Trayvon Martin Shooting Shows Perils of Lax U.S. Gun Laws

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Did she now? The girlfriend wasnt there, so she couldnt >POSSIBLY< know who confronted whom, or who intiated what, much less speak to it. If my memory serves, the girlfriend said that Trayvon told her the man (Z) was still following and getting close. That sounds like Z confronting T does it not?
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Yes, she did. I believe her script said she heard St. Tray say to someone, "Why you be following me?", then she heard someone say, "What are you doing around here?". Yep, that is pretty much what she said, so according to that, St. Tray initiated.

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Is that what it indicates? Again, what is the motive for T to attack Z completely 100% unprovoked? There is none. George's wishy washy accounts only suggest that Z gave T good reason to go on the defensive.
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Thugs generally don't need any motive to attack, that's why so many are attacked by these thugs. But I suppose the best person to ask would be the bus driver he "swung on" unprovoked, or are you going to tell me his was justified then too because the bus driver looked at him?

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Your conclusions are speculative based on the facts you presented. The question is (and always has been) Do you believe George? George has done nothing >BUT< show he is an unbelievable person since the shooting.
No, I dont. Because the State is 100% right. George is one of those individuals that strapped on a gun >LOOKING< for a situation to shoot and kill someone. Trouble didnt find him, he went out to find trouble. Self defense doesnt apply to those people.

No more speculative than yours. But yes, I do believe GZ. I would find it hard to believe him if his account of the incident had been told exactly the same during each interview. What you and so many fail to realize is that these inconsistencies you rant about are normal behavior for someone who has been through a traumatic experience. In the moment one may remember or forget certain details that they then remember at a later date. This is completely normal. If GZ had told the exact same story consistantly, I would have then had my doubts about his story.

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Yes, she did. I believe her script said she heard St. Tray say to someone, "Why you be following me?", then she heard someone say, "What are you doing around here?". Yep, that is pretty much what she said, so according to that, St. Tray initiated.
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So your going to pick and choose which comments you wish to use and ram it into your "version" of events like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.......... The fact remains Zimmerman left the relative saftey of his vehichle and pursued martin. Your never going to sell that Martin was the one who confronted zimmerman after zimmerman chased after him.

teeje63 wrote:

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Thugs generally don't need any motive to attack, that's why so many are attacked by these thugs. But I suppose the best person to ask would be the bus driver he "swung on" unprovoked, or are you going to tell me his was justified then too because the bus driver looked at him?

Two points here. 1) there is always a motive for an attack. Even thugs have motives. 2) Where is your proof Trayvon "swung" on a bus driver? Where is this bus driver? That story was proven to be untrue months ago yet you still are quoting it. Why?
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teeje63 wrote:

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No more speculative than yours. But yes, I do believe GZ. I would find it hard to believe him if his account of the incident had been told exactly the same during each interview. What you and so many fail to realize is that these inconsistencies you rant about are normal behavior for someone who has been through a traumatic experience. In the moment one may remember or forget certain details that they then remember at a later date. This is completely normal. If GZ had told the exact same story consistantly, I would have then had my doubts about his story.

ROFL. Zimmerman is a thug, and he is going to go where all thugs eventually go....his wife too..... just sayin.

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"what is the motive for T to attack Z completely 100% unprovoked? There is none."
Then don't you EVER mention that he reacted because Z was "creepily following him". You have said that was justification before, now you say there was "none".
So once again you are caught flip flopping...you can't keep your story straight.

Do you even know what "unprovoked" means?!?!? YOU F'N REEEETARD!

Tray wrote:

<quoted text> Why do most thugs attack innocent victims? Is close now confronting?

Why?

Tray wrote:

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I walked close to someone on the street today does that mean confront?

I dont know? Was it dark, raining, noone else was around, and your walking close to a stranger on the street? Then I would say, yes! >Somebody< is getting confronted....

Tray wrote:

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I don't care if you believe George but the facts are not in dispute. There is no witness to counter George's story so that is the only story the jury will hear. Believe him or not the state has no other story to tell.

ROFL! U think so.

Tray wrote:

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I strap everyday, the police strap everyday, judges, doctors, lawyers strap everyday, are we all looking to kill?

All? Not all.... Some. Bad apples dont get a free pass.

Tray wrote:

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Why are the streets not just knee deep in blood by now?

There is a lot of blood on the streets. No need to add more by shooting innocent teens who are walking home is there?

Tray wrote:

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Keep selling but no one is buying. Your tired arguments have been tried by libs for years and they just don't fly. Over and over the same bull has been feed but even most libs are not stupid enough to keep buying a dead mule.

Sorry pal, but more people think Zimmerman is at least guilty of manslaughter than believe he is completely innocent and acted within his rights that night. It will be funny to see you zimmerheads scatter like cockroaches when your proven to be wrong.

Where Is My America wrote:

<quoted text>You could not prove me a racist if you had a thousand years.

If the shoe fits....U racist biggot.

menards wrote:

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If the shoe fits....U racist biggot.

You are a hypocrite. If anyone is a racist, and a bigot, it would be yourself, because as much as been revealed in every last one of your posts.

menards wrote:

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Do you even know what "unprovoked" means?!?!? YOU F'N REEEETARD!

You ignorant, lying POS, "frustrated control freak"...get over yourself. Caught you in another flipflop on your own "story". Try and get your head out of your a$$...your sphincter is cutting off your air supply.

Marauder wrote:

it was a statement from a dispatcher

Oh, well, that explains so much about you.

You're a five year old.

Now all your nonsensical ramblings begin to make sense...

Michael Allred wrote:

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Oh, well, that explains so much about you.
You're a five year old.
Now all your nonsensical ramblings begin to make sense...

I doubt it mikey...you wouldn't know the truth if it hit you across your face...then again...the truth can't get to your face with your head stuck up your a$$.

menards wrote:

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If the shoe fits....U racist biggot.

You keep talking the same crap just like a rooster that makes the same noise every morning.

Michael Allred wrote:

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Oh, well, that explains so much about you.
You're a five year old.
Now all your nonsensical ramblings begin to make sense...

What the hell are you talking about ?

menards wrote:

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Why?
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I dont know? Was it dark, raining, noone else was around, and your walking close to a stranger on the street? Then I would say, yes! >Somebody< is getting confronted....
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ROFL! U think so.
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All? Not all.... Some. Bad apples dont get a free pass.
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There is a lot of blood on the streets. No need to add more by shooting innocent teens who are walking home is there?
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Sorry pal, but more people think Zimmerman is at least guilty of manslaughter than believe he is completely innocent and acted within his rights that night. It will be funny to see you zimmerheads scatter like cockroaches when your proven to be wrong.

To bad the law does not recognize following as confronting. I can follow you all I want and can even say a few things about your mother you don't like but that does not give you the right to attack me under the law. I never said "ALL" but I know personally a lot of them do. Sorry pal but you have not been keeping up with reality and the latest polls. Since the media has back peddled and the lies exposed George is now considered innocent until PROVEN guilty. I carry, many of my neighbors carry, but I don't see blood on our streets. Opps We also don't tolerate thugs around here either. I guess the thugs around here got the message and moved on to safer places to ply their trade. Trayvonites like you are already scattering back into your holes. NBC, Sharpton, Jackson, Lee, have all consulted lawyers on what would be a fair amount to offer George not to sue. Sounds like they already see the writing on the wall.

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You are a hypocrite. If anyone is a racist, and a bigot, it would be yourself, because as much as been revealed in every last one of your posts.

Has it? Proof?

Marauder wrote:

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You ignorant, lying POS, "frustrated control freak"...get over yourself. Caught you in another flipflop on your own "story". Try and get your head out of your a$$...your sphincter is cutting off your air supply.

Nice attempt to dodge and deflect, but you still fail. I repeat, you >DO< know what an "unprovoked" attack is right?

Where Is My America wrote:

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You keep talking the same crap just like a rooster that makes the same noise every morning.

Do you want to be the pot or the kettle? Same can be said for you.

menards wrote:

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Do you want to be the pot or the kettle? Same can be said for you.

That ones a dandy but Tray is the real head case on this thread.

In today's news the interim chief has removed the departments public information officer citing him as the source for the problems with media early on as well as being less than truthful with the Martin family. Essentially the department was stonewalling.

Apparently a memo was leaked, doesn't matter it should have been released under the sunshine law anyway. The interim chief should have known better than to make a memo and then expect it to remain private.

Tray wrote:

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I never said "ALL" but I know personally a lot of them do.

>ACTUALLY<, You did say “All” here is your quote.

Tray wrote:

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I strap everyday, the police strap everyday, judges, doctors, lawyers strap everyday, are we all looking to kill?

You can’t keep your own shit straight….

Tray wrote:

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Sorry pal but you have not been keeping up with reality and the latest polls.

ROFL. Is that right?

Tray wrote:

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Since the media has back peddled and the lies exposed George is now considered innocent until PROVEN guilty.

In the eyes of the court.

Tray wrote:

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I carry, many of my neighbors carry, but I don't see blood on our streets. Opps We also don't tolerate thugs around here either. I guess the thugs around here got the message and moved on to safer places to ply their trade. Trayvonites like you are already scattering back into your holes.

ROFL. You might as well hold up a sign that says "I am ignorant!" arch up and down in front of your house with a bullhorn shouting the same chant. ROFL!

Tray wrote:

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NBC, Sharpton, Jackson, Lee, have all consulted lawyers on what would be a fair amount to offer George not to sue. Sounds like they already see the writing on the wall.

Where is your proof, link, article backing up this allegation? or are you just making shit up again because it sounds good? ROFL!

RuffnReddy wrote:

<quoted text>That ones a dandy but Tray is the real head case on this thread.

"Tray" and all the other names she posts under.

Dr Phil will host the Osterman guy on his season opener this coming Monday, The show is pushing Zimmerman as the most hated man in America.

Osterman a career LEO currently serving as a Federal Air Marshall claims to be Zimmerman's best and only true friend. It was Osterman who housed George when he was first out on bond, he also claims to have taught George how to shoot. It's been reported that Osterman is about midway through a book which details the case.

It's also been reported that George is not pleased about Osterman's book or his upcoming TV appearance.

menards wrote:

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Do you want to be the pot or the kettle? Same can be said for you.

You dead wrong about that.

I was far more in Zimmerman's corner till he started running his mouth on TV.

After that I said we will have to wait and see how it shakes out in the trial.

You have never considered Martin's actions to be unlawful and there does seem to be a case for it.

You paint Martin like a babe in a mother's arms and that could not be more unrealistic .

Neither you or I know Martin but besides a gun shot wound what other injuries did he have ?

It does appear that Zimmerman did have injuries and Martin was the cause of them.

The fact that you are unhappy with Florida law and the police handling of the case in no way can cause one to find Zimmerman guilty of anything.

You want justice, yet you have already decided the case.

If you found yourself under investigation would you want people to show you the same prejudice and malice you have for Zimmerman ?