On Native GroundTRAYVON Martin Did not have to Die

TractorFarmer wrote:

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I'm not racist. I am friendly and don't want to say anything mean to hurt anyone's feelings. Some people here are sensitive.

Christo1 wrote:

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Tractor, are you serious???
Of course you are not. You know good and well you don't care about hurting feelings.
Granted, you are not mean, vile or filthy in your language like many others are but what you say still offends. You have to know that.
In any event, I must go. It has been nice knowing of you. Hopefully, you shall see the light one day.
Good Luck.

DobyTheDoggy wrote:

This place is too much for me. Here on this forum there is too much fighting, bickering, name calling & just overall negativity. I find myself waking in the morning looking forward to the next fight. That in my opinion means this has gone too far.
I thought in stumbling across this site that I would find positive Black people discussing issues of importance to our race. What I found instead (and sadly participated in) was a group of Black people arguing and insulting each other, white racists degrading Blacks, BLACK women degrading Black men, white men fulfilling their sick fantasies and others that are more graphic than I care to mention.
In a nutshell, this place is not for me. I have a great life, a beautiful and proud young Black son, a career that is progressing and an appreciation for my people that knows no limits. Being here has brought out the negative side of me that I would prefer not to come out daily.
I believe that the majority of the people here mean well and are only guilty of falling into the same negative traps that I am making a decision not to any longer. There are so many other important issues for our people to discuss. Yet it seems that the only discussions that get any attention are those that are in my opinion just stupid and a waste of time! I mean really people, how much time will you dedicate to debating IR dating? At the same time, a thread about the stimulus package proposed by the president of the US gets absolutely no attention.
Again, I have met a few great people here and wouldn’t mind keeping in contact with them, but not here. There is just too much positive in my life to allow this site to change that. I am guilty of participating and attacking people here also. While I might say, I was protecting myself or my people, the fact is that I realize that nothing I say here will actually make a change in how anyone here lives or thinks. Knowing that, I really don’t see the point of participating.
I realized that when I actually left my home to go meet someone from this site who attacked me that I needed to remove this site from my life. I’m not saying you are all wrong for staying, this site is just not right for me.
I will stick around today and reply to the anticipated bull crap responses to this but I will not return tomorrow. It was nice to have had this experience and to have met you all.
Doby

eternal cynic wrote:

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Did you bother to read why?

Ambrosialtruth wrote:

<quoted text>I guess I can see where you're coming from and honestly I think those blacks are black American. The country I'm from, blacks, whites, Indians, and Hispanics live in harmony. It's come to the point where I just don't identify myself with some of these blacks in the US.

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OregonSUX wrote:

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The state is sticking him back in jail.

Radscal wrote:

ps.

The "means I have available" is a little Walther PPK I've owned since 1968 (pre "s"). Yeah, it's a mouse gun, but it's very concealable and remarkably accurate.

RazorHawg wrote:

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Those guns are cool. Easy to conceal.

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Radscal wrote:

So, here's my world.
I'm walking home from a store on a winter night in the rain and I notice a burly stranger in an SUV following me. I take the turn off the street to head to the sidewalk to my back door and I see this stranger get out of his vehicle and begin to pursue me.
I STAND MY GROUND with whatever means I have available.
I explain what happened to the cops when they arrive, and they take me in for questioning, but release me when they hear the 911 tapes and realize that an overzealous neighborhood watch volunteer had violated watch rules and the 911 dispatcher's too-vague instructions by pursuing me some 100 yards from his vehicle to the sidewalk where the confrontation took place.
The Hispanic community protests that I should have submitted to this stranger instead of STANDING MY GROUND, but the DA's office concludes that, in the situation I was placed in, and especially since I am a member of a group known to have been the target of Hispanic thugs, I was acting with a reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death. So, I go back to my life as before.
Of course, I'm an older white guy whose pot smoking and school suspension days are long in the past. Not that race played any role in the Martin killing, that is.

OregonSUX wrote:

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See ya! Hope you are moving on to greener pastures.

OregonSUX wrote:

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Yes, it is clear you are a racist. You are just trying to find a PC way to justify your bigotry.

Radscal wrote:

So, here's my world.
I'm walking home from a store on a winter night in the rain and I notice a burly stranger in an SUV following me. I take the turn off the street to head to the sidewalk to my back door and I see this stranger get out of his vehicle and begin to pursue me.
I STAND MY GROUND with whatever means I have available.
I explain what happened to the cops when they arrive, and they take me in for questioning, but release me when they hear the 911 tapes and realize that an overzealous neighborhood watch volunteer had violated watch rules and the 911 dispatcher's too-vague instructions by pursuing me some 100 yards from his vehicle to the sidewalk where the confrontation took place.
The Hispanic community protests that I should have submitted to this stranger instead of STANDING MY GROUND, but the DA's office concludes that, in the situation I was placed in, and especially since I am a member of a group known to have been the target of Hispanic thugs, I was acting with a reasonable fear of great bodily harm or death. So, I go back to my life as before.
Of course, I'm an older white guy whose pot smoking and school suspension days are long in the past. Not that race played any role in the Martin killing, that is.

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Radscal wrote:

What makes you so sure that this stranger did not threaten me or touch me, but simply asked me what I was doing?
So, that is not the conversation I would have had with the cop. And after all, since the stalker is not talking, I could have made up a story just as outlandish as Zimmerman's, "As soon as the dispatcher told me "we don't need you to do that," {follow Martin} I started to return to my truck, but was ambushed."
But, I would not have to make false claims to the police. I did, after all, retreat for some 100 yards past where this stranger got out of his car and chased me on foot. The stalker was armed, and had a history of violence, which I did not. And, the stalker was a younger Hispanic, ne'r do well of a man, and I"m an older, white, professional man. Not that race would have any more to do with my case as it did with the Martin/Zimmerman case.
Taking this out of the "my world" scenario, I'm anxious to hear how Zimmerman explains continuing to follow Martin for about 100 yards after leaving his SUV. And, the timeline from the end of his 911 call until the fatal gunshot is heard on other 911 calls is less than 3 minutes. During those couple of minutes, there was time for a loud argument and then fighting which caused neighbors to look for the disturbance and make 911 calls. In other words, Martin and Zimmerman were not exactly sauntering down that path towards Martin's back door.

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Black Rhino wrote:

Zimmerman's bond was revoked..for lying to the court.

Sure, this guy is a stand up citizen, huh?

Tallapoosa Thread wrote:

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Maybe not, maybe he's guilty of perjury. They will prolly get him on perjury but not murder 2. What a sad state. Gz is prolly innocent...