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Bakoyannis: Greece will negotiate only for name issue

Only the name of Macedonia can be the subject of negotiations and agreements with Skopje, stated Greek Foreign Minister Dora Bakoyannis on the occasion of the invitation conveyed by UN envoy Matthew Nimetz to ...

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They need to get this over with and not make it such an issue.
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Aug 6, 2008
 
Chic wrote:
They need to get this over with and not make it such an issue.
That's why negotiations are needed. To resolve it asap and get this over.
Good day
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We Macedonians will not accept any new name on a referendum.
First Greeks must recognize Macedonian ethnic group, Macedonian language, Macedonian historic continiuty and origin, and give back the homes to Aegean Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia took after the ethnic cleansing in 1948.
We were enough cooperative when we changed the country flag and accept the FYROM prefix in UN.
Enough is enough.
Greetings Chic!

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Let's just get this over with.
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Aug 6, 2008
 
VasilyMK wrote:
We Macedonians will not accept any new name on a referendum.
First Greeks must recognize Macedonian ethnic group, Macedonian language, Macedonian historic continiuty and origin, and give back the homes to Aegean Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia took after the ethnic cleansing in 1948.
We were enough cooperative when we changed the country flag and accept the FYROM prefix in UN.
Enough is enough.
Greetings Chic!
If a referendum is to be held on your ethnic name that should be held in all subregions of modern Macedonia. The ethnic name you reserve for yourselves right now belongs to all peoples in Macedonia regardless of ethnicity, race, religion, subregion of Macedonia and language.
Remember that the Skopje regime is using the terms associated to Macedonia without any consent from the 80% majority of modern Macedonians.

“Si vis pacem, para bellum.”

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Chic wrote:
Let's just get this over with.
I'm saying the same. We will face the name dispute but they must face with the macedonian minority, recognition, rights and giving back our homes.

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Makedonikos Agonas wrote:
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If a referendum is to be held on your ethnic name that should be held in all subregions of modern Macedonia. The ethnic name you reserve for yourselves right now belongs to all peoples in Macedonia regardless of ethnicity, race, religion, subregion of Macedonia and language.
Remember that the Skopje regime is using the terms associated to Macedonia without any consent from the 80% majority of modern Macedonians.
The ETHNIC name ,,Macedonians'' belongs to those who identify as such!! Now do you people in Greek Macedonia identify yourselves as ETHNIC Macedonians or as ETHNIC Greeks??

“Si vis pacem, para bellum.”

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Makedonikos Agonas wrote:
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If a referendum is to be held on your ethnic name that should be held in all subregions of modern Macedonia. The ethnic name you reserve for yourselves right now belongs to all peoples in Macedonia regardless of ethnicity, race, religion, subregion of Macedonia and language.
Remember that the Skopje regime is using the terms associated to Macedonia without any consent from the 80% majority of modern Macedonians.
Just remember that you've opened the Pandora box.
This problem will continue with the questions of macedonian homes in Aegean Macedonia, recognition of Macedonian identity, language, culture and history. All documents about are preserved in Serbia, Turkey, Italy and USA.
I'm very patient to see what will Greece do then.

“Macedonians always were Greeks”

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VasilyMK wrote:
We Macedonians will not accept any new name on a referendum.
First Greeks must recognize Macedonian ethnic group, Macedonian language, Macedonian historic continiuty and origin, and give back the homes to ..........
Greeks knew and recognized Macedonians since the times of Herodotus and beyond. They have always been Greeks.

Macedonian is whoever is proud of that campaign that Macedonians did to spread Greek Language and Civilization to the World, right?

Do you think something else?

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petar wrote:
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The ETHNIC name ,,Macedonians'' belongs to those who identify as such!! Now do you people in Greek Macedonia identify yourselves as ETHNIC Macedonians or as ETHNIC Greeks??
It was by hazard we have been called Greeks. We use to have many ethnic names during our long History. We are proud of all of them and we will not allow any non-Greek people monopolizing them.

Ethnic Macedonian = proud Macedonian = proud of that campaign that Macedonians did to spread Greek Language and Civilization to the world = Greek of Macedonia.

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VasilyMK wrote:
.......All documents about are preserved in Serbia, Turkey, Italy and USA.
I'm very patient to see what will Greece do then.
Stop arrogance.
Respect littleness of your nation.
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Aug 6, 2008
 
VasilyMK wrote:
We Macedonians will not accept any new name on a referendum.
First Greeks must recognize Macedonian ethnic group, Macedonian language, Macedonian historic continiuty and origin, and give back the homes to Aegean Macedonians in Aegean Macedonia took after the ethnic cleansing in 1948.
We were enough cooperative when we changed the country flag and accept the FYROM prefix in UN.
Enough is enough.
Greetings Chic!
That country flag had the sun of Vergina on it, a symbol from greek macedonia.
And you didn't accept FYROM because of good will, you were forced to accept it because of the trade embargo that Greece imposed on your country as an answer to your abuses.
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Macedonians were negros from africa.They came with donkeys than called new country made of donkeys.
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VasilyMK wrote:
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Just remember that you've opened the Pandora box.
This problem will continue with the questions of macedonian homes in Aegean Macedonia, recognition of Macedonian identity, language, culture and history. All documents about are preserved in Serbia, Turkey, Italy and USA.
I'm very patient to see what will Greece do then.
I tell you what. As long as Skopje persists to discriminatingly apply the term Macedonian exclusively to the Slav Makedonci nothing will happen. The reason is that terms like Macedonian homes in Greece means a home, a building in the region of Macedonia. U c Macedonia is a region and therefore the Macedonian id is regional.

Talking about archives please read through this NY Times article on Macedonian ethnicities ca 1900:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html...

Pozdrav
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VasilyMK wrote:
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I'm saying the same. We will face the name dispute but they must face with the macedonian minority, recognition, rights and giving back our homes.
So are you ready to discuss the name issue or not?
Because on your previous post you said enogh is enough.

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Istor wrote:
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Macedonians did to spread Greek Language and Civilization to the World, right?

This is the first thing that babies in gr learn to speak after birth.

You are just another successful clone.
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petar wrote:
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The ETHNIC name ,,Macedonians'' belongs to those who identify as such!! Now do you people in Greek Macedonia identify yourselves as ETHNIC Macedonians or as ETHNIC Greeks??
As ethnic Greeks is the answer.
There are 2.5 million Greeks in greek macedonia and 100000 Greeks in FYROM.

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Ann wrote:
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That country flag had the sun of Vergina on it, a symbol from greek macedonia.
And you didn't accept FYROM because of good will, you were forced to accept it because of the trade embargo that Greece imposed on your country as an answer to your abuses.
The flag of Kuklish (now called Vergina) was a symbol of Macedonian Kingdom not of Greek Macedonia.
You cannot attach all symbols found on occupied territories to your culture and identity.
It's not Greek but Aegean Macedonia which is occupied by Greece.
We Macedonians trace the origin from Ancient Macedon and therefore we have the right of all that symbols.
And still we don't give up of anything ours.
Example: Flag of the Macedonian dominated district of Pustec.
This is from the region of Mala Prespa and Golo Brdo - Macedonian parts occupied by Albania.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macedonians_of_A...
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The ETHNIC name ,,Macedonians'' belongs to those who identify as such!! Now do you people in Greek Macedonia identify yourselves as ETHNIC Macedonians or as ETHNIC Greeks??
I identify as Macedonian too. And I think that I have a right to determine how and by whom my id and name are used.

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Ann wrote:
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As ethnic Greeks is the answer.
There are 2.5 million Greeks in greek macedonia and 100000 Greeks in FYROM.
Yes there are Greeks NOT Macedonians in Aegean "Greek" Macedonia.
Ann tell me in which regions of Republic of Macedonia this 100000 "Greeks" are concentrated. I really want to learn that. Enlight me.
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