Nutter: NRA Owes Officer's Family an Apology

waz wrote:

Was the NRA behind this shooting? Is it the guns fault the criminal pulled the trigger?
Nutter is who owes our city an apoligy for the breakdown in our legal system, which let these repeat offenders back out of jail in the first place. Nutter owes this mans family an apoligy, and needs to get back on his promise of cleaning up our city.
I agree, the weapon used is all to common on our streets, but a handgun or bow and arrow could have done the same. Our right to bear arms, which is our right to own to defend ourselves and our liberties, shall not be (infringed)revoked! Fine tuning though is how progress is made.

Zabel wrote:

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yeah, right waz.

waz wrote:

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Did you not believe I own a gun, and at the same time can see the good in modest change? I believe every law abiding citizen should own a handgun for protection. I do not believe in extreme left wing points of view as our mayor foolishly expresses. I call foolishness when I see it, so do you disagree?

waz wrote:

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Did you not believe I own a gun, and at the same time can see the good in modest change?

waz wrote:

I believe every law abiding citizen should own a handgun for protection. I do not believe in extreme left wing points of view as our mayor foolishly expresses. I call foolishness when I see it, so do you disagree?

Zabel wrote:

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I've seen you be nothing but foolish on Topix.

Highlander wrote:

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You remark 'modest change,' yet what you imply is degradation.
The right stands. Yet you would seek to 'restate' it to suit >YOUR< particular idea.
The right has stood already defined for 216 years.
You would have us respect your thoughts, yet you DISRESPECT our rights by attempting to define them in >YOUR< terms.
You would restate the already stated, and in the process change the meaning.
I have to wonder: What ulterior motive would it be, which drives you to attempt such?
Change a word here, a word there ...
Place a period or semicolon where none had been before ...
Isn't that the very same thing as forcing the American Indians to abandon =THEIR= language, culture and religion in the name of becoming 'white Americans?'
You know, change a little here, a little there, get rid of this, and that, adopt this and that, and pretty soon you're just as white as can be!
Or maybe communist, or socialist, or even fascist? Or all three, in one way or another.
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Right.
And in the meantime, you'll still push for testing of intellectual capacity, and demand licensing for capability, and of course —as you have said: Everyone is guilty until proven innocent.
Right?

Waz wrote:

So brainaics.....besides saying "You can not infringe" why not be intellectual and post alternate suggestions to my arguments of,
HOW WE CAN REDUCE GUN VIOLENCE AND GUN ABUNDANCE IN THE CRIMNAL ENTERPRISES
rather then just say my views are stupid and yours are right, and that is it.
Try being intellegent in a debate, and try to cite other ways we could work together to accomplish ending this disease in out culture that "would not infringe your rights"
The I'm right your wrong attitude gets no one anywhere, and meaning less debate does not advance our country.
Unless you continue to just post holier then thou slander as a need to improve your self confidence level.....getting laid would boost your ego better than getting a hardon for guns.

Waz wrote:

I seek intelectual conversation

Another Voice Heard From wrote:

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Here's a suggestion for you:
If you want to significantly reduce the crime rates, to include violent crimes using guns, legalize drugs.
If drugs were easily and cheaply available there would be a greatly reduced need to commit crimes to buy them. Tax them and balance the budget while you're at it.
Will easy access to drugs kill abusers? Yes. Sooner or later the numbers will stabilize. Will drug users drive and kill people? Yes. But drunk drivers do that now and we aren't going to outlaw alcohol again.
Punish crimes committed by drug users, such as DUI and assaults, but we do that now. Just don't keep punishing people for punishing themselves WITH the drugs.
Once you legalize drugs, you'd have more than enough prison space to lock up the violent offenders and thieves.

Highlander wrote:

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Umm, no. What >YOU< seek is mental masturbation.

Waz wrote:

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So a country full of legal drugs, creating drug addicts, should reduce crime.... I would think more drugs and more people on them would only lead to more irrational thinking and behavior and more crime. I grew up in a heavily drug infested area, and no good can come of drugs. MJ is the only drug in my opinion that could be used respectivelly by the egenral population without real consiquesce to tour country.
I do partially agree, I believe America should designate a part of montana or somewhere remote like vegas, where drugs are legal. Create an amsterdam state in america for each to have their own. Give the addicts what they want, but make them do it in a remote area far away for the average americans back yard.

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You lived in an area where the possession and use of drugs was illegal. Therefore, all the crime attendant to the acquisition and use pertained.
I do not doubt at all that deaths from the use of drugs will spike....but that will level off, in my unscientific opinion. I think OVERALL crime will go down if the price of drugs, due to their being available at say a liquor store, went down.

Waz wrote:

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I lived in an area where drug addict were the least of the police departments worrys. Enforcement was to blame there.
The criminals would commit less crimes to obtain the drugs...but more wide spread distribution would lead to more use and more crimes commited from using. Crack heads do not think before they act out.

Another Voice Heard From wrote:

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Perhaps, but once you shoot enough of them, the problem will disappear.
If they don't have to steal to get crack, their rate of other criminal activities will be reduced.