It's the Guns, Stupid

MalbarCACA Controller wrote:

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Does you rhino wife know you root elephants.
Idiotic MalbarCACA poofter.

no but your daughter really like my root.

says it is a whole lot bigger than yours.

Snow Bunny_ wrote:

Forgot to add:
Teaman wrote:
"Student loans went through private banks, Bunny. Obama screwed that up to pay for Obamacare."
How so?
PROOF PLEASE?
Teaman wrote:
"Speaking of doctor's oaths. Doctors here aren't accepting new Medicare and Medicaid patients."
Only those that a greedy!
Providers can opt out of the Medicare and Medicaid programs. They aren't required to participate.
BUT, I thought you're entire stance was that Government is FORCING and taking their "skill"...yet here you post that they NOW have the choice!
So what is your point?
Teaman wrote:
"What does a doctor's oath have to do with anything?"
DUH, because that oath is a vow to use their "skills" for the benefit of the PEOPLE!
Not just those with insurance!

An interesting article.
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighb...

If doctors opt out, how does that help the average citizen who can't afford out of pocket medical care? What would be the purpose of the government controlling one fifth of the economy?

Student loans are too complicated to get into on a gun forum. Some were completely private, some were government insured or government subsidized. Some were interest deferred and some were principle deferred. The point is, now they are all government financed. The banks can still loan, but they won't. Thank Dodd/Frank.

What does an oath have to do with the government control of the health system?

You brought up the subject healthcare is a right. Why don't you explain how that supposed right can occur without government intrusion and control of a private entity.

Teaman wrote:

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An interesting article.
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighb...
If doctors opt out, how does that help the average citizen who can't afford out of pocket medical care? What would be the purpose of the government controlling one fifth of the economy?
Student loans are too complicated to get into on a gun forum. Some were completely private, some were government insured or government subsidized. Some were interest deferred and some were principle deferred. The point is, now they are all government financed. The banks can still loan, but they won't. Thank Dodd/Frank.
What does an oath have to do with the government control of the health system?
You brought up the subject healthcare is a right. Why don't you explain how that supposed right can occur without government intrusion and control of a private entity.

Good afternoon teaman,

I predict that as soon as you trounce the idiot bunny, she will either ignore your post, or come back with a different statement and ask why you have not proved that one, or she will claim you wrote something else completely unrelated to the original topic.

Her MO has not changed.

Good luck, you are getting into an argument with a deranged lunatic. Fun the 1st or second time.

Snow Bunny_ wrote:

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Then why in all states do EMT'S, organized ambulance agencies, fire department, law enforcement, or rescue squad have what is known as a duty to act and are usually bound to provide help?
Get it?
Should they be or not?
If your daughter of wife got cancer, didn't have insurance, or was dropped, and NO doctor would see her due to her not being worthy due to "profit"....how would you feel?
Would you feel the doctor should be obligated to help?
What would you tell your daughter/wife?
"sorry sweetie, but the doctors are going to lose profits if they help you, and I really don't want my taxes to go up, so what kind of casket do you want?"
Are you under the impression that Doctors should profit off the most vulnerable?
Do you expect your local fire dept profit off fires?
Of course not!

Ambulance, fire, police, and so on are state government. I will have to sit down and explain the difference between the states and the people vs. the federal government's encroachment on the state's function of governing its people. Gun laws are state laws unless it involves interstate transportation or commerce.

There is no federal law against murder (unless it involves a federal officer) and no state law against counterfeiting currency. Get it.

For you information (too much for this forum), my wife is a cancer survivor. I'm very thankful for private insurance. I know with 100% certainty she would be dead if she had a government plan. Hardly anything she needed would have been covered under Medicare. Hermain Cain said as much about his bout with cancer. He said he would be dead if Obamacare was in place.

Oh! Some fire departments do charge for a fire.

ZigmunnDroid wrote:

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Good afternoon teaman,
I predict that as soon as you trounce the idiot bunny, she will either ignore your post, or come back with a different statement and ask why you have not proved that one, or she will claim you wrote something else completely unrelated to the original topic.
Her MO has not changed.
Good luck, you are getting into an argument with a deranged lunatic. Fun the 1st or second time.

I'm beginning to realize that. She lives in a simple world.

spider1954 wrote:

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I AM A PERSON WHO WORK MORE.
It would appear you have a degree of arrogance, a most unfortunate trait, that we can all suffer from.

No comrade It is not arrogance in my vein .
even though I am retired from service in two countries I am still working hard to call a spade a spade.
Simply because my critical views are not that of yours you cannot brand me as an arrogant person in this forum.
Sorry for your hasty assessment.

Ramafuchs wrote:

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No comrade It is not arrogance in my vein .
even though I am retired from service in two countries I am still working hard to call a spade a spade.
Simply because my critical views are not that of yours you cannot brand me as an arrogant person in this forum.
Sorry for your hasty assessment.

Rama, you are arrogent because you say we should not have a choice to use guns.

We would be arrogent if we said you HAD to get a gun and wear it and denied you your choice to be gun free.

Comrade I agree and uphold your liberty to buy 10 guns to protect yourself and your kith and kin.

I am critical og Guns and I have tzhe same liberty to oppose the popularization of guns-
I beg to quote this to form your own views. Not written by me but I subscribe this view.
"In 1865 there was the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, followed by those of three other presidents: James Garfield, William McKinley and John F. Kennedy, the violent deaths of Robert F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, the shootings at Columbine, Virginia Tech and Tucson. Each time, America looked at her past, analyzed the behavior of her sons, trying to find an explanation for the unspeakable, but to no avail. Eleven assassination attempts have been made against presidents of the U.S.— more than a fifth of the men who have succeeded each other to the White House. Still not included in this astounding report are the survivors such as Andrew Jackson, Franklin Roosevelt.....
http://watchingamerica.com/News/169706/in-the...

Ramafuchs wrote:

Comrade I agree and uphold your liberty to buy 10 guns to protect yourself and your kith and kin.
I am critical og Guns and I have tzhe same liberty to oppose the popularization of guns-
I beg to quote this to form your own views. Not written by me but I subscribe this view.
"In 1865 there was the assassination of Abraham Lincoln, followed by those of three other presidents: James Garfield, William McKinley and John F. Kennedy, the violent deaths of Robert F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, the shootings at Columbine, Virginia Tech and Tucson. Each time, America looked at her past, analyzed the behavior of her sons, trying to find an explanation for the unspeakable, but to no avail. Eleven assassination attempts have been made against presidents of the U.S.— more than a fifth of the men who have succeeded each other to the White House. Still not included in this astounding report are the survivors such as Andrew Jackson, Franklin Roosevelt.....
http://watchingamerica.com/News/169706/in-the...

So you still want to blame the gun for the actions of a handful of lunatics? What if Lincoln had been stabbed in the back of the head instead of shot? Would you be OK with that since a gun wasn't used?

Do you get the point?

Yes i got it and your response is that of mine..
Education is not protecting one's life with 10 guns and a bowl of soup or stabbing in the back.
Education is to revitalize the society without violent thoughts.
My wife is a Christian and my parents were religious Hindus. I see in India violence and i see violence in the Christian continent.
Crucifying Jesus and celebrating Christmas eve with all kind of non-environmental gifts is not my education

it is nothing to do with guns or any other things. I quote this just to justify that i am not arrogant but ignorant.
Please read the full article.

"Traditional cultures around the world have a wealth of stories, and a very large part of education in those cultures consists of sharing, learning, and thinking about those stories. They aren't simply entertainment. Stories are probably the oldest and most important of all human tools"
http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.de/2006/05...

Comrades
don't take amiss and make your own judgment about my views.
I was born without guns and lived without guns and wish to die without guns..
It is not anti-gun lobby but a sort of freedom of speech which is enshrined in the grama#s laws

Ramafuchs wrote:

Comrades
don't take amiss and make your own judgment about my views.
I was born without guns and lived without guns and wish to die without guns..
It is not anti-gun lobby but a sort of freedom of speech which is enshrined in the grama#s laws

The poster,'ZigmunnDroid,' put the question to you: Who's the one here attempting to FORCE others to an ideal? You and others of your ilk.
How many 'pro-gun' posters here have sought to FORCE you to keep and bear a gun? None.
How many 'anti-gun' posters here have sought to FORCE their views upon all others? All of them, including yourself.
I consider it a rather interesting situation that you profess a degree of innocence, while at the very same time engaging in acts of intellectual assault, what with your continued, and totally unfounded protestations.

i beg to repeat once again.
i am not a gun holder nor I will be till my death.
I took part in this thread because Truthdig the original link is a source for me to wipe out my ignorance.
sorry for my impolite intrussion and i keep aloof to oppose the vital useabilty of guns.
But my views will die without guns.
Thanks

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Something was blocking my post, join the last post with the previous one.

. Batterers’ use guns in a variety of ways to intimidate their victims

We analyzed survey data collected from over 8,000 males enrolled in a certified batterer intervention program in Massachusetts, 1999-2003. Recent gun owners were 8 times more likely to have threatened their partners than non-gun owners. Four main types of gun threat against partners were (a) threatening to shoot then,(b) threatening to shoot a pet or person the victim cares about,(c) cleaning, holding or loading a gun during an argument, and (d) shooting a gun during an argument.

Rothman, Emily; Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah. Batterers’ use of guns to threaten intimate partners. Journal of the American Medical Women’s Association, 2005; 60:62-68.

Light Bearer wrote:

. Batterers’ use guns in a variety of ways to intimidate their victims
We analyzed survey data collected from over 8,000 males enrolled in a certified batterer intervention program in Massachusetts, 1999-2003. Recent gun owners were 8 times more likely to have threatened their partners than non-gun owners. Four main types of gun threat against partners were (a) threatening to shoot then,(b) threatening to shoot a pet or person the victim cares about,(c) cleaning, holding or loading a gun during an argument, and (d) shooting a gun during an argument.
Rothman, Emily; Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah. Batterers’ use of guns to threaten intimate partners. Journal of the American Medical Women’s Association, 2005; 60:62-68.

People who commit crimes or threaten their spouse or have a violent history almost 100% of the time own at least one pair of shoes. Millions of killers around the world including countries with strong antigun laws do own shoes. What does this point to? Shoes cause crime. See I can make a study point to any thing I want just like you. Do you want to talk about shirts and pants?

Light Bearer wrote:

. Batterers’ use guns in a variety of ways to intimidate their victims
We analyzed survey data collected from over 8,000 males enrolled in a certified batterer intervention program in Massachusetts, 1999-2003. Recent gun owners were 8 times more likely to have threatened their partners than non-gun owners. Four main types of gun threat against partners were (a) threatening to shoot then,(b) threatening to shoot a pet or person the victim cares about,(c) cleaning, holding or loading a gun during an argument, and (d) shooting a gun during an argument.
Rothman, Emily; Hemenway, David; Miller, Matthew; Azrael, Deborah. Batterers’ use of guns to threaten intimate partners. Journal of the American Medical Women’s Association, 2005; 60:62-68.

President Bush even had a shoe thrown at him. Proof crazy violent people use shoes.

Ramafuchs wrote:

i beg to repeat once again.
i am not a gun holder nor I will be till my death.
I took part in this thread because Truthdig the original link is a source for me to wipe out my ignorance.
sorry for my impolite intrussion and i keep aloof to oppose the vital useabilty of guns.
But my views will die without guns.
Thanks

That is your choice and your belief but don't expect the rest of mankind to agree with you. Perhaps you have lived a safe life but many of us have been exposed to very violent people and extreme situations that maybe you haven't been. Just maybe some of us feel self defense is a right and the manner we defend ourselves is a right also. If it were not for violent criminals people like me would not need to have a gun for self defense. You are trying to treat the symptom of a problem and not the cause. Find a cure for violent criminals (rapist and murderers) and dictators who kill and enslave the people and the gun problem will solve it's self.