Our rights depend on First Amendment

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Prove my point again thanks.

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Well obviously you don’t know what you are talking about. Even with the patriot act we still have far more privacy rights than the UK ever will. They still have to obtain a warrant to do any spying; the problem is it is easier for them to get a warrant. In the United States there has to be probable cause before you can search someone’s private possessions. In the UK the police can pat you down at random in the streets.You are nothing but an prisoner there. The UK has more surveillance cameras than any other country in the world. They are even worried about what you and your wife do in the bedroom. Is it true about the ban on kinky sex there?
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People get executed everyday in the UK. Rather than the police shooting criminals it is the criminals stabbing and shooting citizens and the police. Are you so retarded that you think that police being disarmed and rendered useless is a good thing? Ha what a joke! You can’t really be that ignorant can you? Well have fun in the UK prison system. Watch out for Bubba!
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It is much better. I would rather be shot with a tiny bullet than be stabbed to death or beaten to death by a group of thugs with baseball bats or chains. Everyone is going to hear the gunshot. Your attacker will have to flee after shooting you and the police and an ambulance will be on the way to save you. The thugs in the UK can keep beating you as long as they want and then walk away in the darkness as if nothing ever happened. In the United States this couldn’t happen. I am armed and can walk through any dark alley without fear of being mugged or killed by any large group of thugs. I have 17 rounds in the mag and 1 in the chamber. I can walk through any ghetto and adapt to any ghetto. Have no balls you say? Let’s see your chicken **** walk around the mean streets of the ghetto at night.

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Alex wrote:

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Nobody has proved your point you delusional f**king idiot.

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Ahh, insults and no facts, then last resort of someone who has already lost an argument but is to egocentric to admit it.

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FARII wrote:

<quoted text>We've been rough and tumble since our beginnings. Newsflash: we're not British anymore! We're free! Your Queen owns you! Half our gun deaths are suicide! Half of total deaths are'nt with firearms! We have 310,000,000 people! All our stats will look big to any Euro country! Brits are so cowardly and frightened that they give up liberty for the pretense of security and wind up with neither! Now, go smoke some of Amy Winehouse's stash and cheer up! Quit whining! We own America, you don't! GET OVER IT!!!

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You're proud of the fact that your murder rate is 3X that of the most violent place in Europe and you're proud of the fact that you need to carry a firearm to walk some places without fear of being killed.

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Post # 177 {The UK 'gun ban' or GunShow is a CHRONIC LIAR}
Via feedup
USA population compared to UK
300 million USA
60 million UK
Comparison of overall crime increase per million. The statistical population increase is proportional to the rise in crime.
60 Mil./300 mil x 5%+60% increase for illegal’s = approximant rate of increase of crime.
The average per million increase of population figures at 0.75 %.
Illegal insurgent increases at approximately 1.5% per million. Approximant 25 million.
82.5 = 60/300 X (0.75 X 300)+(25 X 1.5)
Gives you an 82.5% increase in crime.
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Post # 644 {Local Foundation files brief in 2nd Amendment case}
via GunShow
UK 'Gun Ban' TRUTH:
Ministers 'covered up' gun crime
"THE government was accused yesterday of covering up the full extent of the gun crime epidemic sweeping Britain, after official figures showed that gun-related killings and injuries had risen more than fourfold since 1998.
"The Home Office figures - which exclude crimes involving air weapons - show the number of deaths and injuries caused by gun attacks in England and Wales soared from 864 in 1998-99 to 3,821 in 2005-06. That means that more than 10 people are injured or killed in a gun attack every day...."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crim ...
BBC News: Gun crime rise bucks overall drop
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/lo ...
"Gun crime in London has risen by nearly 10%, according to new figures released by the Metropolitan Police."
"There were 1,825 gun-enabled crimes between April and September 2007, up 162 on the same period last year...."
Long-term national recorded crime trend:
http://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/Page ...
Crime & Victims:
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-victims/
"The way in which crime is recorded varies across jurisdictions and over time, so comparing crime rates between countries (and, sometimes, within a country) is not necessarily an accurate indicator of differences in actual levels of crime in those countries. Similarly, crime rate trend data in a single jurisdiction are not necessarily reflective of trends in actual levels of crime. Changes in rates of recorded crime may be the result of changes in the way crime data are collected, or changes in the proportion of victims reporting criminal offences to police. The figure below shows a dramatic increase in recorded violent crime in England and Wales between 1998 and the present...."
- Comparing international trends in recorded violent crime. Crime facts info, no. 115
ISSN 1445-7288 Canberra: Australian Institute of Criminology, 31 January 2006 (online only).
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/cfi/cfi115 ...
To See Where Gun Licensing Leads, Look To England
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
Why Britain needs more guns
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/265687 ...
Scotland tops list of world's most violent countries
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/blackstock6 .... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/arti ...
ALL THE WAY DOWN THE SLIPPERY SLOPE: GUN PROHIBITION IN ENGLAND AND SOME LESSONS FOR CIVIL LIBERTIES IN AMERICA
http://www.guncite.com/journals/okslip.html
The UK 'gun ban' HORROR
http://www.topix.com/forum/guns/T62G4O4J2J62R ...
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Post # 177 {The UK 'gun ban' or GunShow is a CHRONIC LIAR}
Via feedup
USA population compared to UK
300 million USA
60 million UK
Comparison of overall crime increase per million. The statistical population increase is proportional to the rise in crime.
60 Mil./300 mil x 5%+60% increase for illegal’s = approximant rate of increase of crime.
The average per million increase of population figures at 0.75 %.
Illegal insurgent increases at approximately 1.5% per million. Approximant 25 million.
82.5 = 60/300 X (0.75 X 300)+(25 X 1.5)
Gives you an 82.5% increase in crime.
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Post # 644 {Local Foundation files brief in 2nd Amendment case}
via GunShow
UK 'Gun Ban' TRUTH:
Ministers 'covered up' gun crime
"THE government was accused yesterday of covering up the full extent of the gun crime epidemic sweeping Britain, after official figures showed that gun-related killings and injuries had risen more than fourfold since 1998.
"The Home Office figures - which exclude crimes involving air weapons - show the number of deaths and injuries caused by gun attacks in England and Wales soared from 864 in 1998-99 to 3,821 in 2005-06. That means that more than 10 people are injured or killed in a gun attack every day...."
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crim ...
BBC News: Gun crime rise bucks overall drop
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/lo ...
"Gun crime in London has risen by nearly 10%, according to new figures released by the Metropolitan Police."
"There were 1,825 gun-enabled crimes between April and September 2007, up 162 on the same period last year...."
Long-term national recorded crime trend:
http://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/Page ...
Crime & Victims:
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/crime-victims/
"The way in which crime is recorded varies across jurisdictions and over time, so comparing crime rates between countries (and, sometimes, within a country) is not necessarily an accurate indicator of differences in actual levels of crime in those countries. Similarly, crime rate trend data in a single jurisdiction are not necessarily reflective of trends in actual levels of crime. Changes in rates of recorded crime may be the result of changes in the way crime data are collected, or changes in the proportion of victims reporting criminal offences to police. The figure below shows a dramatic increase in recorded violent crime in England and Wales between 1998 and the present...."
- Comparing international trends in recorded violent crime. Crime facts info, no. 115
ISSN 1445-7288 Canberra: Australian Institute of Criminology, 31 January 2006 (online only).
http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/cfi/cfi115 ...
To See Where Gun Licensing Leads, Look To England
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
Why Britain needs more guns
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/265687 ...
Scotland tops list of world's most violent countries
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/blackstock6 .... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/arti ...
ALL THE WAY DOWN THE SLIPPERY SLOPE: GUN PROHIBITION IN ENGLAND AND SOME LESSONS FOR CIVIL LIBERTIES IN AMERICA
http://www.guncite.com/journals/okslip.html
The UK 'gun ban' HORROR
http://www.topix.com/forum/guns/T62G4O4J2J62R ...
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FARII wrote:

<quoted text>We've been rough and tumble since our beginnings. Newsflash: we're not British anymore! We're free! Your Queen owns you! Half our gun deaths are suicide! Half of total deaths are'nt with firearms! We have 310,000,000 people! All our stats will look big to any Euro country! Brits are so cowardly and frightened that they give up liberty for the pretense of security and wind up with neither! Now, go smoke some of Amy Winehouse's stash and cheer up! Quit whining! We own America, you don't! GET OVER IT!!!

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Just in case you missed it:
THE MURDER RATE IS 3X THE MOST VIOLENT PLACE IN EUROPE WHERE YOU LIVE.
If you were educated any you'd realise that the murder rate takes the relative populations into account. Any person is 3X more likely to be killed in the US. That's the murder rate, not the suicide rate.
You also say that half total deaths aren't gun deaths. Does that mean you think that half the deaths in your country ARE by the gun?

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Just in case you missed it:
THE MURDER RATE IS 3X THE MOST VIOLENT PLACE IN EUROPE WHERE YOU LIVE.
If you were educated any you'd realise that the murder rate takes the relative populations into account. Any person is 3X more likely to be killed in the US. That's the murder rate, not the suicide rate.
You also say that half total deaths aren't gun deaths. Does that mean you think that half the deaths in your country ARE by the gun?

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FARII wrote:

<quoted text>We've been rough and tumble since our beginnings. Newsflash: we're not British anymore! We're free! Your Queen owns you! Half our gun deaths are suicide! Half of total deaths are'nt with firearms! We have 310,000,000 people! All our stats will look big to any Euro country! Brits are so cowardly and frightened that they give up liberty for the pretense of security and wind up with neither! Now, go smoke some of Amy Winehouse's stash and cheer up! Quit whining! We own America, you don't! GET OVER IT!!!

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So basically what you are saying is that you really ARE a complete ignoramus....

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<quoted text>So what's your theory? No guns in America will equal no violence? We know better. Suicide is a seperate category, even a Brit can distuingush that! Being armed also serves the purpose of giving the people a defense against TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT! That concept has been bre out of y'all but we still hold it sacred! Tell me this: why do you feel you have a stake in the matter anyway?

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FARII wrote:

<quoted text>You are such a crybaby! Of course you won't be over to take our guns, you know better! That anti-gun stance is just Brits saving face cuz your Queen took yours and you ain't got the backbone to do anymore than whimper about it!

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Dr Sybil wrote:

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Well, these guys are not educated enough to know how to do math. I tried to reason that point with them almost a year ago. They are angry and enraged.
Hey, so check out the topix forum entitled "It't the Guns, Stupid. You will see for yourself the anger I am referring to. They use vulgarity and name calling in an attempt to squelch out their rage.
By the way, nice to meet you.

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Dr Sybil wrote:

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Nope, not at all. He is very simply saying that you are a complete ignoramus.

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I think you'll find that your government is far more tryranical than mine. What have you done to defend yourself from it? Why you voted it back in. Duuuuhhh!!!
As for defence against a tyranical government, perhaps you should learn about the declaration of arbroath, the first time in history that a population gained the RIGHT to overthrow any government (or monarchy) they disliked. It's one of the documents your constitution copied, it was done in Scotland and it has been part of British law for longer than your country has existed.
Yes a brit can recognise suicide is different from murder. Thats why I mentioned it in the first place to counter your stupid point that half of gun deaths were suicides.
My theory whoch is clearly backed up by the available evidence is that although the USA is less violent than many places overall it has a far higher murder rate since you've made killing people so much easier. Banning guns would save lives and make your whole nation safer overall.
It isn't rocket science and any mildly educated person should realise it makes sense. Why can't you?