Is Albanian the mother of the Greek language?

(George Fred Williams 1914)- If we return to pre-history, before rapsodik homer sang to godesses and methodology heroes, before greek language was written, one well known nation lived with the name of Pellazg. Albanians are the only ancestors who have the origins from this powerfull prehistoric race. Recently has been established that Pellazg - et were ancient Ilirs. Albanian was the true language of Homer, as the Greeks have copied from rapsodian Pellazg their wealthy epos. Kujtim Shehu, Kacanik - translated from the book by Dhimitri Pilika "Pellazg - Our Denied Origin" who has completed an extensive research on the origins of Pellazg.

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Son Of The Eagles wrote:

(George Fred Williams 1914)- If we return to pre-history, before rapsodik homer sang to godesses and methodology heroes, before greek language was written, one well known nation lived with the name of Pellazg. Albanians are the only ancestors who have the origins from this powerfull prehistoric race. Recently has been established that Pellazg - et were ancient Ilirs. Albanian was the true language of Homer, as the Greeks have copied from rapsodian Pellazg their wealthy epos. Kujtim Shehu, Kacanik - translated from the book by Dhimitri Pilika "Pellazg - Our Denied Origin" who has completed an extensive research on the origins of Pellazg.
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Johann Georg von Hahn in his 1854 Albanesische Studien identified the Pelasgian language with "Ur-Albanian". In this, he followed earlier suggestions by Giuseppe Crispi (Memoria sulla lingua albanese, Palermo 1831). This "Pelasgian theory" of Albanian origins was shared by some other 19th-century authors but no longer has support in modern linguistic scholarship. It still has some currency as a national myth in Albanian nationalism.

N. Malcolm, Myth of Albanian National Identity: Some Key Elements, in: Schwandner-Sievers and Fischer (eds.), Albanian Identities: Myth and History (2002), 76ff

"The ethnic mix of the Greek-speakers of the Ottoman empire (Greek was often learned as a second language by wealthier non-Greek people) was as diverse as any in the Ottoman Empire, possibly more.'The islands and the seafarers from the coastal regions were distinguished by their peculiar ethnicity, many were of mixed Albanian-Greek origin'.
(P. 23 "The Balkans, Nationalism, War and the Great Powers" by Misha Glenny)

"The Koundouriotes, for example, the most powerful maritime family on the island of Hydra, who led a substantial faction during the war (of independence), were of Albanian origin'.
(P. 25 "The Balkans, Nationalism, War and the Great Powers" by Misha Glenny)

"As it is clearly obvious the Greek nation had many divisions and diversities within that had to be addressed before they could start telling the world that they are the descendents of the ancient Hellenes. Unfortunate though it may be, the modern-day Greek has more in common genetically with the Albanians, the Latin speaking Vlachs and the Turks than with 'Plutarch's men'."

"So too is the fact that in the early nineteenth century the population of Athens was 24 per cent Albanian, 32 per cent Turkish and only 44 per cent Greek."
(Simon Mcllwaine, The Strange Case of the Invisible Minorities, Institutional Racism in the Greek State, International Society for Human Rights, British Section, Dec 1993.)

Everytime I fart I speak pretend greek.And all the freeks on this forum speak pretend greek because they talk out of their arses.

For Christians of the early and middle Byzantine worlds, the terms Hellene and Hellenic generally (although not exclusively, since in certain literary contexts a classicizing style permitted a somewhat different usage) had a pejorative connotation, signifying pagan and non-Christian rather than 'Greek'"
(Britannica)

"It is a striking fact that the leading defenders of Greek liberty at this time were largely Non-Greek. Koundouriotis was descended from the Albanian invaders of Greece in the 14th century, and spoke Greek only with difficulty. His principal colleague was John Kolettis, a Vlach who had been Ali Pasha's court doctor at Ioannina. One of the few leaders who maintained resistance far to the north of the Gulf of Corinth was the Souliote ,Marko Botsaris, whose followers were largely Albanian".
(C.M. Woodhouse)

"According to anthropologist Roger Just, most of the nineteenth-century "Greeks,'who had so recently won their independence from the Turks, not only did not call themselves Hellenes (they learned this label later from the intellectual nationalists); they did not even speak Greek by preference, but rather Albanian, Slavonic, or Vlach dialects.'"

"The Academy was built with bequest from Simon Sinas, the hugely wealthy son of Georgios Sinas, a Hellenized Vlach whose family came from Moschopolis in Southern Albania, who made his fortune in the Habsburg Empire and was himself the donor of Theophilos Hansen's observatory (1843-6).
(P. 79, "A concise history Of Greece", Richard Clogg)

For Christians of the early and middle Byzantine worlds, the terms Hellene and Hellenic generally (although not exclusively, since in certain literary contexts a classicizing style permitted a somewhat different usage) had a pejorative connotation, signifying pagan and non-Christian rather than 'Greek'"
(Britannica)

"It is a striking fact that the leading defenders of Greek liberty at this time were largely Non-Greek. Koundouriotis was descended from the Albanian invaders of Greece in the 14th century, and spoke Greek only with difficulty. His principal colleague was John Kolettis, a Vlach who had been Ali Pasha's court doctor at Ioannina. One of the few leaders who maintained resistance far to the north of the Gulf of Corinth was the Souliote ,Marko Botsaris, whose followers were largely Albanian".
(C.M. Woodhouse)

"According to anthropologist Roger Just, most of the nineteenth-century "Greeks,'who had so recently won their independence from the Turks, not only did not call themselves Hellenes (they learned this label later from the intellectual nationalists); they did not even speak Greek by preference, but rather Albanian, Slavonic, or Vlach dialects.'"

"The Academy was built with bequest from Simon Sinas, the hugely wealthy son of Georgios Sinas, a Hellenized Vlach whose family came from Moschopolis in Southern Albania, who made his fortune in the Habsburg Empire and was himself the donor of Theophilos Hansen's observatory (1843-6).
(P. 79, "A concise history Of Greece", Richard Clogg)

Son Of The Eagles wrote:

(George Fred Williams 1914)- If we return to pre-history, before rapsodik homer sang to godesses and methodology heroes, before greek language was written, one well known nation lived with the name of Pellazg. Albanians are the only ancestors who have the origins from this powerfull prehistoric race. Recently has been established that Pellazg - et were ancient Ilirs. Albanian was the true language of Homer, as the Greeks have copied from rapsodian Pellazg their wealthy epos. Kujtim Shehu, Kacanik - translated from the book by Dhimitri Pilika "Pellazg - Our Denied Origin" who has completed an extensive research on the origins of Pellazg.
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you have think about this one philip...why would only the greeks speeak albanian and not skopjians
since u guys share closer borders then all of greece...sometimes u just have to think critically and get excited over anything that is published....use ur intellect

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"Even though the people of the newly established Greek Kingdom were of many different ethnicities including Albanians, Vlahs, Slavs, Turks, etc, each with a unique language and culture, the Great Powers instilled upon them the idea that they were the descendents of the ancient people who lived in that region over two millenniums ago.

After nearly a decade of contemplation as to which language to use, Greek authorities finally decided to adopt the Koine language as the liturary language of their new nation. They disregarded all vibrant and living peoples' languages in favour of the ancient administrative and commercial Koine.

Unfortunately, after two millennium of evolution, the modern version of Koine contained many foreign elements and proved distasteful to the Greek purists who wanted a pure language which was close to those of the ancient City States.

After nearly a century of using Koine, the purists finally got their chance to replace it. Their new choice was an old dead Attic language used by the ancient Athenians 2,500 years ago. The Greeks called their new language the Catharevoussa for its linguistic purity.

Unfortunately, this language had been dead for two thousand years and the Greek literary world which was used to the bastardized impure Koine, found it very difficult to understand and impossible to express emotion. Its use was finally terminated in the 1970's in favour of the bastardized Koine (Dimotiki)."
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i think philip is a spammer

It isn't a national myth in Albanian nationalism.
For examp:
"Women" in Greek language is=(greek)"gjineka".
In albanian language we have:
1.(alb)gjin=(engl)breast
2.(alb)ka=(engl)have
The peoples that "have" "breast" who is?
I think is a Women.

When Greeks are confronted by true history, they do not know how to respond. When they do respond, they frequently use the word which best describes their national pastime, i.e. malakas.

do u mean malakia? thanasi can u make me some traditional albanian food....like goat pen*s

The albanian language and Itza Maya language.
Short vocabolary Itza Maya compiled by Eric Boot 1995.In this vocabolary we have:
1.Chup(HO 11)=female,women/ and the albanian language has:
"cup"=female.
2.al(HO 73)=young, and the albanian language has:"djal".
3.bet(HO15)=do,and the albanian language has:...Une bej,ju bet..=I do,You do
4.but(HO 108)=insert and the albanian language has: "fut"=insert.
5.han(OH 109)=eat,and the albanian language has: "ha" =eat/Une ha..ata han=they eat.
6.na(HO 42)=mother/ and the albanian (came) language has:/nan=mother/.
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tzhm wrote:

do u mean malakia? thanasi can u make me some traditional albanian food....like goat pen*s

No problem, we are hospitable even to the likes of you. In which of your orifaces would a Greek like you put it.

What are you doing in the good old USA, why aren't you in Scurvia with your little brothers trying to get Karadjic into Greek monastery instead of the Hague.

If you want to demostrate your Wisdom about the origin of the greek people and the history of the arvanitas people i suggest you to read the book of the citizen greek (arvanitas) Aristidh Kola “Arvanitas and the greek people origin” writed in greek and edited in public in greek. Aristidh Kola was born in greece in the Kaskaveli campaign in arjon of tebe. He finished the studies at the university of atene and later worked such as the Owner of the arvanitas link in greece. In the year 1995 he created the Magazine "Arvanon". Him Book “Arvanitas and the greek people origin” was publicated 10 times by the greeks books house. you not think not all greek peoples have the brain hidden by the ill nacionalism and for this reason that they themself can't see, they think that the darkness is the only truth that exists. The greek Citizen (and not albanian or turk) Aristidh Kola maked "The language of the Gods" too, the pelasgic Zeusand and the indoeuropian error, and the "arvanitas link proclamation" of the year 1899 that because he cites the kosovo case moved by the love of of the ortodoks greeks (but i can't say christian because this offend christ) for the brothers barbarians ortodoks slavs (Perhaps there is some secret bond of blood?) also the book "greece in the kurthin of the serbs of millosheviç". I can advise you to read also other books of world famous author fron england, french or german that answers to the questions you writed, but knowing that greeks reads a little and speaks a lot, different from the ancient greeks (if really modern greeks come from ancient greeks, and this is REALLY a case to verify and not the origin of the albanians from illyrians!) i suggested you books writed in modern greek because it don't have links with ancient greek as i think a big part of you modern greeks aren't a small drop of blood of the ancient greeks. I think that the books of Aristidh Kola and the light bibliography where its based (the biggest part from greek historians) must be satisfactory to answer the question if arvanitas were albanians or greeks....This great wealth that hides the Albanian language in 1900 that some "dhespot" Greeks have cursed (what a horror to curse a language! And others continue to curse secretly today) is the only key to discover the history of the languages of the peoples of Europe but perhaps the mission that these people have on history ...
Maybe it is precisely this fact that nourishes the anti-albanian,anti-makedonian, anti-bulgarien incomprehensible to some European political movements.(by pelasgicmoon)

The Albanian language has been determined to be the oldest of the European languages by DNA/genes studies at Stanford U.(Luigi Cavalli-Sforza). In addition it has been determined by radio carbon dating that the first Indo-Europians came to the Balkans by way of Asia Minor and then propagated as agriculturalists throughout the continent taking three thousand years to travel that many kilometers, UK(Colin Renfrow). The Albanian language is thus the "Mother-Language" of all the European languages existing today. This explains why Albanians readily pick up any of the European languages and speak them without appreciateable accents.
Now as for the Modern Greek language, it clearly is a language which is a product of the Afro- Asia(Hametic-Semetic). Have you ever met a Greek without an obnoxious accent? This further explains that these so-called greeks have no connection with the ancients. Malakia need not respond!

Thanasi,You are "kok" in albanian language or "ok" in English.

thanasi i like albananians....the albanians i met have a respect for greeks....stop making generalizations...i like the usa what are u doing in the usa

Thanasi!My I-mail:
hasanbega@yahoo.com