Trayvon Martin Shooting Shows Perils of Lax U.S. Gun Laws

There are 20 comments on the Mar 20, 2012, Bloomberg story titled Trayvon Martin Shooting Shows Perils of Lax U.S. Gun Laws. In it, Bloomberg reports that:

The Justice Department opened an investigation this week into the killing of Trayvon Martin, a 17-year-old high school student who was shot dead on Feb.

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#6584 Aug 7, 2012
Armed Veteran wrote:
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Wow...talk about tap dancing. Were you Ginger Rogers in a previous life??
And sorry, but "following like a creep" and "in pursuit" are your OPINION...not facts. And you are right. Martin wasn't obligated to do anything. He could have stood right there and not said a word. He could have hung around and waited for the cops to show up. He could have told Zimmerman to go f**k himself. He could have done a lot of things. But apparently, that's not what happened is it? He put an guy, who was LEGALLY carrying a concealed weapon, in fear for his life, and that armed man ended that threat. Who actually initiated the physical conflict is all Zimmerman's word against Martin's...and Martin isn't saying shit is he?
So George was not in pursuit of Trayvon?

Really.

What was it then? Coincidental that he ended up in the same path? George made a mistake in advising the police that he tracked Trayvon down when he should have said it just somehow happened?

LOL!!!

Good God.

Martin isn't able to say anything. Most murder victims can't.

What we know is that there's a dead unarmed kid who was headed home and would be alive if some freakish cop wanna be would have left him alone. That's what we know.

Now we have to sort out this little story the shooter has brought forward as a defense and determine if one - it's factual and two - if George acted correctly and three - determine if Trayvon attacked George for no God damned reason or acted in self defense.

From my vantage point George's goose is already in the oven baby. You believe what you want.

LOL!!!

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#6585 Aug 7, 2012
Armed Veteran wrote:
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Would you hang around to see if the guy was going to keep following you after you had a 2 minute head start? Or would you use that two minutes to cover the last 80-100 yards to get safely inside your home (or place you were staying) and call the cops???
I don't know. Remember, Trayvon not only was doing nothing illegally, was in an are of his own residence but held no obligations to act in any specific manner.

Not all 17 year old kids are going to act like you might and flail their arms while screaming like little girls who saw their first snake when something looks hinky.

LOL!!!

Fact is it was George who was in the wrong. He had an innocent minor in his sights and determined on his own to make the actions he did that night.

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#6586 Aug 7, 2012
Pam Jordan wrote:
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And your point game player?
You might want to look up the word 'fact' while you've got your Webster's Dictionary cracked open.
And it's an undeniable fact we've got a dead unarmed kid as a result from the shooting by an armed man in pursuit of what he thought was a criminal whose weak defense is that this gangly kid ambushed him intent on killing him unprovoked with his hands and his only means of avoiding death was to shoot.
I gotta ask.....who but a limp wristed pussy would actually believe this line of crap?
LOL!!!
The "fact" that I do know is Martin , with cell phone in his hand did not call 911.

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#6587 Aug 7, 2012
menards wrote:
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Oh, I dont believe George's accounts one bit. I believe Martin felt that he was in danger and his actions were 100% justified, thats my personal opinion. We've broken out the laws here before havent we? I see nothing that suggests martin was trying to kill zimmerman. Change up the scenerio a little bit. >IF< zimmerman states that Martin had both hands around his neck and was choking him, and zimmerman had the bruises to show, that changes things doesnt it? But a bloody nose and scrape on the back of the head dont do it for me. Just sayin. Nice 2nd failed attempt to put words in my mouth though.
And I am sure you hope the jury does not believe either.

Yet, there is no evidence to refute any of Z's statements of that night.

Lots of guessing on what z did or not do, the same sort of guessing what t was doing.

It will be interesting to see what "opinions" make it to court, and what facts make it to court.

I predict complete acquittal, followed by black people rioting in towns that have banned guns.

2 bucks says I am right.

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#6588 Aug 7, 2012
menards wrote:
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Would >YOU< put >YOURSELF< in a room with grandpa firing willy nilly and 2/3rds of his shots are missing there intended target and flying in unintended directions? Would >YOU< put >YOUR< wife and >YOUR< kids in the room with you?
Funny, I think these are two rather simple Yes/No questions, two simple questions that NOONE here wants to answer....
Of course i would. 5 grandpas aiming at the bad guy trumps one bad guy aiming at you. At least in terms of accuracy and lethality.

if you knew anything about ballistics and collateral fire vs aimed fire, you would too.

This is my second time I have answered. Sorry I am late.

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#6589 Aug 7, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>The "fact" that I do know is Martin , with cell phone in his hand did not call 911.
Another fact...he had no obligation to do so.

Here's another fact...no one knows what took place in those moments sans one dead kid and George who has every reason to lie.

Add to that another fact people should not follow strangers like creeps and think there might not be repercussions.

Are you that stupid? LOL!!

Go do some field tests given you just may be.

Take a day off and pick out some stranger(s) to follow. Eyeball them like some suspicious freak and follow them around. Make notes now so you don't forget. Then do it at night.

Chances are you're not going to be met with pleasantries genius despite your cries it's not illegal to follow someone...LOL!!!

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#6590 Aug 7, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>The "fact" that I do know is Martin , with cell phone in his hand did not call 911.
Here's the one fact this case is centered on given you seem all too eager to bypass it.

A skinny teenager heading home after buying some candy was shot dead by a man who was a stranger who would like for us to believe it was a case of self defense.

Why don't you locate a real case of visibvle self defense rather than sit by this tissue thin idea Zimmerman held the judgemental skills in handling this event correctly?

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#6591 Aug 7, 2012
Pam Jordan wrote:
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Another fact...he had no obligation to do so.
Here's another fact...no one knows what took place in those moments sans one dead kid and George who has every reason to lie.
Add to that another fact people should not follow strangers like creeps and think there might not be repercussions.
Are you that stupid? LOL!!
Go do some field tests given you just may be.
Take a day off and pick out some stranger(s) to follow. Eyeball them like some suspicious freak and follow them around. Make notes now so you don't forget. Then do it at night.
Chances are you're not going to be met with pleasantries genius despite your cries it's not illegal to follow someone...LOL!!!
You are Paranoid.

If I am walking on a sidewalk and another person is in front of me and we take the same turns it does not mean there is something sinister going on.

It does mean we are traveling the same path and course and that is all it means.

Please Note : I do not believe your insults or the over use of : "LOL!!" adds to your credibility.

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#6592 Aug 7, 2012
Pam Jordan wrote:
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Here's the one fact this case is centered on given you seem all too eager to bypass it.
A skinny teenager heading home after buying some candy was shot dead by a man who was a stranger who would like for us to believe it was a case of self defense.
Why don't you locate a real case of visibvle self defense rather than sit by this tissue thin idea Zimmerman held the judgemental skills in handling this event correctly?
I believe Martin was a football play and to his credit in very good shape.

I have seen him on video and I would not describe him as skinny but some one who works out doing weight , strength training.

You keep calling him a teenager and he was but he was 17 and people at 17 go off to war or like myself enter the Fire department .

I believe your use of the word "teenager" is for propaganda reasons and is disingenuous..

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#6593 Aug 7, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>You are Paranoid.
If I am walking on a sidewalk and another person is in front of me and we take the same turns it does not mean there is something sinister going on.
It does mean we are traveling the same path and course and that is all it means.
Please Note : I do not believe your insults or the over use of : "LOL!!" adds to your credibility.
Yeah that's it.

George just happened to be in the same locale as Trayvon.

He wasn't following him like some goofed up pedophile....naaaaahh.

You're an idiot buddy. LOL!!!

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#6594 Aug 7, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>I believe Martin was a football play and to his credit in very good shape.
I have seen him on video and I would not describe him as skinny but some one who works out doing weight , strength training.
You keep calling him a teenager and he was but he was 17 and people at 17 go off to war or like myself enter the Fire department .
I believe your use of the word "teenager" is for propaganda reasons and is disingenuous..
He was a skinny 17 year old kid.

Seventeen. Did you miss the 'teen' part? And they don't let 17 year old kids join the fire department you stupid liar nor do they allow them in the Army unless they have parental consent and only if tghey deem it appropriate even then.

Bullshit yourself but not others.

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#6595 Aug 7, 2012
Pam Jordan wrote:
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Opinion and speculation fill this bullshit burrito you're trying to sell me in claiming it had to be George defending himself against a life threatening incident devoid of his responsibility.
LOL!!!
What? Were you there???
By the way....the above is apparently your opinion.
DOH!!
LOL!!!
Thats precisely the point.If you weren't quite so full of yourself you might have seen it.There exists no definitive evidence that Zimmerman willfully set out to murder Martin.Reasonable doubt abounds.

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#6596 Aug 7, 2012
Pam Jordan wrote:
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He was a skinny 17 year old kid.
Seventeen. Did you miss the 'teen' part? And they don't let 17 year old kids join the fire department you stupid liar nor do they allow them in the Army unless they have parental consent and only if tghey deem it appropriate even then.
Bullshit yourself but not others.
What is your experience in the fire department that you could comment on it ?
Can you explain the two ways fire is extinguished ?
Can you explain the meaning of a wagon, pumper combination?
Can you explain the first job of any Fire Department?
When on scene can you explain the first two priorities in correct order?
What has been the primary use of fire extinguishment in the USA for the last 300 years ?
Can you explain why this has not changed.
Can you list the four classes of fire.
You are a horses azz and only impress yourself and I have not lied.
YOU LIVE OUTSIDE REALITY and could use a mental health evaluation.
I am waiting for your answers on the questions listed above .
GOOD F-ING LUCK !

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#6597 Aug 7, 2012
Pam Jordan wrote:
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He was a skinny 17 year old kid.
Seventeen. Did you miss the 'teen' part? And they don't let 17 year old kids join the fire department you stupid liar nor do they allow them in the Army unless they have parental consent and only if tghey deem it appropriate even then.
Bullshit yourself but not others.
Funny how you conveniently leave out how many 17 year old black males murder each other on a daily basis. Do Tell do they obtain parental permission before pulling the trigger? Additionally it is QUITE obvious you have no experience with violent confrontations.The "skinny 17 yr old kid" nonsense displays that inexperience perfectly.

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#6598 Aug 7, 2012
Freebird USA wrote:
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Thats precisely the point.If you weren't quite so full of yourself you might have seen it.There exists no definitive evidence that Zimmerman willfully set out to murder Martin.Reasonable doubt abounds.
No one said Zimmermans initial intent was murder. But he killed that kid. And it stinks of not only irresponsibility but of ignorance on George's behalf. You're responsible for what you do in life....George is responsible for what he did and he's going to answer for it.

As far as reasonable dou bt there's a lot of that in thinking Trayon attacked Zimmerman without provocation.

This trial is going to tear your little hero apart is my thinking.

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#6599 Aug 7, 2012
Where Is My America wrote:
<quoted text>What is your experience in the fire department that you could comment on it ?
Can you explain the two ways fire is extinguished ?
Can you explain the meaning of a wagon, pumper combination?
Can you explain the first job of any Fire Department?
When on scene can you explain the first two priorities in correct order?
What has been the primary use of fire extinguishment in the USA for the last 300 years ?
Can you explain why this has not changed.
Can you list the four classes of fire.
You are a horses azz and only impress yourself and I have not lied.
YOU LIVE OUTSIDE REALITY and could use a mental health evaluation.
I am waiting for your answers on the questions listed above .
GOOD F-ING LUCK !
Err....it was you who claimed a 17 year old kid could start working for the local fire department.

I think that was the subject nutter.

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#6600 Aug 7, 2012
Freebird USA wrote:
<quoted text>Funny how you conveniently leave out how many 17 year old black males murder each other on a daily basis. Do Tell do they obtain parental permission before pulling the trigger? Additionally it is QUITE obvious you have no experience with violent confrontations.The "skinny 17 yr old kid" nonsense displays that inexperience perfectly.
Was Trayvon a murderer?

I've been around and had experience with youth. Most skinny 17 year old kids are exactly that. Your attempt at linking Trayvon as being some gang member killer is nothing more than fabrication.

They don't allow fabrication in court as being factual....FYI

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#6601 Aug 7, 2012
Pam Jordan wrote:
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No one said Zimmermans initial intent was murder. But he killed that kid. And it stinks of not only irresponsibility but of ignorance on George's behalf. You're responsible for what you do in life....George is responsible for what he did and he's going to answer for it.
As far as reasonable dou bt there's a lot of that in thinking Trayon attacked Zimmerman without provocation.
This trial is going to tear your little hero apart is my thinking.
Your "reasonable doubt" scenario has no standing in a court of law. Martin clearly initiated the physical attack as supportedby physical evidence.

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#6602 Aug 7, 2012
Pam Jordan wrote:
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Err....it was you who claimed a 17 year old kid could start working for the local fire department.
I think that was the subject nutter.
deflection and deception.

You claimed I was not a Firefighter at 17 and could not be.

You are a paranoid , delusional liar who can not stay on topic .

Further to the point of your useless rants it has never been proven that Martin was murdered as you claim.

You are a mental case.

Are you going to pepper your answer with "LOL !!!" ?

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#6604 Aug 7, 2012
Freebird USA wrote:
<quoted text> Your "reasonable doubt" scenario has no standing in a court of law. Martin clearly initiated the physical attack as supportedby physical evidence.
It's Zimmerman's claim dumbass. That same physical evidence can serve in demonstrating Trayvon was fighting for his own safety.

Not too bright are you?

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