Bakoyannis sends warning message to Macedonia

Vlachos ap tin Samarina wrote:

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Telika i hazomares tous den exoun oria!!!!
Siga siga tha akoume oti o Platon milage Skopiana kai o Kazantakis milouse Slavika!!!
Imarton thee mou Imarton!!!

Eimai sigouros oti arga i grigora tha to poun ki afto!

The Watcher wrote:

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You are totally wrong, I have nothing to do with this Makedo guy.
I don't want to repeat myself here but if you have followed my posts you could see that I do have different views on the matter.

Hey Watcher how ru?
did you hear the news?
Homer is now a Slav that traveled to Russia, Poland etc. Just read the posts of Mud for more details....
LOL :)))))))))

Macedonian until Death wrote:

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Hey Vlachos .
How are you my man ?
Look, don't blame me, im only sharing with you, for your examination and education .
Im just showing what i found, nothing more of that .
Read this
Russian - VIDET
Polish - VIDIETS
Ukrainian - VIHLIADATI
Croatian - VIDI
Macedonian - VIDE, VIDEN
Homeric - IDEON
Greek - VLEPO ?!?!
Another interesting asset to the theory of the Slavic character of Homer&#8217;s epics is the following example:
In Modern Greek the past tense of VLEPO is eída!! While in Homer's it is not listed as past tense but INFINITIVE! TO SEE means EIDON in Homer's Iliad, TO SEE is VLEPO in Modern Greek!
Therefore, there must have been a transformation that occurred over the ages! I am not saying that the form EIDON was lost in modern Greek, I am merely suggesting its similarity to VIDEN, VIDE, VIDOV, Slavic words, that exist in all Slavic languages with the same root, and can be traced as far as Sanskrit in VEDI, which means LIGHT or KNOWLEDGE!!!
Maybe the first authors of the Iliad, since it was orally transmitted before it was written down in Classical times, used a form of the verb to SEE which was of proto-Slavic origin or even Sanskrit!!!
The modern Greek being a fusion of Dimotiki and Katharevousa from the 19th century might have taken the term as the form for past tense of the verb VLEPO, similarly to the past tense form of the verb to GO in English which changes into WENT.

My vacation was Great short as always!!! so what about my test then!! Bring a Slavic Linguist from any country you mention and I´ll bring my niece she is here with me!! she is 12 and I bet you that she can translate better then ANY of your linguists!!

and think of this, did you think that this transformation happened the other way?!! That these words entered the Slavic language through contact with the Greeks!!!!

I still think my bet is the best proof that Homer wrote in Greek!!!

Makedonikos Agonas wrote:

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Hey Watcher how ru?
did you hear the news?
Homer is now a Slav that traveled to Russia, Poland etc. Just read the posts of Mud for more details....
LOL :)))))))))

Hi Makedonikos, thanks I am fine, and you?

I would avoid comments on such extremes non-proven claims, I think you know me well :)

Vlachos ap tin Samarina wrote:

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My vacation was Great short as always!!!

Hello Tasso, Welcome back!

Macedonian until Death wrote:

"Wine was always diluted with water before drinking in a vase called "kratiras," derived from the Greek word krasis, meaning the mixture of wine and water. The word Krasi is now currently used in the Greek language as the term for wine."
My question though, is how did all Slavic languages then receive the term VINO, where from, and how come they managed to preserve the term, while only the Greeks, who apparently created it, departed from it.

we evolved , you don't .

btw : oinos sound : inos
vino sound : Vino
do not forget , you hadn't alphabet till the greeks
kirilos and methodios come and find for you one
so writen must sound like it , not look like it

what about the latin ?
Vin, Vino, Vinum

Vinum = Nominative case. Used as suject of sentence. Vinum bonum est = The wine is good.

Vini = Genitive case. Equivalent to an 'of' phrase in English. Ampula vini bonum erat.= The bottle of wine was good.

Vino = Dative case. Used for an indirect object. Vino credite = Put your trust in wine (help from Virgil there)

Vinum = Accusative case. Used for direct object. Vinum bibit.= I drank the wine.

Vino = Ablative case. Used for means, object of prepositions, and more. Gaudeo vino = I rejoice in wine.

There are different plural forms. In the same order as above, Vina, vinorum, vinis, vina, vinis. Vina bona sunt = Wines are good.

by this most possible you got it from romans but from greeks

good job though you made me think a bit

The Watcher wrote:

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Hi Makedonikos, thanks I am fine, and you?
I would avoid comments on such extremes non-proven claims, I think you know me well :)

I know you do... I was just saying that all this is becoming more and more like a joke....
:)))
Pozdrav

call it with the right name , OMIROS (latinized lol)

Macedonian until Death wrote:

This promotes yet another view in reading history regarding Homer and his Slavic character. New theories arise:
-Homer spoke a form of pre-Slavic language.
-Linear B and the Mycenaean language was of the same make as the Homer's language.
-Slavic migrations in the middle ages, as promoted by the historiography of the 19th century never happened in the Balkans.
-Macedonians have always populated the Balkans, since the Minoan and Mycenaean times, and spread north to reach the Russian steppes over the ages.
-The Byzantine missionaries Ss.Cyril and Methodius were never Greek, they were Macedonians who promoted the Cyrillic script to all of the Slavic speaking nations across Eastern Europe.
- Byzantium was never Greek, it was rather ruled by Macedonian rulers such as Basil I the Macedonian, who supported the mission of the Macedonian scholars.
And the only conclusion that can be drawn from all of this is that Greece is promoting a false historiography in the world, which unfortunately has shaped its political agenda of modern times, which on the other hand damages the democratic processes of the Balkans as a region, introducing risks of grave nature, by denying human and ethnic rights to minorities within its state, and sabotaging the democratic processes of the Republic of Macedonia, on the grounds of those FALSE historical claims.
The promotion of these truths should be enhanced in the wider public to demonstrate the absurdity and irrationality of the Greek claim to the name Macedonia, and to provide a firm ground for the Macedonian truth to support the democratic processes in the region.

You know what ? I think you are right ! The Fyromians are in fact the Lost tribe of Atlantis !!! You gave the world the Light ! you lived here Thousands of years before and the evil Greeks came and took you land and put you into CAVES for 3000 thous. years ! Now you are back ! i understand you and i can feel you ! HOW come the world does not KNOW the truth ! A CONSPIRACY AGAINST THE TRUE Makedonians !the hole world acted against your people !
The true Makedons who made their claim 1991 ..?
in fact there are some more points you forgot !

- Greek Language came up from the slavic . Homer was in fact Homerovski the founder of Slavic language

-Linear B and the hole Mycinae Kingdom Was an expansion of ancient Fyrom ! Hellen was in fact from Skopja !
Menelaos was not the real name but menelaoski

-slavic migration did not happen ! its true ! they came from Atlantis ! the lost island !

-Macedonians where always in the area from the dinosaure times !! the hole world was going south the makedonians went north to the russian steps seeking for atlantis!

-Cyrill and methodius where never Greek ! they where Marsians !

-Byzantium was never GREEK ! it was Chinese !

-the parthenon was build by the first Makedons who came to Hellas seeking work !

- The Pyramids where build bz the makedonians who later on went to the north as always seeking for atlantis !

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hey no shit ! have you thought to claim the name ATLANTIS ? Its LOST ! so you wont be having any problems ! you can claim that you people left the island and then came where today is Skopja !

Rome is also available ! you could be having more shots there !

Macedonian until Death wrote:

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....
Read this
Russian - VIDET
Polish - VIDIETS
Ukrainian - VIHLIADATI
Croatian - VIDI
Macedonian - VIDE, VIDEN
Homeric - IDEON
Greek - VLEPO ?!?!
Another interesting asset to the theory of the Slavic character of Homer&#8217;s epics is the following example:
In Modern Greek the past tense of VLEPO is eída!! While in Homer's it is not listed as past tense but INFINITIVE! TO SEE means EIDON in Homer's Iliad, TO SEE is VLEPO in Modern Greek!

WRONG! In Homer the past form is "ideon ",
and the present tense is "orw" .The past tense at classic times (479-323BC) was "eidon"(the present tense "orw") and the past tense today is "eida".
So the past form of the verb "orw" (see "oracle"),or today "vlepw" is almost the same from Homer to today .The verb "vlepw" is an ancient greek verb , but it was not often used at ancient times.

After this "the slavic character of Homer" sounds like the joke of the day .The 98% of Homer's vocabulary is used with the same or slightly different form in the modern greek vocabulary.

The latin verb "video" is closer to your bulgarian dialect , but you prefer Homer because your problem is that the macedonian languge was greek.

Arrianos wrote:

<quoted text>WRONG! In Homer the past form is "ideon ",
and the present tense is "orw" .The past tense at classic times (479-323BC) was "eidon"(the present tense "orw") and the past tense today is "eida".
So the past form of the verb "orw" (see "oracle"),or today "vlepw" is almost the same from Homer to today .The verb "vlepw" is an ancient greek verb , but it was not often used at ancient times.
After this "the slavic character of Homer" sounds like the joke of the day .The 98% of Homer's vocabulary is used with the same or slightly different form in the modern greek vocabulary.
The latin verb "video" is closer to your bulgarian dialect , but you prefer Homer because your problem is that the macedonian languge was greek.

nase kala re arianne pou kaneis ma8imata arxeon, ke malista omirikon, sto laspa apo ta bouna.....
:))))

Makedonikos Agonas wrote:

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nase kala re arianne pou kaneis ma8imata arxeon, ke malista omirikon, sto laspa apo ta bouna.....
:))))

Na 'sai kai sy kala!

Afou to travaei o organismos tou !

Arrianos wrote:

<quoted text>WRONG! In Homer the past form is "ideon ",
and the present tense is "orw" .The past tense at classic times (479-323BC) was "eidon"(the present tense "orw") and the past tense today is "eida".
So the past form of the verb "orw" (see "oracle"),or today "vlepw" is almost the same from Homer to today .The verb "vlepw" is an ancient greek verb , but it was not often used at ancient times.
After this "the slavic character of Homer" sounds like the joke of the day .The 98% of Homer's vocabulary is used with the same or slightly different form in the modern greek vocabulary.
The latin verb "video" is closer to your bulgarian dialect , but you prefer Homer because your problem is that the macedonian languge was greek.

Don't you realise that 'Macedonian Death' is just a cheap stalinian-type ,kind of 'old game', propagandist and doesn't know what he's talking about half of the time?

lilalo wrote:

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Don't you realise that 'Macedonian Death' is just a cheap stalinian-type ,kind of 'old game', propagandist and doesn't know what he's talking about half of the time?

H periptosh tou einai gnosth , to periexomeno omws apo to post tou den einai diko tou , einai meros ths skopianhs propagandas.

Vlachos ap tin Samarina wrote:

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My vacation was Great short as always!!! so what about my test then!! Bring a Slavic Linguist from any country you mention and I´ll bring my niece she is here with me!! she is 12 and I bet you that she can translate better then ANY of your linguists!!
and think of this, did you think that this transformation happened the other way?!! That these words entered the Slavic language through contact with the Greeks!!!!
I still think my bet is the best proof that Homer wrote in Greek!!!

Im glad that your vacation was great .
I think we should have other bet .
About Ancient Macedonian inscriptions .
You bring your best Greek Linguists and i will bring my sister . She is also 12 years old and I bet you that she can translate better then any of your Greek linguists .
What do you think ?
Greetings

Macedonian until Death wrote:

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Im glad that your vacation was great .
I think we should have other bet .
About Ancient Macedonian inscriptions .
You bring your best Greek Linguists and i will bring my sister . She is also 12 years old and I bet you that she can translate better then any of your Greek linguists .
What do you think ?
Greetings

Which inscription do you mean? The Pella tablet for example?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pella_curse_tabl...
LOL.....

monkeydonian until death , how about we analyse that you have more in common with the ROMANS than us ?
but really why dont you think about it ? its an opportunity ! there is no land called ROME ! The Roman soldiers where Having fun with your grandmothers for years ! so you could name yourselfs the SONS OF ROME !!!! maybe Gruevski could Put Roman Hoplites at the airport like he did by putting recently Makedonian Phalanx at the welcoming of some politicians !! hahaha !

forget about Homer , you could claim JULIO CESAR ! he was in fact juliovsky Cesarski !! so you wont be having problems with the language either !

Macedonian until Death wrote:

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I think we should have other bet .
About Ancient Macedonian inscriptions .

Ancient Macedonian inscriptions!
LOLSKI!!!

Ok Muddy, show us these Ancient FYROMian lengvich inscriptions.

Macedonian until Death wrote:

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CHAMPION !
LOOK WHAT I FOUND MY FRIEND
IT BLOW UP YOUR MIND AWAY
READ ALL ABOUT IT
Homer's Slavic Character LOL !!!
Homeric - modern Macedonian (English)
paimiti(s)- pamti; (to remember)
veido, veiden - vide;(to see)
ischare - izgore, skara;(to burn, scorch)
idri - itar;(cunning, clever)
kotule - kotle;(cauldron)
okkos - oko; (eye)
steno - stenka;(yell)
pliscios - seli, preseli; (move out)
oditis - odi od odenje.(go, walk)
Homer's - modern Macedonian - Greek - English
esthio - jade/jestivo - mintros - to eat
bia,bie - bie,ubie - sfodros,ormitikos - to beat by force
dolicho - dolgo - makros - long
foinos - vino - krasi - wine
mortos - mrtov - nekros - dead
pricis - pretci - kovo - ancestors
Homer: DAVER - Macedonian: DEVER - English: brother-in-law
Homer: SVEKURO - Macedonian: SVEKOR - English: father-in-law
Homer: SVEKURA - Macedonian: SVEKRVA - English: mother-in-law
Homer: GOIOVA - Macedonian: ZOLVA - English: sister-in-law
Homer: EITERI,EITERVI - Macedonian: JETRVA - English: husband's sister
Homer: INIS,SINU- Macedonian: SIN - English: son
Homer: SNUKO,SNUSO - Macedonian: SNAJKA - English: daughter-in-law
Homer: TETA,TETE - Macedonian: TETA,TETKA - English: aunt
Homer: TATE - Macedonian: TATE,TATKO - English: father
Homer: MALA - Macedonian: MAJKA - English: mother
Homer: VESTIA,EVESTI - Macedonian: NEVESTA - English: bride
Homer: DORA,DARA - Macedonian: DAR, DARUVA

NOT AGAIN!!!! Don't you have anything better to write than bull? Even this "Nnot Egyptian but Slav" theory is less laughable than this one...

You take some words out of the hundreds of thaousands of Homer's masterpieces and because they might have a similar pronunciation in your language it means that Homer wrote Slav!!???

First of all, all those "pronunciations are WRONG... you take th (as in THat) for example and you call it D... Oinos is a Greek word that is still in FULL USE today, as you can see on any bottle of Greek wine you taste. Vin and its ue in all other language (wein, wine, vino etc) is DERIVED from the Greek Foinos and not vice versa... and even if it didn't (you can easily find the etymology of wine... do it...) it would only mnean that you use a word along with everybody else... Using Greek words in your language does not of course mean that Greek is Slav nor that Slav is Greek... And of course your relevant question is ridiculous since most nations ALL OVER THE PLANET use this word for wine (W was in Old English and still is in German pronounced as V...). And of course the Greeks used the word oinos for millenia before substituting it with "krasi" in their colloquial language. And of course in the 9th and 10th centuries the common Greeks called wine OINOS and of course they still do although when formally speaking of it.

So... your nre theories that arise are lame as always... Not a single sane deduction... You treat Homeric Greek as a non existant language when his workd are fully there and of cours classified by EVERY AUTHORITY as Greek. Most texts are partialy understandable by even common Greeks without any special education. I would love to see how understandble they are to Slavs... Even you... Why don't you provide us with the FYROMian translation of the text YOU selected?