Obama wrong on guns

The 2nd Amendment reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Are you a militia member, are you keeping guns for the security of a free State. Just more NRA BS where they twist and pull at the words until it fits their need to keep AK47s at home. It's the right to bear arms as part of a well regulated Militia, and to protect our country. Clinging to the bible and the gun? Oh I forgot, that Jesus was a man with a a weapon...his weapon was words, kindness, and forgiveness. Guns should be nowhere near a bible. Just Sick!

Abominous wrote:

The 2nd Amendment reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Are you a militia member, are you keeping guns for the security of a free State. Just more NRA BS where they twist and pull at the words until it fits their need to keep AK47s at home. It's the right to bear arms as part of a well regulated Militia, and to protect our country. Clinging to the bible and the gun? Oh I forgot, that Jesus was a man with a a weapon...his weapon was words, kindness, and forgiveness. Guns should be nowhere near a bible. Just Sick!

In over 24 Supreme Court decisions wherein the 2nd Amendment was acknowledged as an "individual" right, the Court referenced the 2nd WITHOUT the dependent clause (you know, the part about the militia). Even Ginsburg referred to it as an individual right.

The part about the militia was included as A reason...it was not THE reason. The right was affirmed to the PEOPLE, not the militia.

Abominous wrote:

The 2nd Amendment reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Are you a militia member, are you keeping guns for the security of a free State. Just more NRA BS where they twist and pull at the words until it fits their need to keep AK47s at home. It's the right to bear arms as part of a well regulated Militia, and to protect our country. Clinging to the bible and the gun? Oh I forgot, that Jesus was a man with a a weapon...his weapon was words, kindness, and forgiveness. Guns should be nowhere near a bible. Just Sick!

Put your head back in the anti-gun sand before your ears get cold. Ignore history, twist it all you want. You have no clue what you are talking about. EVERY male 17-45 were and are considered the militia:
US CODE (Title 10 Subtitle A Part 1 Chapter 13 Sec 311)

Sec. 311.- Militia: composition and classes
(a)
The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for few public officials." (George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates at 425-426)

"The great object is that every man be armed" and "everyone who is able may have a gun." (Patrick Henry, in the Virginia Convention on the ratification of the Constitution. Debates and other Proceedings of the Convention of Virginia,...taken in shorthand by David Robertson of Petersburg, at 271, 275 2d ed. Richmond, 1805. Also 3 Elliot, Debates at 386)

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." (Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-8)

Our longest serving Supreme Court Justice, WHO WAS PRESENT AT THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEBATES, said "Also, the conditions and circumstances of the period require a finding that while the stated purpose of the right to arms was to secure a well-regulated militia, the right to self-defense was assumed by the Framers."

And don't forget (or at least read it for the first time) what Jesus said:"Let him who hath no sword, let him sell his tunic and buy one".--Luke 22:36,

Now run along kiddie, the adults are talking.

I believe it is up to the individual to say if they want to own a gun. I spent 20 years in the Military and I do not own a gun. But understand this, if you give up your rights, you give up your Liberty.

Bill Clinton may not have intended for it to be considered, but if women are good enough to be members of the U.S. military, then women are also good enough to be included in the militia. The militia IS the whole people; the law abiding citizens - men, women and youngsters old enough and knowledgeable enough to have and bear arms!! The militia is totally separate from state or federal government and is not controlled by government in any way whatsoever. It is the "Peoples last resort" to keeping the government honest.

PEOPLE UNITED!

WHY IS MCCAIN and REPUBLICANS supporting a 1.2 BILLION dollar tax break for EXXON Mobil?

WHY IS MCCAIN and REPUBLICANS IN SUPPORT OF CORPORATE Loopholes and MORE TAX CUTS for OIL COMPANIES, CORPORATIONS and the RICH, While Low and Middle income Americans continue to suffer.

Why does McCain want to continue BUSH Economic policies, while Americans continue to pay rising gas prices and food prices?

The American ECONOMY today is a result of a LACK of leadership from the REPUBLICAN president and if John McCain had his way, he would keep the status quo.

THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE BETTER, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DESERVE HONEST CHANGE AND A STRONG ECONOMIC PLAN.

Restore Honesty and Integrity to the White House.

CHANGE IS HERE for "ALL" Americans.

OBAMA 08

Here's why? But don't fool yourself. Obama is setting himself up to be part of the "elite" as well. If he doesn't, they will just arrange an "unfortunate technology failure" somewhere along the line. The "eliute" are certainly not going to surrender the 2nd largest pool of oil on the planet now that they control it!

Look you stupid sheeple, what is really going on is the INTENTIONAL DESTRUCTION of the middle class, so that you lose your homes and either starve to death or submit to being a serf to the Elite Landlord class. Ultimately "New World Order" means a return to Feudalism, where a small elite class control all the resources, fuel, foodstuffs, medicine and yes, even access to jobs.
Soon is coming the phase to disarm you. Of course one of the easiest ways is to force you to sell off your arms to keep from starving or force you to live in your car where they can then be confiscated by local law enforcement on one of their "searches".

It is a clever, and sadly effective classic "starve them out siege war" against the middle class. Once you are disarmed and starving, you are powerless to "take back America" from the greedy cold hearted psychopathic bastards that are looting it all from you instead of sharing it all with everyone.

You had all better put down the remote control, PBR and Doritos and start getting yourselves together AND DO SOMETHING before this new TYRANNY by the elite makes that completely impossible. It is your constitutional right and your DUTY!! It is the reason why the Constitution gave us that right, because the wise founders knew that the psychopathic dark side of humanity is greed, power, and domination, and that there is only one way to stop that. Words won't stop psychopaths, trying to reason with them or cut a deal won't stop them. You stop them by overwhelming force. WAKE UP YOU STUPID SHEEPLE BECAUSE THE GREEDY PSYCHOS ARE TAKING OVER UNLESS YOU DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!

wrong title should be obama wrong period!!!!!!!!!

A little on the radical side there bubba, but your underlying message is right. The greedy elite need to be put in their place.

Abominous wrote:

The 2nd Amendment reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Are you a militia member, are you keeping guns for the security of a free State. Just more NRA BS where they twist and pull at the words until it fits their need to keep AK47s at home. It's the right to bear arms as part of a well regulated Militia, and to protect our country. Clinging to the bible and the gun? Oh I forgot, that Jesus was a man with a a weapon...his weapon was words, kindness, and forgiveness. Guns should be nowhere near a bible. Just Sick!

The 2nd Amendment reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

now read it again.. let's break it down for you. first: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, note the comma?
second: the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

note the second comma after the word arms?
the sentence tells of first a well rounded maiitia and the reason for it then speaks of the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED! now just where under the right of the people does it say anything about the people needing to belong to any type of militia? under a U.S.TITLE all able bodied males are to take up arms against the common foe in times of need. try looking that one up. been in the american rifleman besides being a part of our federal law. 911 gives one someone to talk to while being murerded while a gun in the hand may save your life.
you choose, 911 on the phone with help who know how long a way or a gun in your hand for instant help?talk or gun? its your life.

When seconds count, help is only minutes away.

Aside from the incontrovertible words of the U.S. Constitution that places the right to keep & bear arms with the people, the statistics regarding guns and gun control are also undeniable.

Most of the slaughters that have shocked this country took place in schools--all of them were gun-free zones.

Rendering the people utterly defenseless is not only wrong, it is cruel. The Founding Fathers understood this basic fact of life, and in their brilliance they stated this as an explicitly named right. There is no constitutional question about it.

By the way, the National Guard or Army Reserves are NOT the same as a militia.

Remember the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles? Most people never gave it much thought unless they lived there, but millions of far left bleeding liberals that swore gun ownership was not necessary immediately found a new fact. It was. All those people were terrified that the killing and burning would affect their lives in their neighborhood and possibly their homes. Many of them were affected in one way or another.

A lot of them were calling Charlton Heston and asking "Chuck, where can I get a gun for self- defense?(They knew Heston had many guns in his home)" Charlton Heston basically said: "You have to wait 15 days after filling out the paperwork -- This is how you wanted it, now you know how wrong you and the rest of the anti-gun crowd have always been".

Those riots were a sad spot on American history. Many died. Billions of dollars up in smoke because the law and the government didn't protect the people. Since then, the anti-gun crowd has all gone back to their old ways, blaming guns instead of blaming the one with the finger on the trigger. It'll happen again. Guaranteed.

Get Charlton Heston's last book: The Courage to be Free. Every Jr. Hi. School student should be required to read it. Every parent should have it as an additional guide in teaching what the schools and the government don't want their children to know. Just like the Bill of Rights, this book is presented in very simple english so anyone can understand it. I believe kids would love this book. Many future lives would be better by reading The Courage to be Free.

Here's a little note for "abominous" to chew on: You think guns have no place near a Bible? Under that analogy, you probably think the disciples of Jesus Christ had no place carrying swords and daggers. When Paul cut off the Roman centurions ear just before Jesus' arrest, Jesus healed the Roman centurion and told Paul to not use his sword in defense of Jesus. He DIDN'T SAY dispose of the sword. Later, Jesus instructed his dIsciples to go and preach the word to the world, to take their swords to defend themselves against thieves, robbers, murderers, etc. Again: He DID NOT say dispose of the swords or daggers. If there were no such thing as "technology" we would still be using swords and daggers, AND sticks and stones now-a-days. But due to technology, the tools necessary for self defense have improved.

The Bible is literally filled with support of self defense; so my point is very simple and you've probably heard it before: Self Defense is a God given right! It's guaranteed by the Constitution and Bill of Rights! You have the right to not own a gun. It's your choice. Someday, some event may change your mind. You also should be thankful that you have an NRA to fight for your Constitutional rights (all of them). Australia, England and Canada have lost their right of gun ownership and because of cowardly people like you, American gun ownership has been and still is under attack. The people will win because we know what happens to crime rates in countries like Canada, Australia and England after gun bans have taken place: The rates jump right through the roof, and a lot more innocent people die. Just the facts, man!

Obama has voted for every anti-gun measure since
he has been in office.
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read....
His speaches are not written by him but for him.
If he will drop the teleprompter and speak his mind we will be able to see who he really is.
I can't believe people would consider him as a
possible president. His plan is a guess or change for the sake of change.

I heard that McCain wants to outlaw guns!!

Actually he hasn't "actually" voted on all of them. Some - he didn't vote (same thing as voting against it) and others he just voted "present" (which is also the same as voting against it). In a technical sense, your'e right. He also expressed his opinion that Federally licensed gun stores be banned within any park or school in the entire country!! Can you believe that!! Under Obama's map, gun stores would be pushed into the arctic wilderness, the pacific, the gulf or the atlantic, although he's ok with the idea of porn stores that sell porn and inflatable dollies in the same neighborhood as schools and parks!! Lets not get into his stance on abortion...or homosexual marriage... stance?? what stance?? It's all o.k. with him. Obama is downright dispicable. And so is his ugly wife.

You got it right Bob. Here is a perfect example of why every law abiding American citizen should have the right to self defense no matter where they are - a couple of weeks ago in a Winnamucca, Nevada bar, a guy walked in and shot two of the customers dead, he started to aim for a third victim when a bystander with a legal concealed handgun shot and killed this guy. A perfect example of an honest person doing the right thing at the right time and saving untold lives. It's time California and all other states wake up and allow innocent, law abiding people the right to defend themselves.

Abominous wrote:

The 2nd Amendment reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Are you a militia member, are you keeping guns for the security of a free State. Just more NRA BS where they twist and pull at the words until it fits their need to keep AK47s at home. It's the right to bear arms as part of a well regulated Militia, and to protect our country. Clinging to the bible and the gun? Oh I forgot, that Jesus was a man with a a weapon...his weapon was words, kindness, and forgiveness. Guns should be nowhere near a bible. Just Sick!

Your argument falls a bit short. In every other section of the Constitution, the US supreme court has consistantly ruled that the words "...the people..." always mean the individual people, and an individual right, not a collective right. Meaning the court could never rule that only in the second ammendment did the framers intend a collective right while in every other ammendment mean an individual right. If that ever happend, then the entire constitution would be disected and be worthless. The rights in the constitution were written to protect all of us as individuals first, and a collective second.

Obama,(among others), is plainly communistic in his political idealogy:

"From among the rights retained by our policy, we have selected those of self defence or bearing arms, of conscience, and of free inquiry, for two purposes; one, to shew the vast superiority of our policy, in being able to keep natural rights necessary for liberty and happiness, out of the hands of governments; the other, to shew that this ability is the effect of its principles, and beyond the reach of Mr. Adams’s system, or of any other, unable to reserve to the people, and to withhold from governments, a variety of rights."

- John Taylor, Revolutionary Soldier and U.S. Senator,(1792 – 94, 1803, 1822 – 24).[An Inquiry into the Principles and Policy of the Government of the United States: Section the Sixth; THE GOOD MORAL PRINCIPLES OF THE GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES,(1814).]
http://gunshowonthenet.com/AfterTheFact/AnInq...

There can be NO mistaking or twisting those words around....