Methadone clinic could cause problems

I just sit here and wrote for about thrity min and they woun't post what I wrote.Anyway I said that my cousin O/D becouse he was afraid to have to detox in jail.I never said he O/D in jail.Do you go over someone's post and then pick and choise what you want it to say?I even had my mother post on here to try to get you to belive me but they won't post that either.What do you want me to do to prove to you that I was on MMT?The only reson I even care is becouse I don't think you believe anyone can get off and away From the clinic.Also Methadone has been around sense world war 2 if it was a mirical drug why do we have as many addicts today as we have ever had.
I just really hope that someday you will try and get out of MMT and see the other side by that I mean being drug free.Why not try go to detox get on SUbtex then get sober.You have alot to gain and very little to lose!!!

SOUTHERN HOSTILITY wrote:

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I agree w/Mug's 1st statement here.Methadone should be used short-term and in low doseage for people seeking opiate/addiction escape,not to maintain long term dependency maintenance.Some of you are misreading or seeking to create conflict with my own,first hand personal experiences with Methadone for over a 6 yr.period.I made clear it was only euphoric in ever-increasing doses or when combined with other drugs/substances.I too had a friend like a brother for over 30 yrs. die aided by the combining of high dose Methadone and literally handfuls of Benzos(Xanax in this case)for about a 2-3 yr.period.Methadone should be intended for use in addition to drug dependency awareness education,NA treatment,or some other form of education.My personal belief is if you're not will to educate yourself or take some kind of steps other than just Methadone intake period,you're not at all serious about doing whatever it may take to acquire sobriety.Seeing that's the case,you should not be allowed Methadone maintenance for any period of time in lieu of allowing someone else that is serious about achieving sobriety go without the help because you just want the drug for whatever reasons.

now we are getting somewhere you have the right Idea!!

Alright (HEY)IF you would really this time read the above post real slowly maybe even read it twice,ok three times I said that I had a family member O/D Becouse he was afraid (to) are (of) the W/D off of Methadone in jail.Basicaly to but it to you so you might be able to undrestand he was afraid that he would have to go through W/D in the jail becouse of the Methadone.
Alright It took me a whole half a page to explain it to you.Should I write real slow and make sure that you don't have to take every single word I say to understand you are a baset case!!!Do you not read someones whole post our do you just pick and choise what you want it to say?I'd say that I would have to go over every single word and make sure that you can understand what I'm trying to say.Also today I had my own mother get on here and explain to you that I was in a Methadone clinic and how bad I was.Plus the Diff she see's In me now that I'm not on Methadone and in a clinic If you really want just tell me what you would like for me too do so that you might understand That I was and have been in and on MMT.The reson that I even care is becouse I really don't think that you believe that someone could get away from the clinic and get sober.I total understand I never met anyone that ever got out of MMT.Detox and became sober either becouse it hardly every happens.Methadone has been around sense war world 2 If It was a miracal drug as you say why are there as many addicts today as there ever has been and why wouldn't everyone that is a addict be cured by now?The reson is that MMT dosen't work all it dose is keep the addict from running out of drug's so the addict and the reson behind there useing never is delt with.
I know that in you're heart's to heart's really believe that MMT is the cure and at least you did get a little bit honest when you said(I only got sleepy or high for the first few month's)Instead of saying that you never ever ever got even a little bit high off of Methadone.Keep it up and we might get you to tell the truth after all.I come off as a a**hole but really I just would like for you to know how bad MMT is and how hard it is to get off of I don't really won't to hurt you I just want you to now the truth.You could try to lower you're dose and maybe go to detox and get on Subutex and then get sober.What would it hurt if you don't like being drug free you could alway's go back to MMT.THey will alway's be there waiting for a addict any addict that they can lie to and make money off of.They will always be there.why not at least give it a try.You have alot to gain and a little to lose!!!

oh yea now they post it.Thank's Topix!!!I really mean it

noname wrote:

Hey wanting some one to be a addict dose that sound like someone that's sober?Magwah
I thought you were here just for Info not name calling?Debrinconicta wanting people dead?Hey I think that you are the one lieing no addict useing or not would want someone to be a addict.Magwah I had a little recpect for you not now all you do is talk down to people and call them names.Do you know what all of these people have in common?They are either addicted to Methadone and are high our they own a clinic our work for one.They have there own intest at heart not our's. Are there anyone out there that isn't going to lie call names and are from Somerset Ky.Treat a drug addict with drug's.Dose that make any sense?Give them the same drug's that are killing them.If you want treatment call UNITE they do treatment long term a year are more .But they aren't going to keep giving drug addicts Drug's.They are recovering addict's out there go to N/A and you'll find alot.The Methadone clinics had nothing to do with anyone of them geting and staying sober.The Methadone clinics don't help anyone to get sober just keeping the drug addict from running out of drug's is all they do nothing eles!!!GOOD LUCK EVERY ONE!!!

what you call name calling, i call giving back whats owed. we all say 'what goes around comes around' right? well, i happen to be as human as anyone else on this thread and if i think someone is being an a^^hole, i am going to tell them i think they are being an a^^hole.
as far as wanting someone to be an addict, your right, no one want that including me. and yes, technicly people become addicted to methadone but you cant compare the quality of life of someone on methadone to that of someone using heroin. they are two very different things, and you know it. when your using heroin, that is your life. you wake up and your first thought is how are you going to get you next fix and that usually involves rippin someone off, even family and friends and you know this too. and when you get your hit you don't know how good it is or what other crap they've stepped on it with and all you want is some place to do it up and you don't much care where and you don't really pay attentioon to who's needle you use if you don't have your own, do you? and you know what, the next morniing when you wake up your life is the same old shit.
someone on methadone at a clinic lives a very different life. they know when and where their dose is comming from. they know it's pure and it's free so they don't have to rip off their friends. where i come from the methadone is given out in liquid form so the instences of diversion are significantly reduced, the though of sharing whatever else comes up with the methadone usually turns people right off. now here are two points we differ on; people are started on a high dose and stabelized on that dose. after a number of weeks, the dose is gradualy decreased until a maintenence does is found. that is the least amount of methadone needed to not allow withdrawl but to allow the individual to function normally. there is no high on a proper dose of methadone. second, methadone does not work all by itself. there has to be support services set up around the methadone to make sure the individual has the best chance to have a normal life. they will have a family doctor, they will attend individual and group counseling and they will have an individual case worker who will help them with the day to day issues likle securing an income, finding an apartment and a job. the worker is available to the individual for a period of at least one year or longer if need be. i'm going to try to send this now but i will write more if needed.

Noname wrote:

oh yea now they post it.Thank's Topix!!!I really mean it

our clients also receive their methadone in jail. pretty cool, huh? any other questions, or comments. i hope i answered your questions fairly. let me know.

mugwah wrote:

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our clients also receive their methadone in jail. pretty cool, huh? any other questions, or comments. i hope i answered your questions fairly. let me know.

You're answers are watered down horse shat IMO it's somewhat legalized H/A , bee sober -

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mugwah wrote:

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what you call name calling, i call giving back whats owed. we all say 'what goes around comes around' right? well, i happen to be as human as anyone else on this thread and if i think someone is being an a^^hole, i am going to tell them i think they are being an a^^hole.
as far as wanting someone to be an addict, your right, no one want that including me. and yes, technicly people become addicted to methadone but you cant compare the quality of life of someone on methadone to that of someone using heroin. they are two very different things, and you know it. when your using heroin, that is your life. you wake up and your first thought is how are you going to get you next fix and that usually involves rippin someone off, even family and friends and you know this too. and when you get your hit you don't know how good it is or what other crap they've stepped on it with and all you want is some place to do it up and you don't much care where and you don't really pay attentioon to who's needle you use if you don't have your own, do you? and you know what, the next morniing when you wake up your life is the same old shit.
someone on methadone at a clinic lives a very different life. they know when and where their dose is comming from. they know it's pure and it's free so they don't have to rip off their friends. where i come from the methadone is given out in liquid form so the instences of diversion are significantly reduced, the though of sharing whatever else comes up with the methadone usually turns people right off. now here are two points we differ on; people are started on a high dose and stabelized on that dose. after a number of weeks, the dose is gradualy decreased until a maintenence does is found. that is the least amount of methadone needed to not allow withdrawl but to allow the individual to function normally. there is no high on a proper dose of methadone. second, methadone does not work all by itself. there has to be support services set up around the methadone to make sure the individual has the best chance to have a normal life. they will have a family doctor, they will attend individual and group counseling and they will have an individual case worker who will help them with the day to day issues likle securing an income, finding an apartment and a job. the worker is available to the individual for a period of at least one year or longer if need be. i'm going to try to send this now but i will write more if needed.

So what you are saying is: its not the actual drug one takes that does the harm, its the probition of said drug that is the causal factor in the negative affects. I too believe it is the illegality of recreational drugs that causes the negative social effects i.e 'kills' one. If we continue to claim individual deficits as the problem we will continue to ignore the structural conditions that allows the 'hell' to thrive in families, communities and society.

around here they dont give methadone in jail, i have spoken to several addicts who use methadone clinics they take the liquid spit it thru a straw into a cup and resale it also i was told all it takes to increase the dosage is to tell them its not enough they are still craving the drugs so it dont work they are still gettin high off it only instead of local drug dealer getting rich its the drug companies and the owners of the clinics, most claim it is the best high they ever had

Knowitall9 wrote:

Anybody ever wresteled in animated in "female dumpton o

your not doing very well are you? you might want to lay down for a bit, eh?

take the methadone for year and try to get off it is hard to get off of them my son put me through hell and he almost die and see who will help you get off of them .you half to go out of town to get off and get help i thank god my son is doing better he is off of them but he half to go out of town to do iti pray that know one will take the drug and get hook on them i wish i can tell you more but i done think topix will let me i can tell you things you want believe what i went through plesae think it over(mother)

nnayarm wrote:

<quoted text> So what you are saying is: its not the actual drug one takes that does the harm, its the probition of said drug that is the causal factor in the negative affects. I too believe it is the illegality of recreational drugs that causes the negative social effects i.e 'kills' one. If we continue to claim individual deficits as the problem we will continue to ignore the structural conditions that allows the 'hell' to thrive in families, communities and society.

actually, yes. i believe the should script heroin. will it happen in our lifetime, well there are some interesting studies comming out of england and parts of eurpope that are very promising, so it's possible.

and there is also vancouvers successful trial of a safe injection site closer to home as well. so yes i think that is the direction we are heading in.

druggies wrote:

around here they dont give methadone in jail, i have spoken to several addicts who use methadone clinics they take the liquid spit it thru a straw into a cup and resale it also i was told all it takes to increase the dosage is to tell them its not enough they are still craving the drugs so it dont work they are still gettin high off it only instead of local drug dealer getting rich its the drug companies and the owners of the clinics, most claim it is the best high they ever had

like i've said before, if you want to get high, go ahead. just don't waste a space on a treatment program. cause your f^^kin over somebody who might adctually want to quit.

if they wanted to quit they could without the methadone, its not quiting its trading one drug for another

druggies wrote:

people choose to become addicts, they cannot deal with lifes little ups and downs without the help of feel good drugs be it oxy's or methadone until they fix what makes them afraid to function without the drugs they will never get off them. ive taken pain pills prescibed by doctors i didnt get addicted is it because im stronger than they are? or is it because i chose not to

Who's wants to be addicted. There's thousands of people dealing with addiction. You should be grateful, not spiteful? It serves no purpose at all,it doesn't do anything for anyone at all.Maybe your one of the fortunate one's, but would you be on this site today, saying this,I think NOT!! You wouldn't be using hate to get by in life. I don't think I am, I know I am, But I don't say it constantly, trying to put you down do I? Pray you don't have to suffer like others, cause something else will be your downfall, your not perfect, nobody is, God is and your not HIM!Bless all the addicts trying to better their lives, as for the people putting others down, you should think about what your saying and stop wasting our time.

mugwah wrote:

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like i've said before, if you want to get high, go ahead. just don't waste a space on a treatment program. cause your f^^kin over somebody who might adctually want to quit.

If they are so high, why are they selling it? Think,just think of what your saying!If it's the best high and everyone can get all that they want. Why would anyone buy drugs in this world. JUST Think??? Now do you really believe this now? I didn't think so, it gets them so high, better than drugs, and they spit it out and sell it. To buy drugs, I WONDER WHY?? Do you, I don't because it's not True, OKAY!!

druggies wrote:

if they wanted to quit they could without the methadone, its not quiting its trading one drug for another

you don't have the right to make that decision for someone else, how do you know what someone else might need to quit using? if someone can quit without methadone, great! i support them in doin that. but if someone needs methadone i want to make sure it is there for them when they need it. and i'm really gettin tierd of all these storys about how so-and-so diverted their methadone! so what! of course people are going to screw with the system, do you actually believe you are giving me new information? but again, if you run a good program and have a good relationship with the folks that are still usin in the area, diversion become a very small problem.

mugwah wrote:

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you don't have the right to make that decision for someone else, how do you know what someone else might need to quit using? if someone can quit without methadone, great! i support them in doin that. but if someone needs methadone i want to make sure it is there for them when they need it. and i'm really gettin tierd of all these storys about how so-and-so diverted their methadone! so what! of course people are going to screw with the system, do you actually believe you are giving me new information? but again, if you run a good program and have a good relationship with the folks that are still usin in the area, diversion become a very small problem.

Some, such as this druggies poster have no clue as to what they are talking about. It just seems that they want an argument.