Does govt have a right to create a gun control law ?

Vivatejas wrote:

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A nuclear bomb like any bomb is a destructive device and not an arm. Yes, I can load up my car with all my guns and take an arsenol pretty much anywhere, how do you think gun owners move. Yes, you can take an "arsenal" on an airplane but you have to do a special check in. Citizens can own machine guns and tanks and artillery already. 711 can sell guns if they follow the law and a minor won't be able to buy one, we restrict the civil rights of minors already. None of your fears are based on reality.

ElToroDesperation wrote:

I voted yes, because the governemnt is the people. I voted yes, based on how you asked the question. As it is written, "WE THE PEOPLE". Therefore if the people of the United states want gun control, and the law is within the guidlines of the US constitution, then so be it.
That being said, personally I do not support any gun control laws. The reason I say that, is because the only people who suffer from tough gun laws are the law abiding citizens. The criminals will carry guns regardless of any law, therefore making them outlaws with weapons. However a law abiding citizen will honor the various gun restrictions, and get shot by a criminal, without any chance to defend his or herself. When guns are restricted, so is one's protection. As they always say, the cops are always two minutes too late.
If you want to get tough on guns, then get tough on the criminals who use guns in crimes. Make stiffer penalties for criminals. Make a person think twice before purchasing or selling illegal fire arms. If you make illegal guns, or crimes where guns are used a captiol offense, then gun violence and gun crimes wil drop considerably, if not overnight.
However, do not target law abiding citizens, with these binding restrictions, that will surely put all of our lives at risk.
Keep in mind, those who have power to make laws in the legislative branch, and those in the executive branch, as well as members of the house, all have their own personal security for life. Quess who don't? YOU & I.

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ElToroDesperation wrote:

I voted yes, because the governemnt is the people. I voted yes, based on how you asked the question. As it is written, "WE THE PEOPLE". Therefore if the people of the United states want gun control, and the law is within the guidlines of the US constitution, then so be it.
That being said, personally I do not support any gun control laws. The reason I say that, is because the only people who suffer from tough gun laws are the law abiding citizens. The criminals will carry guns regardless of any law, therefore making them outlaws with weapons. However a law abiding citizen will honor the various gun restrictions, and get shot by a criminal, without any chance to defend his or herself. When guns are restricted, so is one's protection. As they always say, the cops are always two minutes too late.
If you want to get tough on guns, then get tough on the criminals who use guns in crimes. Make stiffer penalties for criminals. Make a person think twice before purchasing or selling illegal fire arms. If you make illegal guns, or crimes where guns are used a captiol offense, then gun violence and gun crimes wil drop considerably, if not overnight.
However, do not target law abiding citizens, with these binding restrictions, that will surely put all of our lives at risk.
Keep in mind, those who have power to make laws in the legislative branch, and those in the executive branch, as well as members of the house, all have their own personal security for life. Quess who don't? YOU & I.

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ElToroDesperation wrote:

I voted yes, because the governemnt is the people. I voted yes, based on how you asked the question. As it is written, "WE THE PEOPLE". Therefore if the people of the United states want gun control, and the law is within the guidlines of the US constitution, then so be it.
That being said, personally I do not support any gun control laws. The reason I say that, is because the only people who suffer from tough gun laws are the law abiding citizens. The criminals will carry guns regardless of any law, therefore making them outlaws with weapons. However a law abiding citizen will honor the various gun restrictions, and get shot by a criminal, without any chance to defend his or herself. When guns are restricted, so is one's protection. As they always say, the cops are always two minutes too late.
If you want to get tough on guns, then get tough on the criminals who use guns in crimes. Make stiffer penalties for criminals. Make a person think twice before purchasing or selling illegal fire arms. If you make illegal guns, or crimes where guns are used a captiol offense, then gun violence and gun crimes wil drop considerably, if not overnight.
However, do not target law abiding citizens, with these binding restrictions, that will surely put all of our lives at risk.
Keep in mind, those who have power to make laws in the legislative branch, and those in the executive branch, as well as members of the house, all have their own personal security for life. Quess who don't? YOU & I.

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Yankee Yahoo wrote:

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The government is not the people.
The government is an institution of the people, like waste management, the police, fire department, unions, corporations, etc. It's just another entity that the people establish to get things done. It serves, it is not part of, society. Governments, like corporations, unions, police, and waste management, must be STRICTLY CONTROLLED AND REGULATED AT ALL TIMES. Society, on the other hand, does not, and to be moral an good, must choose to be so, it cannot be forced.
Besides that, it sounds like we agree.

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ZigmunnDroid wrote:

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We the people also voted to make black people drink out of the black fountain, or sit in the back of the bus.
I guess you had no problem with THAT will of the people.
"The People" have no authority to infringe anyone's rights.
Republican hell, you're a commie.
And you can tell them when they say, I support the 2nd Amendment but! And "we just need "common sense" gun control laws.
A bigot says "I support Civil Rights but"!
Maybe you're just an ignorant bigot.

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ElToroDesperation wrote:

<quoted text>No sir, that is where I disagree. The government is the people, for the people, and by the people. No agency or any form of government is above the people. The day that you believe you no lomger have a hand in government, is the day that you give way to tyrants. WE THE PEOPLE rule this country, and we always have, since declaring our freedom from the British crown. We are a free independant nation of democracy. There are no rogue entities operating outside of the people.
As far as your analogy of entities being regulated, there are agencies that are set up to police other agencies as according to the law. Keep in mind, no man is above the law. This is your country, and your voice is heard when you vote. You are the government.

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ElToroDesperation wrote:

<quoted text>Yes the people did vote to enforce such laws prior to the civil rights struggle. But we Americans have the right of free speech, and the right to peaceful assembly and protest as protected by the US constitution. I was not alive when blacks could not drink from the same water fountain as whites, but I imagine that I would have taken DR MLK's approach to the matter. Due to this freedom of speech, the people where able to see the eror of their ways, and the jim crow laws were struck down all across the south.
Liking a law, and respecting the law, as well as acknowledging the fact that the people have spoken is not one and the same. I do not like every law that exist today, but I respect them all. If not, then our idea of a free country will not last. I trust in the system and this great government by the people. Yes wrongs were done in the past, but respect for the law won the day for us as blacks during the civil rights struggle.
It was labeled by MLK as passive resistance.
Sorry son, I'm a full blood REPUBLICAN. It was the Repulican party that freed the slaves !

Yankee Yahoo wrote:

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That is all true, except that does not make the INSTITUTION of government the people. It may be composed of people, but they have obligations to serve and obey the law. This is from the Declaration of Independence as well, that all governments are INSTITUTED amongst men.
What has been forgotten is the institution part. The people are above all institutions that serve it, not ever equal to it. If you say government IS the people, you are not separating the institution from the people. Society may be self-governing in many ways, if that is what you mean. Society can handle many aspects without government, such as economic affairs. Government has a very limited role, and though very important, is also easily replaced and re-instituted by the people.
Once that is forgotten, then you have tyranny, and a government that thinks it is above the people, or part of the people, because the people believe this to be so.

ZigmunnDroid wrote:

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Good for you. I do remember the signs. I could not imagine how it felt to tell your young black son he could not drink out of the white fountain.
I also like laws, and obey them as often as possible.
However, I also work hard to get rid of bad laws, and work hard to prevent bad laws.
Gun control laws are all bad. They do nothing but interfere with the law abiding. Gun control laws only effect the exercise of a right. They have nothing to do with misbehavior.
It is like saying blacks have the right to vote, but only after they have passed a test, gotten a permit, and they can only vote in certain booths, and if the voting takes place in certain areas, you are not allowed.
I like laws that only address misbehavior.
Why should someone elses misbehavior have anything to do with regulating you?

ElToroDesperation wrote:

<quoted text>You must not have read my original posts. I stated that I do not support gun control laws. Obama wanted to enact gun control laws, that is why I did not vote for him in 2008.
I stated that gun restrictions only hurt law abiding citizens. The criminals will carry guns regardless of what the law may be. Therefore you and I both agree on that. Neither you nor I support gun control laws. You must have mis read my original post on this thread.
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That being said, personally I do not support any gun control laws. The reason I say that, is because the only people who suffer from tough gun laws are the law abiding citizens. The criminals will carry guns regardless of any law, therefore making them outlaws with weapons. However a law abiding citizen will honor the various gun restrictions, and get shot by a criminal, without any chance to defend his or herself. When guns are restricted, so is one's protection. As they always say, the cops are always two minutes too late. If you want to get tough on guns, then get tough on the criminals who use guns in crimes. Make stiffer penalties for criminals. Make a person think twice before purchasing or selling illegal fire arms. If you make illegal guns, or crimes where guns are used a captiol offense, then gun violence and gun crimes wil drop considerably, if not overnight. However, do not target law abiding citizens, with these binding restrictions, that will surely put all of our lives at risk. Keep in mind, those who have power to make laws in the legislative branch, and those in the executive branch, as well as members of the house, all have their own personal security for life. Quess who don't? YOU & I.
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ZigmunnDroid wrote:

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My apologies.
Glad to have you on board.
I plead temporary stupidity.

ElToroDesperation wrote:

<quoted text>I read your profile. You and I have alot in common.

ZigmunnDroid wrote:

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Thanks. We all have a lot in common.
I am luckier than you though. I live in Western NC. Man, it is so nice around here. LA is also a cool place, but I would never live there.
I grew up in Fla and do not miss the heat.
Zig