Common questions about the Engle Trust Fund

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Gator Girl wrote:

HEY EVERYONE....I WANTED YOU TO SEE THIS PICTURE. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU ARE CHRISTIAN, JEW, MUSLIM, BUDDIST, OR AN ATHEIST. This picture is about America and what she was founded on. Follow the instructions and you will be amazed.
Subject: Great picture you must see
http://www.mcnaughtonart.com/artwork/view_zoo...
Scroll over each section of the painting to reveal who each person is or symbolizes. Beautiful!
Enjoy

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flgma wrote:

<quoted text>Thank You, for posting this! It is absolutely beautiful and does contain so much meaning!!!! Judith

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Myamia wrote:

Mrs. B,,,,,, How is BRE doing? Hope all is well.
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Al, you will be missed. I hope you have a great time with Your Family.
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BAH wrote:

This may be of interest to some ...
Forunately or unfortunately, I see several doctors in addition to my primary care physician. All are specialists eminently qualified in their respective fields.
I have now had an opportunity to discuss government health care/ Obama care with each one of them. The last of mys pecialists whom I saw I saw this very morning.
WITHOUT EXCEPTION they admanantly oppose Obama Care or any government health option/ "the public option". They are extremely upset about it. The doctor I saw this AM assures me that he will retire ,if and when, government run health care takes effect. He figures even if they pass something today it will take a few years to be put into place. He will continue to practice in the interim and has advised his family that he will quit working if govt run health care becomes reality.
I asked him why the AMA was endorsing Obama Care when NOT ONE of the doctors that I personally know (including my own father) is for govt run health care. He said that the AMA does not speak for him and that he quit belonging to that organization long ago. He said that relatively few doctors actually belonged to the AMA in terms of percentages. He said they had become a hollow mouth piece and a bunch of whore dog lobbyists with a different agenda than to serve working physicians.
This brought to 100% across the board, the number of my own treating physicians who oppose govt intrusion into health care.
I realize that my poll is less than scientific but I believe that it is representative of the general sentiment prevailing in the medical community- at least im my area. Each one of these folks is considered the "tops" in my area of FL. They have all been in practice for a minimum of twenty years.
I find this very interesting that the govt and Obama are telling me one thing and my doctors are telling me quite another.(I trust my doctors.)

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Mell wrote:

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Any doctor that thinks the current health care system we have is wonderful must be taking more than his share of the happy meds he prescribes. These all knowing doctors must just love the insurance companies that they have to deal with. All my doctors recognize that changes must be made to the current system to assure that business and consumers can afford the health programs they get. Your conservative answers are all insurance company oriented.
You had power the last 8 years and did nothing.
Obama will certainly get some changes passed that will begin to make our health care system more favorable for those that receive care (employers too).

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Mell wrote:

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Any doctor that thinks the current health care system we have is wonderful must be taking more than his share of the happy meds he prescribes. These all knowing doctors must just love the insurance companies that they have to deal with. All my doctors recognize that changes must be made to the current system to assure that business and consumers can afford the health programs they get. Your conservative answers are all insurance company oriented.
You had power the last 8 years and did nothing.
Obama will certainly get some changes passed that will begin to make our health care system more favorable for those that receive care (employers too).

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BAH wrote:

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Oh, and please let me know what flavor kool-aid you are drinking. I am sure gonna have to get me some if this deal goes down and we get railroaded.

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Mell wrote:

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You conservatives are amazing. You refuse to see anything right about our proposed new GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE. Anything run by the govt. is horrible, according to you. How about our military that you proudly claim as your own? Gee it's run by the govt. of the US. How about Medicare? Everyone on it loves it. It too is run by the govt. of the US.
In terms of our US military, I'm sure you are proud of the long military service of Dick Cheney, Rush Limbrain, Parrot Hanitty, and Brain dead patriot Beck. NOT. None of your beloved spokesmen ever served. I did. Cheney was too busy with school and his three deferments. Limbrain had a persistent boil on his butt. The two others ran like rats from the military recruiters. Beck was to busy mourning the suicide deaths of his mother and brother.
The conservative values of a strong military, hard work and self reliance are fine with me. However you took the politcal power you had and ruined your image. That's why you were thrown out in the 2008 election. You started unnecessay war, you failed to regulate Wall Street and the Banks, and you allowed the rich to become more so, while the middle class lost most of their retirement.
How can you now think you have the right to criticize what Washington is trying to do in cleaning up your mess? Just go away in shame.

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Mell wrote:

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You conservatives are amazing. You refuse to see anything right about our proposed new GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE. Anything run by the govt. is horrible, according to you. How about our military that you proudly claim as your own? Gee it's run by the govt. of the US. How about Medicare? Everyone on it loves it. It too is run by the govt. of the US.
In terms of our US military, I'm sure you are proud of the long military service of Dick Cheney, Rush Limbrain, Parrot Hanitty, and Brain dead patriot Beck. NOT. None of your beloved spokesmen ever served. I did. Cheney was too busy with school and his three deferments. Limbrain had a persistent boil on his butt. The two others ran like rats from the military recruiters. Beck was to busy mourning the suicide deaths of his mother and brother.
The conservative values of a strong military, hard work and self reliance are fine with me. However you took the politcal power you had and ruined your image. That's why you were thrown out in the 2008 election. You started unnecessay war, you failed to regulate Wall Street and the Banks, and you allowed the rich to become more so, while the middle class lost most of their retirement.
How can you now think you have the right to criticize what Washington is trying to do in cleaning up your mess? Just go away in shame.

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BAH wrote:

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Here is a fact:
Medicare is a mess. Please do some research before you indelibly brand yourself as completely ignorant. It would not require much of your time. You can do it ( ie become informed and aware) right from where you sit. Medicare is poorly run, shoddily administered, fraught with waste and abuse, riddled with criminal activity, and last but not least- it is bankrupt. It is collapsing in upon itself. It is also causing qualified people who might otherwise elect to become doctors to consider other professions. Medical professionals disdain it and they laugh about it. Talk about red tape and paperwork. Talk about inefficiency. Talk about poor benefits. If MEDICARE is your model government program you, quite simply and quite clearly, DO NOT UNDERSTAND much about medicare.
What people like you tend to like about medicare is that they see it as FREE. Which it is not.
Are you aware of how many doctors now simply refuse to accept medicare assignment? They won't even file it for you. YOU have to do it. They are sick and tired of the mess. The doctors have gone to a system where they treat you, you pay them yourself directly, and then YOU deal with the govt to get your money back. They wised up a long time ago.
Please, before you open your moth in this way again, please do some research.
People love anything they think of as "FREE". That is the key to the love of medicare.(This was the key to the Obama election, BTW.)Yet, it is broke. Completely broke. If you ran your household the way the govt runs medicare you would be on the street and homeless.
Ask your doctor next time you see him/her what he REALLY thinks of medicare. Maybe you don't care very much what the guy who is treating you thinks of working for a master he doesn't like very much.

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Mell wrote:

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You conservatives are amazing. You refuse to see anything right about our proposed new GOVERNMENT HEALTH CARE. Anything run by the govt. is horrible, according to you. How about our military that you proudly claim as your own? Gee it's run by the govt. of the US. How about Medicare? Everyone on it loves it. It too is run by the govt. of the US.
In terms of our US military, I'm sure you are proud of the long military service of Dick Cheney, Rush Limbrain, Parrot Hanitty, and Brain dead patriot Beck. NOT. None of your beloved spokesmen ever served. I did. Cheney was too busy with school and his three deferments. Limbrain had a persistent boil on his butt. The two others ran like rats from the military recruiters. Beck was to busy mourning the suicide deaths of his mother and brother.
The conservative values of a strong military, hard work and self reliance are fine with me. However you took the politcal power you had and ruined your image. That's why you were thrown out in the 2008 election. You started unnecessay war, you failed to regulate Wall Street and the Banks, and you allowed the rich to become more so, while the middle class lost most of their retirement.
How can you now think you have the right to criticize what Washington is trying to do in cleaning up your mess? Just go away in shame.

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Lewis wrote:

<quoted text>I don't think Medicare is free. I paid mandatory contributions into it for 43 years from it's inception in 1965 to July of 2008 when I hit 65 and became eligible for benefits. Accordingly, for millions of people like me, it's the only practicable game in town, unless they want to pay all my 43 year's worth of contributions with compound interest back to me. That option would be acceptable to me in a New York second. As always, I enjoy your well-written posts, BAH

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BAH wrote:

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Thanks, Lewis. It is a pleasure to hear from you again. And, your rejoinder is one that I anticipated from those who have LONG paid into the system. It is similar to the rude awakening some of us "younger" taxpayers fear may occur with Social Security. Paying into that system against our wills for decades only to perhaps receive little or nothing in return. It is indeed, as you point out, a catch 22. You paid in all these year, as did I, and many others. Now, what can we reasonably expect in return? This is an open question with an answer that can not be readily ascertained.
One thing is certain. The current level of medicare benefit CAN NOT be and is not sustainable. Reductions in benfit levels is one solution. Increases in premiums is another. There are many others being bandied about.
Folks who did not pay into medicare will have no entitlement to MEDICARE benefits of any kind. That is a given. There are other govt programs ie "entitlement" programs for these folks. Tax payers like you make these entitlement programs possible.
My husband recently turned 65. The "major relief" I anticipated when he reached medicare age has not materialized. Between his various medicare premiums and his supplemental coverage the savings is not all that significant. Medicare coverage, without a supplement, is not great coverage.
We know that in our society medicare (and the senior voting block)is sacrosanct. It will be interesting to see what Peter is robbed to pay Paul going forward. No promises as to the safe keeping or investment of funds paid into the Soc Sec or medicare systems have ever been kept- by either party. Demographics have assisted in a lot of hocus pocus in the past. The fact that we aging baby boomers will vastly outnumber wage earners going forward is problematic. Changes will be necessary and changes will be made. From an economic standpoint, they must be made. They will not be popular among affected senior citizens in my opinion.
My major point is that my informal polling reveals that doctors do not support govt control of health care. 65-70 percent of doctors do not belong to the AMA. Thus, I conclude that doctors do not, in general, support the AMA b/c they perceive that it does not serve their best interests. I further conclude that the news that the AMA supports Obama care is not very significant. The AMA is as helpful as the AARP has been. Not very. Good doctors in my area don't want government control of health care and they do not favor a public option.