On Native GroundTRAYVON Martin Did not have to Die

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“hellshade”

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May 28, 2012
 
Concerned in Bremen wrote:
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I think you need to understand done facts. So far confirmed facts are, 2 lacerations on the back of gzs head. One half an inch one over an inch. Broken nose that did not break the skin. Two black eyes. Two drops of blood from gz on trayvons shirt. An exposed knuckle on trayvons right hand.
Those are now confirmed by the prosecuting attorneys office. I'm not a lawyer yet, but I would live to defend Zimmerman...
and you would do well to check the links in some of my previous posts about neighborhood watch protocols. zimmermna claims he is a neighborhood watch captain. i found the protocols for the sanford florida neighborhood watch and zimmerman violated those protocols by continuing to pursue martin. he was the one that put himself in the position and it is by his actions that there was an altercation that ended in him murdering someone.
sanfords neighborhood watch protcols specifiacally say this"

"10. Remember always that your
responsibility is to report crime. Do
not take any risks to prevent a
crime or try to make an arrest.
The responsibility for
apprehending criminals belongs
to the police department."

zimmermann decided he had to stop someone that was not even commiting a crime and when martin stood his ground zimmerman shot him.

have a nice day....

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May 28, 2012
 
Concerned in Bremen wrote:
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I think you need to understand done facts. So far confirmed facts are, 2 lacerations on the back of gzs head. One half an inch one over an inch. Broken nose that did not break the skin. Two black eyes. Two drops of blood from gz on trayvons shirt. An exposed knuckle on trayvons right hand.
Those are now confirmed by the prosecuting attorneys office. I'm not a lawyer yet, but I would live to defend Zimmerman...
also your "confirmed facts" do not show who started the altercation
zimmerman was clearly in the wrong by continuing to follow martin after calling it in. the sanford neighborhood watch protocols clearly shows and states this. so now zimmerman is looking to stop martin from getting away and in his 911 call he clearly says these a-holes always get away. so martin is doing nothing more than walking thru the neighborhood and is confronted by someone demanding information from him. he runs off to get away from this guy and zimmerman chases him and they get into a fight. zimm starts getting his ass handed to him so pulls his gun and shoots martin.
bottom line is if zimmerman was indeed a neighborhood watch captain he would have known he was not supposed to chase or try to apprehend any known criminal,just call it in and leave it to the police.
clearly zimmerman was the aggressor and it was martin who is the one that was standing his ground...

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May 28, 2012
 
Concerned in Bremen wrote:
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I think you need to understand done facts. So far confirmed facts are, 2 lacerations on the back of gzs head. One half an inch one over an inch. Broken nose that did not break the skin. Two black eyes. Two drops of blood from gz on trayvons shirt. An exposed knuckle on trayvons right hand.
Those are now confirmed by the prosecuting attorneys office. I'm not a lawyer yet, but I would live to defend Zimmerman...
Did you teach your children to beware of strangers? Yes or No?

Was Trayvon legally a child?

If George laid as much as a finger on Trayvon it was "legally" a felonious assault.

The Medical Examiner who conducted Trayvon's autopsy lists his official size at 5' 11" and 158 lbs.

That's not very large IMO, certainly not threateningly large.

It was 7 PM! One of the witnesses was a 13 year old youngster out walking his dog.

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May 28, 2012
 
Dan wrote:
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That would depend.
If someone was following you flashing a gun I do believe the court would see that physical method of self defense understandable.
Evidence Zimmerman was flashing a gun.

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May 28, 2012
 
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Memorial Day and I come in here after days, weeks and yuo're still pounding at the keyboard like a chicken on cocaine.
Get - A - Life loser.
LOL!!!
That or get a job.
LOL!!!
The only "evidence" you see is what escaped Zimmerman's mouth stupid.
Do you think Zimmerman MIGHT have a reason to lie his ass off given his freedom is on the line here???
Hmmmmmmmm???
It's just as easy to see any evidence as proof Martin was defending himself. After all....the's not the loser freak following another over stupid suspicions while carrying a gun as if he was Magnum PI.
When this goes to court I'll bet my PEZ collection Zimmerman's not walking out of that courtroom with a hug from MOMMA and a sigh of relief.
That murdering son of a bitch is goingt to do some time with real criminals so he can tell the difference between them and some 17 year old kid going home.
Prove he murdered Martin. Prove it wasn't self-defense. Bet you can't.

You're just crying because you have wood for the boy. Over hundreds of posts you've cried and carried on. Get over him, he's gone.
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May 28, 2012
 
So is this idiotic author saying that law abiding gun owners should just retreat if a thug enters their home of threatens them with bodily harm on the street? When that happens criminals have more rights than productive citizens.
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May 28, 2012
 
centereach ny wrote:
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ok time for you to list evidence behind your "facts"
the only fact you have correct is that 911 dispatchers in florida are not police offices but work for public saftey and they were right to tell zimmerman not to pursue martin as it might put him in danger, zimmerman ignored this
you have no evidence of who attacked who all you have is zimmermans word and that is the word of a person who just shot and killed someone.
also neighbor hood watch personal are not supposed to be armed with lethal weapons nor are they supposed to confront suspicious persons. what they are supposed to do is call it in to the police and let the police handle it.
also of all the "witnesses in the case none of them saw who actually started the fight.
please post here where you got the evidence for all of your suppositions because these are not facts...
Fact 911 does not have the authority to issue orders. Fact As an American citizen George had every right to KEEP AND BEAR regardless of neighborhood watch guide lines. I have seen no proof George confronted Tayvon, have you? George is the victim of a crime so when did the victim of a crimes word not taken serious by police? Fact George did call 911 your good little boy Trayvon didn't before he attacked George. You are right about no witnesses to who stareted the fight but the physical evidence (George having wounds and Trayvon not having wounds) points to George being the victim. These are FACTS that even the DA admit to. Would you please post were any of this is not true? Would you post your proof George broke any law.
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May 28, 2012
 
centereach ny wrote:
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also your "confirmed facts" do not show who started the altercation
zimmerman was clearly in the wrong by continuing to follow martin after calling it in. the sanford neighborhood watch protocols clearly shows and states this. so now zimmerman is looking to stop martin from getting away and in his 911 call he clearly says these a-holes always get away. so martin is doing nothing more than walking thru the neighborhood and is confronted by someone demanding information from him. he runs off to get away from this guy and zimmerman chases him and they get into a fight. zimm starts getting his ass handed to him so pulls his gun and shoots martin.
bottom line is if zimmerman was indeed a neighborhood watch captain he would have known he was not supposed to chase or try to apprehend any known criminal,just call it in and leave it to the police.
clearly zimmerman was the aggressor and it was martin who is the one that was standing his ground...
According to YOUR link Report some one who may be acting like they are on drugs. George did and Trayvon was. Your link also says to position yourself to observe the activity which George was doing. Why didn't Trayvon follow that advice? Everything you say George did wrong also applies to Trayvon except George didn't attack Trayvon.

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May 28, 2012
 
Tray wrote:
<quoted text> Fact 911 does not have the authority to issue orders. Fact As an American citizen George had every right to KEEP AND BEAR regardless of neighborhood watch guide lines. I have seen no proof George confronted Tayvon, have you? George is the victim of a crime so when did the victim of a crimes word not taken serious by police? Fact George did call 911 your good little boy Trayvon didn't before he attacked George. You are right about no witnesses to who stareted the fight but the physical evidence (George having wounds and Trayvon not having wounds) points to George being the victim. These are FACTS that even the DA admit to. Would you please post were any of this is not true? Would you post your proof George broke any law.
Fact: George wasn't speaking to a 911 dispatcher. Fact: Florida doesn't have DA's.

You need some practice dummy, and much better facts.
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May 28, 2012
 
RuffnReddy wrote:
<quoted text>Did you teach your children to beware of strangers? Yes or No?
Was Trayvon legally a child?
If George laid as much as a finger on Trayvon it was "legally" a felonious assault.
The Medical Examiner who conducted Trayvon's autopsy lists his official size at 5' 11" and 158 lbs.
That's not very large IMO, certainly not threateningly large.
It was 7 PM! One of the witnesses was a 13 year old youngster out walking his dog.
Well were is your proof George laid a finger on Trayvon? Trayvon was big enough to cause great physical harm to George making him fair game for a bullet. Being a minor does not exempt you from the law or grant you the right to attack someone without them having the right to defend themselves. Minors are tried and sentenced as adults every day.
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May 28, 2012
 
RuffnReddy wrote:
<quoted text>Fact: George wasn't speaking to a 911 dispatcher. Fact: Florida doesn't have DA's.
You need some practice dummy, and much better facts.
s that it? Is that the best you can do? Please say you are ready to debate the case. It seems like you don't really have any substance to your posts. George was not issued a lawful order. The prosecution admits they don't have proof George started the attack. Is that worded better for you?

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May 28, 2012
 
Tray wrote:
<quoted text>s that it? Is that the best you can do? Please say you are ready to debate the case. It seems like you don't really have any substance to your posts. George was not issued a lawful order. The prosecution admits they don't have proof George started the attack. Is that worded better for you?
You get dumber by the minute don't you?

Remind me now, who was it that told George that it was lawful to follow youngsters around while armed?

Circumstantial evidence can be powerful when presented properly.

Have you heard any of Georges more recent suspicious person calls?

Trayvon Martin was a juvenile, he has an excuse for damned near every stupid thing he could do at 7 PM on a Sunday evening.

George is the twenty eight year old son of a magistrate with two years of criminal justice studies under his belt and 9mm pistola in his pocket.

Did I mention that it was just moments past 7 PM?

Not exactly the bewitching hour eh?
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May 28, 2012
 
RuffnReddy wrote:
<quoted text>You get dumber by the minute don't you?
Remind me now, who was it that told George that it was lawful to follow youngsters around while armed?
Circumstantial evidence can be powerful when presented properly.
Have you heard any of Georges more recent suspicious person calls?
Trayvon Martin was a juvenile, he has an excuse for damned near every stupid thing he could do at 7 PM on a Sunday evening.
George is the twenty eight year old son of a magistrate with two years of criminal justice studies under his belt and 9mm pistola in his pocket.
Did I mention that it was just moments past 7 PM?
Not exactly the bewitching hour eh?
Please show the law that says it was illegal to follow Trayvon. Circumstantial evidence is over ridden by physical evidence. How is Georges other calls relevant to this case? Trayvon has an excuse for everything except attacking someone. I have a pistol in my pocket. So whats your point? I carry in case some thug wants to attack me I will be prepared to defend myself.

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Dan wrote:
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Really.
Well dumbass....would you tell some creepy man following you around only to confront you you "just lived there" as a 17 year old going home???
I'd be beating feet. And if the creep were to touch me I too would make efforts to save my own ass against a percieved threat including taking a swing at the goof.
You losers...your biased thoughts will lead you to think Trayvon - a seventeen year old KID - deserved to die at the hands of this insecure freak Zimmerman because the little fat boy said he was 'attacked' and was defending his loser vanilla life.
Did ya ever excersize that walnut sized brain God endowed you with Farmer Bropwn and wonder WHY Trayvon might have gone after Zimmerman??? Just maybe it was self defense????
Idiot. Go grow some corn. You appafrently suck at anything that involves thought.
LOL!!!
Are you saying the child should have not been outside at night without a parent? I would agree. Poor baby. That's what I thought when I saw the picture of a 13 year old. But seeing him at 17 is something else.

And Trayvon was so scared of the creepy guy following him. But he didn't run. He got on the phone with his girlfriend.
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RuffnReddy wrote:
<quoted text>You get dumber by the minute don't you?
Remind me now, who was it that told George that it was lawful to follow youngsters around while armed?
Circumstantial evidence can be powerful when presented properly.
Have you heard any of Georges more recent suspicious person calls?
Trayvon Martin was a juvenile, he has an excuse for damned near every stupid thing he could do at 7 PM on a Sunday evening.
George is the twenty eight year old son of a magistrate with two years of criminal justice studies under his belt and 9mm pistola in his pocket.
Did I mention that it was just moments past 7 PM?
Not exactly the bewitching hour eh?
By the way what does the time have to do with it? Are you implying crime only happens at certain times of the day or night?
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May 28, 2012
 
RuffnReddy wrote:
<quoted text>Fact: George wasn't speaking to a 911 dispatcher. Fact: Florida doesn't have DA's.
You need some practice dummy, and much better facts.
Speaking of dummy's without facts, when are you going to present some?

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centereach ny wrote:
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and the fact of martin being suspended from school for a marijuana baggie has no real bearing on him getting shot and killed.
of course the fact that zimmerman was once arrested for battery of a police officer and resisting arrest may prove who is the one with the violent tendencies here. not to mention the restraining order zimms ex fiance had against him for slapping her around...

Poor little double standard huh,

Was Trayvon Martin high on a concoction called “Lean” the night he was killed?

looks like you are backing a real winner, suspended for pot, still smokin pot, it has bearing

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If you're that dumb, there is no point in arguing. You heard the wind because Zimmerman was in his car pursuing. What evidence is there that Tryvon was engaged in any illegal activity? What warranted Zimmerman to follow, or even to approach Tryvon? Nothing. Do you even know the procedures for neighborhood watch? Zimmerman broke all of them. What do you think the police meant when they said "We don't need you to do that."? That means let it go.
Fact: Tryvon Martin was not doing anything illegal.
Fact: George Zimmerman perused without just cause. Breaking all procedures for neighborhood watch.
Fact: George Zimmerman ignored the police and aggravated the situation which lead to the physical confrontation.
Fact: When George Zimmerman couldn't handle the confrontation with Tryvon Martin he aggravated, he killed him.
Fact: George Zimmerman had no authority to take the actions that he did.
Morale of the story: You don't have the right to take the law into your own hands. We have a kid killed unjustly and and a complete wuss who's probably going to spend a lot of time behind bars for a long time.
Sounds about right to me. Of course, I don't have all the evidence yet, but I know that the incident could have been avoided. I believe that Zimmerman, by virtue of his having a firearm, should have been the one to back off and let the police do their job. He was the one who had control and it would appear that he wasnt willing to back away. If
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Sounds about right to me. Of course, I don't have all the evidence yet, but I know that the incident could have been avoided. I believe that Zimmerman, by virtue of his having a firearm, should have been the one to back off and let the police do their job. He was the one who had control and it would appear that he wasnt willing to back away. If
The situation could have been avoided if Trayvon had just kept walking instead of attacking someone who had the ability to defend themselves. The situation could have been avoided if Trayvon had not gotten suspended from school for drugs. He would have been at his own home that night. The police did their job and picked up the body but you are not content with that are you? On one hand you back the police and say butt out of their job but at the same time say the police didn't do their job by arresting George that night. Which one is it?
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Sounds about right to me. Of course, I don't have all the evidence yet, but I know that the incident could have been avoided. I believe that Zimmerman, by virtue of his having a firearm, should have been the one to back off and let the police do their job. He was the one who had control and it would appear that he wasnt willing to back away. If
The police said George acted in self defense that night so why don't you back off and let them do their job? Why did Sharpton run down there and get involved? Why didn't he back off and let the police do their job? Why did the President get involved instead of letting the police do their job?

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