The rise of Turkey in the Balkans

Jul 11, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: SETimes news

Turkey has played a moderator role between Serbia and the tripartite BiH presidency.

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Aristofanis wrote:
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Would you be able please to tell me why in OHIO U.S.A women cannot wear shiny shoes?
It is a law bu why?
dunno.. perhaps the reflection interferes with the surveillence drones they have now allowed to fly over america

lol

if so? Shiny shoes for everybody.

Hell.. put mirrors on the shoe tops.

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You know that moron Faith?She's an idiot and she thinks she's the voice of America.I think she's some white trash living in a public housing.
LOOK at this,
In Vermont second populous state of America,

Women must have a written permission from their husbands in order to place dentures in their mouths....!

What a heck?

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dunno.. perhaps the reflection interferes with the surveillence drones they have now allowed to fly over america
lol
if so? Shiny shoes for everybody.
Hell.. put mirrors on the shoe tops.
Come on man...you know better than that!

Is it since shiny shoe acting like a mirror and her undies can be reflected to by passer’s causing traffic congestion?
What about those preferred no undies? What those shiny shoes will be shown off?
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We were never Bulgarians Milena, our language is south Slavic one - a Macedonian language, the modern Bulgarian (who too is south Slavic) is similar to the Macedonian language, and not similar at all to the so called "protoBulgarian".
REALLY??????????
LET'S SEE!!
READ THIS.

Vetserne Novosti: The "Macedonians" are Bulgarians in Skopje

The majority of the Slavs of Skopje are Bulgarians, now writes the Serbian newspaper "Novosti Vetserne." The newspaper reports that over the past four months, 2,200 Slavs of Skopje expressed and received Bulgarian citizenship.

The newspaper claims that about one million Slavs of the State of Skopje have acquired Bulgarian citizenship.

"This means that half the population are Bulgarians in Skopje, since it is known that the former Yugoslav republic has two million inhabitants," says the newspaper.

According to analyst Predrag Simic Serbia, the Slavs of FYROM passports take Bulgaria to have greater rights and protection in the EU which allows free entry to European citizens, says the Bulgarian Focus features.

"The ends are under great pressure. It is a country divided national, as recent murders, "said
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Serbian newspaper "Novosti Vetserne."

Ultimate Source List of Internet about the Bulgarian origins of Slavs in FYROM

http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/200...

Macedonia in 1834 : Slavs spoke a Bulgarian dialect

Tags: 1831, 1860, 1863, 1877, 1887, 1897, 1910, 1911, 1919, 2007, abbott, american, Arthur Douglas Howden Smith, babel, balkan question, Balkanologist, balkans, britannica, bulgarians, consul, consuls, durham, edith, Edward J. Erickson, Elisabeth Barker, foreign, francis, francis seymour, french, fyrom, galton, George h. Blakeslee, georgiev, history, isaac asimov, Ivan Kochev, jelavich, john foster fraser, John G. Leishman, karakasidou, keith brown, kemal h. karpat, laboratory, laveleye, linguist, loring danforth, luigi, macedonia, macedonian blog, mazower, mcwhoter, N.S. Derzhavin, peninsula, pulton. roberts, question, races, ravenstein, richard davey, salonica, scholz, shmead bartlett ellis, slavic macedonians, slavische, sofia, songs, southern slavs, sultan, taylor, tourists, turks, vaillant, verkovitch, villari, Vladimir Sis, william miller, William Milligan Sloane
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FYROM'S POPULATION ARE BULGARIANS IN ORIGIN,GENETICALLY,AND LINGUSTICALLY.
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You seem to be afraid of Kimon Georgiev, you have involved yourselves too much with him and do not want to give autonomy to Pirin Macedonia. That a Macedonian consciousness HAS NOT YET DEVELOPED AMONG THE POPULATION IS OF NO ACCOUNT. No such consciousness existed in Byelorussia either when we proclaimed it a Soviet Republic. However, later it was shown that a Byelorussian people did in fact exist.

[Stalin to Bulgarian Delegation (G. Dimitrov, V. Korarov, T. Kostov) on 7 June 1946]
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Macedonian History : Indisputable evidence on the Bulgarian Origins of FYROM’s Slavs based on contemporary Bibliography.

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The town of Monastir, capital of the vilayet of Monsastir, lies just about half way between Bulgarian and Greek territory. North, the majority of Macedonians are Bulgar, south the majority are Hellenes. The villages meet, cross, and mix in the Monastir vilayet. The reason, therefore, we hear so much about disturbances at Monastir is not because the Turks there are more wicked than Turks elsewhere, but because there is a persistent feud between Greek and Bulgarian political religionists.
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Monastir is an undistinguished, motley sort of town of some 60,000 nhabitants, 14,000 of them Greek, 10,000 of them Bulgarian, four or five thousand Albanian, two or three thousand Jew, and the rest Turk.

“Pictures From The Balkans” by John Foster Fraser (published in 1906), chapter 20.

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But who are the Macedonians? You will find Bulgarians and Turks who call themselves Macedonians, you find Greek Macedonians, there are Servian Macedonians, and it is possible to find Roumanian Macedonians. You will NOT, however, find a single Christian Macedonian who is not a Servian, a Bulgarian, a Greek, or a Roumanian. They all curse the Turk, and they love Macedonia. But it is Greek Macedonia, or Bulgarian Macedonia, and their eyes flame with passion, whilst their fingers seek the triggers of their guns

“Pictures From The Balkans” by John Foster Fraser (published in 1906), PAGE 5

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They visited the Bulgarian villages, levied contributions, and stored arms, so that on an appointed day there might be a rising against the Turk, and Bulgarian Macedonians be liberated from their oppressors for ever. Naturally they were greeted as heroes;

“Pictures From The Balkans” by John Foster Fraser (published in 1906), PAGE 8

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i have some hope that in years to come the inhabitants will think less of their Turkish, Bulgarian or Greek Origin and a great deal more with the fact that they are all Macedonians.

“Pictures From The Balkans” by John Foster Fraser (published in 1906), PAGE 17

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There was petty persecution; Bulgarian Christians crossed from Macedonia into Bulgaria proper and told their tales of woe. Then followed raids by armed bands of Bulgarians into Turkey. In time associations were formed in Bulgaria and secret committees in Macedonia to aid the Bulgarian cause. In time came a congress and the formation of the ” High Committee,” having for its object the securing of political autonomy for Macedonia, and pledged, in order to secure it, to take any action ” which may be dictated by circumstances.” The consequence was that peaceful Bulgarians in Macedonia were forced into the revolutionary movement, compelled to secrete arms, made to contribute to the maintenance of the “bands,” and were put to death if they reported to the Turks, or were massacred by the Turks because they were revolutionaries. However oppressive the Turks had been, however zealous were good Bulgarians to save their fellow – countrymen and co- religionists in Macedonia from oppression, the revolutionary movement, as it is in Macedonia to-day, is the outcome of terror and murder.

“Pictures From The Balkans” by John Foster Fraser (published in 1906), PAGE 179

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Basil II of Constantinople in 1014 decided to end once and for all a war that had already lasted forty years. To break the spirit of the hated Bulgarians, he blinded all but 150 of 15,000 prisoners. The “lucky” 150 were blinded in one eye only. Every 100 blind men were guided by a one-eyed leader back to the Bulgarian capital of Ohdrid, whose ruler, Samuel , had received word that his army was returning to him. Samuel hastened to meet his men and found himself staring at thousand of helpless blind men. The sight was fatal. Samuel suffered a stroke on the spot and died two days later.(Basil II received the surname Bulgaroktonos, meaning “slayer of Bulgarians”,)

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They population of Uskioub, consisting of Arnouts, Jews, Armenians, Zinzars, Greeks, Bulgarians and Servians, amounts to upwards of twelve thousand

“Travels in European Turkey, in 1850: Through Bosnia, Servia, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Thrace,…” By Edmund Spencer, page 28, Published 1851

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As the day was drawing to a close, we descended into the vast plain of Bittoglia, where we had to ford several unimportant streams rushing onward to the sluggish waters of the karasu,..With the exception of a few Greeks and Zinzars, the congregation consisted of Bulgarians, EASILY DISTINGUISHED by their short, thick-set figures, honest open countenances, and the unvarying costume, we before described

“Travels in European Turkey, in 1850: Through Bosnia, Servia, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Thrace,…” By Edmund Spencer, page 46, Published 1851

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Those of the vilayets of Adrianople and Macedonia , where, at the recent census, two-thirds of the inhabitants were found to be Bulgarians

“The Balkan Peninsula” by E. Laveleye, 1887, Page 251

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The unfortunate Armenians are at the present time most piteously oppressed and pillaged by the Kurds, the Circassians, and more especially by Turkish functionaries.‘Their condition is very similar to that of the Bulgarians in Macedonia

“The Balkan Peninsula” by E. Laveleye, 1887, Page 305

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But having lived now with the Montenegrins, the Serbs, and the Bulgarian ‘Macedonians,‘ I clung to the idea that somehow or other I must get right into Albanian territories

“The Burden of the Balkans” By M. Edith Durham 1863-1944, page 207

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Vatatzes was now quick to perceive the high tide in his efforts and decided to sail with the current. He ventured north to take Melnik, and continued northeastward to capture Stenimachus, Tzapaena and other places in the upper valley of the Maritsa, which became the boundary between Bulgaria and the Nicene empire, all without a struggle,“as though he was taking over an inheritance from his father”. He pushed on into the far northwest, taking Velbuzd (Kustendil) on the upper strymon; moved south taking skopje and trip in teh vardar region; then through Veles, Prilep and Pelagonia in the plains of Monastir; and eastward again to the Vardar where he took Prosek. It was a triumphant progress from beginning to end, but the end was not yet. In less than three months Vatatzes had overrun all Sourthwestern Bulgaria.

The Papacy and the Levant, 1204-1571 By Kenneth Meyer Setton, page 62

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Theodore Ducas began his spectacular reign over Epirus by an attack upon the Bulgarians (1216) from whom he seized the important towns of Ochrida and Prilep, extending his northeastern border to the plains of Monastir

The Papacy and the Levant, 1204-1571 By Kenneth Meyer Setton, page 43

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In Monastir also, the majority of the inhabitants is Bulgarian, and Bulgarian is the language in the market

“We, the Macedonians”, by Constantine Stephanove

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and Uskub, the great majority of the population is Slavic,… the middle ages until 1913 called themselves and were called by their neighbors Bulgarians

The Journal of International Relations By george h. blakeslee

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Si la Bulgarie, après beaucoup d’hésitations et non sans regret, a fait le grand sacrifice d’abandonner Uskub, dont la population est bulgare

Documents diplomatiques français (1871-1914). By France. Commission de publication des documents relatifs aux origines de la guerre de 1914

Translation: If Bulgaria, after many hesitations and not without regret, did the great sacrifice and give up Uskub, whose population is Bulgarian
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The writer who has frequently visited Monastir, can add his to mony to these pronouncements. The population of Monastir is Turkish, Bulgarian and Vlach

“The Quarterly Review” Published 1872, J. Murray

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Krushevo:
“In the house where the power resided, a BULGARIAN flag was put“: A wire of the Serbian cunsul in Bitola to the Moinister of the Foreign
Affairs of Serbia, 13 August 1903.

(Quote after Ilindenski Sbornik, 1903 – 1953, Skopje 1953, p. 40.)

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“The Bitola pashalik has been took over by general common
movement. Krushevo has saluted the BULGARIAN banner and
wants temporary to proclaim a repub

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Istambul, August 15, 1903:
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The political situation in Macedonia continues to grow worse each week.[...]
The real foundation for all the trouble is the desire of the BULGARIAN
population for freedom from Turkish rule, and were the powers to say to Bulgaria what they have already said to Turkey,“that under no conditions
would she be permitted to take one foot on additional soil”, the trouble
would be speedily ended , but this they will not do, and consequently the
twentieth century crusade against the Turks is likely to go on, as no power,
not excepting Germany, is to brave public opinion openly taking sides with
the Turks against the Christians”.
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Most of the Balkans were settled by Slavs of one of the two types.(excluding the smaller groups of Slavic Slovenes and Turkic Avars in the western Balkans). Each one of these two main Slavic groups was to be named for a second conquering group who appeared later in te Seventh century.The first of these two groups was the Bulgaro-Macedonians, whose Slavic component the Bulgarian historian Zlatarski derives from the Antes. They were conquered in the late seventh century by the Turkic Bulgars. The slavs eventually assimilated them, but the Bulgars’ name survived.
The Early Medieval Balkans: a critical survey from the sixth to the late twelfth century By John Van Antwerp Fine, page 36
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Until the late nineteenth century both outside observers and those Bulgaro-Macedonians who had an ethnic consiousness believed that their group, which is NOW two seperate nationalities, comprised a SINGLE people, THE BULGARIANS. Thus the reader should IGNORE references to ethnic Macedonians in the Middle Ages which appear in some modern works. In the Middle Ages and into the nineteenth century, the term ‘Macedonian’ was used ENTIRELY in reference to a geographical region. Anyone who lived within its confines, regardless of nationality could be called a Macedonian.
The Early Medieval Balkans: a critical survey from the sixth to the late twelfth century By John Van Antwerp Fine, Page 37
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It is the national identity of these Slav Macedonians that has been the most violently contested aspect of the whole Macedonian dispute, and is still being contested today. There is NO DOUBT that they are southern Slavs; they have a language, or a group of varying dialects, that is grammatically akin to Bulgarian but phonetically in some respects akin to Serbian, and which has certain quite distinctive features of its own.

[Elisabeth Barker, "Macedonia, its place in Balkan power politics",
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In regard to their own national feelings, all that can SAFELY be said is that during the last eighty years many MORE Slav Macedonians seem to have considered themselves Bulgarian, or closely linked to Bulgaria, than have considered themselves Serbian, or closely linked to Serbia (or Yugoslavia). Only the people of the Skoplje region, in the north west, have ever shown much tendency to regard themselves as Serbs. The feeling of being Macedonians, and nothiNg but Macedonians, seems to be a sentiment of fairly recent growth, and even today is not very deep-rooted.

[Elisabeth Barker, "Macedonia, its place in Balkan power politics",
(originally published in 1950 by the Royal Institute of International Affairs), p.10]

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May the heroic Serb people at last find the necessary moral force–and they have it, it dwells within them–to recognize spontaneously what has long and unanimously been recognized by history, science, and the national sentiment of the Macedonian population itself, which sees in the Bulgarians ITS BROTHERS in language and blood, and which has fought hand in hand with them for religion, life, and liberty.

[N.S. Derzhavin, "Bulgaro-Serb Relations and the Macedonian Question",(1918)]

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Apollo wrote:
<quoted text>REALLY??????????
LET'S SEE!!
READ THIS.
Vetserne Novosti: The "Macedonians" are Bulgarians in Skopje
The majority of the Slavs of Skopje are Bulgarians, now writes the Serbian newspaper "Novosti Vetserne." The newspaper reports that over the past four months, 2,200 Slavs of Skopje expressed and received Bulgarian citizenship.
The newspaper claims that about one million Slavs of the State of Skopje have acquired Bulgarian citizenship.
"This means that half the population are Bulgarians in Skopje, since it is known that the former Yugoslav republic has two million inhabitants," says the newspaper.
According to analyst Predrag Simic Serbia, the Slavs of FYROM passports take Bulgaria to have greater rights and protection in the EU which allows free entry to European citizens, says the Bulgarian Focus features.
"The ends are under great pressure. It is a country divided national, as recent murders, "said
REFERENCES.
Serbian newspaper "Novosti Vetserne."
Ultimate Source List of Internet about the Bulgarian origins of Slavs in FYROM
http://history-of-macedonia.com/wordpress/200...
Macedonia in 1834 : Slavs spoke a Bulgarian dialect
Tags: 1831, 1860, 1863, 1877, 1887, 1897, 1910, 1911, 1919, 2007, abbott, american, Arthur Douglas Howden Smith, babel, balkan question, Balkanologist, balkans, britannica, bulgarians, consul, consuls, durham, edith, Edward J. Erickson, Elisabeth Barker, foreign, francis, francis seymour, french, fyrom, galton, George h. Blakeslee, georgiev, history, isaac asimov, Ivan Kochev, jelavich, john foster fraser, John G. Leishman, karakasidou, keith brown, kemal h. karpat, laboratory, laveleye, linguist, loring danforth, luigi, macedonia, macedonian blog, mazower, mcwhoter, N.S. Derzhavin, peninsula, pulton. roberts, question, races, ravenstein, richard davey, salonica, scholz, shmead bartlett ellis, slavic macedonians, slavische, sofia, songs, southern slavs, sultan, taylor, tourists, turks, vaillant, verkovitch, villari, Vladimir Sis, william miller, William Milligan Sloane
CONCLUSION.
FYROM'S POPULATION ARE BULGARIANS IN ORIGIN,GENETICALLY,AND LINGUSTICALLY.
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You seem to be afraid of Kimon Georgiev, you have involved yourselves too much with him and do not want to give autonomy to Pirin Macedonia. That a Macedonian consciousness HAS NOT YET DEVELOPED AMONG THE POPULATION IS OF NO ACCOUNT. No such consciousness existed in Byelorussia either when we proclaimed it a Soviet Republic. However, later it was shown that a Byelorussian people did in fact exist.
[Stalin to Bulgarian Delegation (G. Dimitrov, V. Korarov, T. Kostov) on 7 June 1946]
THIS PICTURE THLEMAXOS IS THAT OF THE BABE AND IT IS A PROMISSE...!

NOT FOR WHAT YOU WILL HAVE BUT, FOR WHAT YOU WILL GOING TO MISS OUT COMPETELY!

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The National Revival Period 1

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The origin of the Macedonian dispute the south-east half of Slav Macedonia where the population was most nearly Bulgarian

The New Macedonian Question (St. Antony’s) by James Pettifer, page 12

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Where an overaching identity existed among Slavs in Macedonia, it was a Bulgarian one UNTIL at least the 1860s. The cultural impetus for a seperated Macedonian identity would only emerge LATER

Outcast Europe BY Tom Gallagher, page 47

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..descendant of Samuil, collected an army and took the chief Bulgarian town, Skopje, and soon came to dominate Thrace, Epirus and Macedonia

A Concise History of Bulgaria (Cambridge Concise Histories) by R. J. Crampton, page 23

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Among the Bulgarians of Prilep, after the ceremony in church is over, one of the brothers entertains his relatives..

Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics, Part 4 by James Hastings, page 79

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It is very interesting to compare together the different inhabitants of European Turkey, such as the Servians, the Bulgarians, the Wallachians, the Greeks, and the Albanians. The Servians and Bulgarians may be said to be nearly the same people, and appear to be more numerous than the Greeks;

The Edinburgh New Philosophical Journal: exhibiting a view of the Progressive discoveries..” Published 1838
by A. and C. Black – Original from the New York Public Library – p.240
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“In 1878 at the time of San Stefano, the population of Macedonia was about one million. Greeks inhabited most ot he coasal districts, and there were many settlement of Vlachs, Serbs and Turks: but many of the Macedonian peasants of the interior classed themselves as Bulgars.

Balkan Background By Newman, Bernard, page 53

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ONCE FOR ALL,LET ME TELL YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,AS YOU CAN SEE FROM MY PREACHER,THAT I HAVE DONE.
FYROM'S POPULATION ARE SOUTH SLAV-BULGARIAN IN ORIGIN.
1)GENETICALLY.
2)LINGUISTICALLY.
THEY ARE NOT MACEDONIANS,APART OF SOME OF THEM LIVING IN THE REGION CALL MACEDONIA.

CONCLUSION.
ANCIENT MACEDONIANS WERE GREEKS(NOT SLAVS)
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THIS PICTURE THLEMAXOS IS THAT OF THE BABE AND IT IS A PROMISSE...!
NOT FOR WHAT YOU WILL HAVE BUT, FOR WHAT YOU WILL GOING TO MISS OUT COMPETELY!
http://sl.glitter-graphics.net/pub/972/972550...
DEN SE KATALAVA VRE ARISTO.
TI DPULEIA EXEI AUTO POU EGRAPSA,ME TO DIKO SOU??

“Makedon therefore E/\/\hn”

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Alparslan wrote:
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you parasitical bqstard.you are main problem.your lies n beggary causing financial chaos over all europa now.
we know your genocides very well.macedonian minorty,albanians,cyprus turks n others.
my ancestors kicked gayreeks out.keep barking as much as you can.
it's OUR Europa and we do whatever we like with it and the chaos. None of your business. It's funny to see onlookers have a say to what they have no part in. he he he

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