Florida where I lived and were slowly changing it. We are a transient nation and many states, Florida not being the least, have people living in them from all over the world. Some places such as the place I was raised and the Appalachian people have a rich history that dates back hundreds of years. We take pride in it and do not adhere to a lot of what is now considered the politically correct and main stream America. If you want to be a part of it fine, if you want to change it go back to where you came from. That's my view anyway.

Dennis wrote:

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I'm from the Keystone State.

SMOKE_FREE TN wrote:

Public building means just what it says. A restaurant is public place. Taverns, School lobbies, court houses, grocery stores, hospitals, jail cells, group homes, etc are public. Splitting hairs and yelling that it's government control are utterly idiotic. My opinion is that smoke kills and it's not the smokers right to smoke in public or shared enclosed places. I may even say that it's not the right of parents to subject their children to indoor smoke.

TN Forever wrote:

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Ok then. If you like it there then I would see no need for you to move somewhere else. If you had to move due to your job or for family reasons or whatever reason then I would highly recommend you try to fit in with the people and culture that you bring yourself into. I would also not go blindly into a new culture. Nothing irks me more than people moving here without doing their homework and then expect to change everything. I'm wrong, nothing irks me more than someone who does do their homework about a place and then purposely goes there to get away from the crap hole they live in, and then they want to change the new place into what they left behinc. I just don't get that.

TN Forever wrote:

If you come here to assimilate then the people here will welcome you no matter where you come from, but if you come here to try and make Tennessee like Florida or any other state then I don't think I'd like that too much. I listen closely and have learned their ways and personally I like their ways very much. I came here to get away from people who had moved from up north and Florida where I lived and were slowly changing it. Some places such as the place I was raised and the Appalachian people have a rich history that dates back hundreds of years. We take pride in it. If you want to be a part of it fine, if you want to change it go back to where you came from.

SMOKERS HAVE RIGHTS TO wrote:

<quoted text>WELL FROM WHAT I HAVE READ MOST OF WHAT YOU WANT IS IN FL. SO WHY DON'T YOU MOVE THERE.

I know him well wrote:

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Since the discussion here has left the topic of smoking and health issues and doesn't look like it's coming back, I'm giving myself permission to pursue this new topic.
"TN Forever", I think it's safe to say that the folks arriving here nowadays are coming for the same reasons that early Europeans and, before them, Indians came here: it's real purty and the weather ain't bad. Additional reasons include low population density, low(er) cost of living, low taxes. None of the newbies I've spoken with moved here for the old-timers' ways, their "rich" history, or their pride in that "rich" history. Any more than the old-timers' ancestors moved here to enjoy the Indians' ways, "rich" history, and pride in that history.
We all liked SOME things about our former homes; otherwise we wouldn't have continued living there in the first place. It should be obvious that we have no desire to change this area to reflect the BAD things about our former homes. It should be equally obvious that we'd like to incorporate the GOOD things about our former homes.
The essential point is this: just like the Indians, just like the Europeans, just like the old-timers, the newbies want to make things the way THEY like it. The "natives" can enjoy the changes, resist (and even temporarily thwart) the changes, ignore the changes, move to somewhere more to their liking. The immutable fact is that we immigrants, just like those who came before us, will gradually come to dominate the institutions that control "how things are".
I like the idea of "natives" and newbies together addressing specific changes and finding ways to minimize the negative effects of those changes. Neither "side" likes trash, rising taxes, crime, or pollution.
But I'm pretty sure there are some conflicts of fundamental values that can be resolved only by having some winners and some losers. Whose values end up taking precedence will, probably, be settled in the electoral arena and its associated governmental arena.
For a simple example, there appears to be a fundamental values conflict between those who believe their dogs should be able to run free and those who don't want other people's dogs pooping in their yards, menacing their pets, and causing gore, panic or car wrecks by running into the road. When that conflict comes to a head, someone is going to lose. If it's the "natives" who lose, then some of them are going to start getting fined and perhaps even jailed when they fail to control their pets.
Some changes are a paradox of sorts. Nobody really wants them, but they're inevitable. Take crowding for instance. Old-timers like their isolation. Newbies move here because we like the isolation. But when lots of other people move here for the isolation, it gets crowded and the isolation disappears. Then the next wave of newbies moves here NOT because they enjoy isolation, but because they like a small city atmosphere. The previous wave of newbies, who by then consider themselves old-timers, grumble about how "their" peaceful small town has been turned into a congested, Boone-like hellhole.
And the escalating cycle goes on and on.

I know him well wrote:

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Since the discussion here has left the topic of smoking and health issues and doesn't look like it's coming back, I'm giving myself permission to pursue this new topic.
"TN Forever", I think it's safe to say that the folks arriving here nowadays are coming for the same reasons that early Europeans and, before them, Indians came here: it's real purty and the weather ain't bad. Additional reasons include low population density, low(er) cost of living, low taxes. None of the newbies I've spoken with moved here for the old-timers' ways, their "rich" history, or their pride in that "rich" history. Any more than the old-timers' ancestors moved here to enjoy the Indians' ways, "rich" history, and pride in that history.
We all liked SOME things about our former homes; otherwise we wouldn't have continued living there in the first place. It should be obvious that we have no desire to change this area to reflect the BAD things about our former homes. It should be equally obvious that we'd like to incorporate the GOOD things about our former homes.
The essential point is this: just like the Indians, just like the Europeans, just like the old-timers, the newbies want to make things the way THEY like it. The "natives" can enjoy the changes, resist (and even temporarily thwart) the changes, ignore the changes, move to somewhere more to their liking. The immutable fact is that we immigrants, just like those who came before us, will gradually come to dominate the institutions that control "how things are".
I like the idea of "natives" and newbies together addressing specific changes and finding ways to minimize the negative effects of those changes. Neither "side" likes trash, rising taxes, crime, or pollution.
But I'm pretty sure there are some conflicts of fundamental values that can be resolved only by having some winners and some losers. Whose values end up taking precedence will, probably, be settled in the electoral arena and its associated governmental arena.
For a simple example, there appears to be a fundamental values conflict between those who believe their dogs should be able to run free and those who don't want other people's dogs pooping in their yards, menacing their pets, and causing gore, panic or car wrecks by running into the road. When that conflict comes to a head, someone is going to lose. If it's the "natives" who lose, then some of them are going to start getting fined and perhaps even jailed when they fail to control their pets.
Some changes are a paradox of sorts. Nobody really wants them, but they're inevitable. Take crowding for instance. Old-timers like their isolation. Newbies move here because we like the isolation. But when lots of other people move here for the isolation, it gets crowded and the isolation disappears. Then the next wave of newbies moves here NOT because they enjoy isolation, but because they like a small city atmosphere. The previous wave of newbies, who by then consider themselves old-timers, grumble about how "their" peaceful small town has been turned into a congested, Boone-like hellhole.
And the escalating cycle goes on and on.

TN Forever wrote:

If you come here to assimilate then the people here will welcome you no matter where you come from, but if you come here to try and make Tennessee like Florida or any other state then I don't think I'd like that too much. I listen closely and have learned their ways and personally I like their ways very much. Some places such as the place I was raised and the Appalachian people have a rich history that dates back hundreds of years. We take pride in it. If you want to be a part of it fine, if you want to change it go back to where you came from.

Bobbypro wrote:

Get out of my life. I moved here from Connecticut for this reason. It's all the same rhetoric that you a-holes throw arond that makes ME sick.