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Harrington keeps title as Norman falls short

SOUTHPORT, England - By doing what major championship winners do best, Ireland's Padraig Harrington won the 137th British Open at Royal Birkdale by four strokes on Sunday, defending the Open title he won in a ...

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Jul 21, 2008
 
Harrington earned it. Great win!
Shooting sub-par on Sunday is awesome even though I was rooting for the Shark.

The Michelle Wie incident was uncalled for. The facts leading up the the DQ remind me of the moron in the scoring tent of The Masters when Roberto Di Vincenzo signed the wrong scorecard but tried (to no avail) to change it literally a few minutes after handing it in.
The scorer refused to allow a change and thus a DQ even though he really won it.

Bottom Line:
The Winner needs to be determined on the field of play, NOT THE SCORERS TENT!

Get a grip LPGA.
It's embarrassing how a self imposed rule, that should have no effect on play, disqualified someone that could have won Sunday.
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Jul 21, 2008
 
Laughing
Fact is, it is the rule, and every player does know it
You may think it ridiculous, but scoring and checking your own and your competitors cards is part of your responsibility as a tournament golfer
Don't blame the LPGA, blame the person who did not follow the rule.

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Jul 22, 2008
 
socalgawfer wrote:
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Fact is, it is the rule, and every player does know it
You may think it ridiculous, but scoring and checking your own and your competitors cards is part of your responsibility as a tournament golfer
Don't blame the LPGA, blame the person who did not follow the rule.
Read the actual account of the events. She signed her score card.

Fact that she signed a few minutes after leaving a tent should be irrelevant.

Here's the problems with your following rules for rules sake:

1) Her score was correct & didn't change.
2) There was no advantage gained.
3) The person shooting the lowest score on the golf course should play/win.

In my opinion, this ruling simply flies in the face of the competitive spirit of tournament golf and needs to be changed in 2 ways.

1) The scorecard needs to be signed simply before the official scoring closes for the day.

2) If not, then there needs to be a statute of limitations should apply so that this snafu couldn't be continued into the next days play.
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Jul 22, 2008
 
There has to be a time limit and/or an area for the players to sign their scorecard. There is an area, this case the tent area. She did not sign her card until after she had left the area and a volunteer ran her down and told her. So, where do you draw the line??????? Call her at her hotel that night and remind her???? Remember, she left without signing her card. Thats a rule everybody knows. You have to draw the line somewhere. If it was a big problem over the years you would think pressure would be on the LPGA, and the PGA, to change the rules. There hasn't been since it isn't a problem. It would be interesting if this happened to someone on the cut line instead of Wie. Would we be talking about this right now???? I don't think so.

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There has to be a time limit and/or an area for the players to sign their scorecard. There is an area, this case the tent area. She did not sign her card until after she had left the area and a volunteer ran her down and told her. So, where do you draw the line??????? Call her at her hotel that night and remind her???? Remember, she left without signing her card. Thats a rule everybody knows. You have to draw the line somewhere. If it was a big problem over the years you would think pressure would be on the LPGA, and the PGA, to change the rules. There hasn't been since it isn't a problem. It would be interesting if this happened to someone on the cut line instead of Wie. Would we be talking about this right now???? I don't think so.
It's not an issue anymore because common sense rules over rigidity after the Di Vencenzo case at The Masters.
The rotten old SOB refused to return his card to make the correction!
I believe they quietly dealt with that persons ability to ruin a tournament from that point forward.

Draw the line at close of scoring for the day works for me but not the tent rule.

Are you telling me that if she had collapsed in the tent before signing and was taken to another area for first aid, or just fresh air, she should or would be disqualified?

Common sense and interpreting the rule in the spirit & intent of the rule would say, NO.
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Jul 23, 2008
 
Funny, it is not an interpretation of the rule issue.
If you leave the defined scoring area without signing your card the penalty is disqualification. It is posted in the LPGA rules of competition
And (likely) posted on an info board each week
The PGA TOUR has a similar rule, but are now better run after sinilar player foul ups. It is almost impossible to get out of the scoring trailer/tent on the mens tour without signing your card, unless your are trying to NOT sign it
The rule may not work for you, but it did work for every other player that week (aside from Michelle).
This is no different than finding your ball AFTER a 5 minute search, or having your ball move after you address it. It is a penalty, and it's harsh, but the rule is the same for all of the players
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Jul 24, 2008
 
Rule 6.6c is quite clear in that as soon as the player gives the card to the "committee" no changes can be made to the card. Note "card" includes the player's signature. The fact is the golfer failed to do one of the few things they are required to do when they enter the scoring tent. The DQ was in order.

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Jul 24, 2008
 
socalgawfer wrote:
Funny, it is not an interpretation of the rule issue.
If you leave the defined scoring area without signing your card the penalty is disqualification. It is posted in the LPGA rules of competition
And (likely) posted on an info board each week
The PGA TOUR has a similar rule, but are now better run after sinilar player foul ups. It is almost impossible to get out of the scoring trailer/tent on the mens tour without signing your card, unless your are trying to NOT sign it
The rule may not work for you, but it did work for every other player that week (aside from Michelle).
This is no different than finding your ball AFTER a 5 minute search, or having your ball move after you address it. It is a penalty, and it's harsh, but the rule is the same for all of the players
Understand where you're trying to go but your analogy doesn't compare.

The 5 minute rule is to keep the game going after a reasonable amount of time so the rest of the players can continue as well. No comparison to anything involved AFTER the round is over.

The penalty for ball moving after address is of no similar connection either. This rule is to ensure that no unfair advantage can be taken by a player during the round.
No comparison to anything involved AFTER the round is over.

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Jul 24, 2008
 
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People like this are the reason illegals are looking at amnesty. The fact that they came here illegally is all that needs to be said, but the fact is that you like to coddle them instead of holding everyone to the same laws everyone else lives by.
She has the same rules to follow as anyone else. It IS NOT THE JOB OF A VOLUNTEER to grab Wie and cry for her that she's about to leave the official scoring perimeter. She's lucky anyone grabbed her at all. She wants to be 18, act it, you are now a woman believe it or not. And volunteers aren't there to wipe your **** after you take a **** either. And Laughing, if you can't understand that, I imagine your daughter is probably the one that its not her fault she was caught being a prostitute because the police didn't warn her the first time right?
By the way, the best $20 spent anywhere so I hear.
Tiger wasn't at the British Open, that's why this Open doesn't count, and neither will the PGA.
When someone who's won about 60% or more in the past 2 years is out, that's enough to influence how the tournament plays out. That's a mental thing the tournament players didn't have to deal with last week. Padraig pulled great shots off. I would have loved to see that against Tiger in the final group with about 100% more nerves in play.
I doubt he would have.
Hey bonehead, I'm against illegal immigration and amnesty so let's stick to golf.

If you think rules are more important than the intent and big piture, let me give you a real scenario and watch it squash your theory.

A man is driving along and notices a cop with lights on behind him, sees he's 20+ over the speed limit, panics and starts to have a mild heart attack while pulling over.

The cop walks up, asks for license and registration but the driver explains that he needs to get to a home to take his nitro pills or get to the hospital.

The cop says: LICENSE & REGISTRATION PLEASE!

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Jul 24, 2008
 
Lensattic wrote:
Rule 6.6c is quite clear in that as soon as the player gives the card to the "committee" no changes can be made to the card. Note "card" includes the player's signature. The fact is the golfer failed to do one of the few things they are required to do when they enter the scoring tent. The DQ was in order.
Just one of the rules that needs broadening and gets changed or discussed for change every year.

I'm all for rules that prevent someone from getting an unfair advantage but after the last putt is dropped, the scoring tent rule is overboard.
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Jul 24, 2008
 
It's even worse that Wie continues to try to play where she can not win - on the PGA tour. She can't even sign her score card and has never won on the LPGA tour.

I wish the men's tour would have a rule that a woman has to have won 10 LPGA tournaments before showing up on the PGA.

Is this like girls wanting to be boy scouts? I think this is like Nike saying she needs a bigger stage.
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Jul 24, 2008
 
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Hey bonehead, I'm against illegal immigration and amnesty so let's stick to golf.
If you think rules are more important than the intent and big piture, let me give you a real scenario and watch it squash your theory.
A man is driving along and notices a cop with lights on behind him, sees he's 20+ over the speed limit, panics and starts to have a mild heart attack while pulling over.
The cop walks up, asks for license and registration but the driver explains that he needs to get to a home to take his nitro pills or get to the hospital.
The cop says: LICENSE & REGISTRATION PLEASE!
I see where you are going but your analogy is all wrong. Traffic situations have nothing to do with golf after the round is over. Just kidding with you.

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Jul 24, 2008
 
Local Guy wrote:
It's even worse that Wie continues to try to play where she can not win - on the PGA tour. She can't even sign her score card and has never won on the LPGA tour.
I wish the men's tour would have a rule that a woman has to have won 10 LPGA tournaments before showing up on the PGA.
Is this like girls wanting to be boy scouts? I think this is like Nike saying she needs a bigger stage.
Agree that the novelty of playing with the boys is over and she needs to focus on learning how to win at a lower level.
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Jul 25, 2008
 
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Agree that the novelty of playing with the boys is over and she needs to focus on learning how to win at a lower level.
I wouldn't say lower level - just women's level. If Wie focused on her game, she could dominate the LPGA. It may take about 3 years to develop, but she has the skills. I really don't care if Wie falls off the face of the Earth - I'm a Paula Creamer fan.

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Nope, you proved my other theory right, a majority of southerners are retarded and you should be the leader, because you are so retarded.
To group people you don't know like this tells me a lot about your insecurities. I hope you overcome this someday.

Glad you're going back to wherever so you can be comfortable again.

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Don't let my ISP fool you, as I know you are from the south and very slow, almost nearing mental retardation, and don't worry, I am leaving to go back to NY next week, but in the meantime, you missed the analogy you just made a dick of yourself for criticizing. A rule is a rule. They all apply, obviously those were a few different rules so why would they compare technically? I mean, they address different facets of the game nimrod. However, they all share in common that ALL players are held to the same standard of living by the same rules. YOu can't shine ****, and your point is SHIT
Bwahahaha! Tell me something tard.

Does the USGA and R&A every change the rules? Yes?

So would that mean the previous version was lacking? Yes?

Am I going a little too fast for you?

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Local Guy wrote:
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I wouldn't say lower level - just women's level. If Wie focused on her game, she could dominate the LPGA. It may take about 3 years to develop, but she has the skills. I really don't care if Wie falls off the face of the Earth - I'm a Paula Creamer fan.
I like creamer too.
Would like to see wie have success but hope these falls are taken as learning experiences by her instead of crushing failures. She's very young and that kind of pressure buries a lot of people.
Local kid Ty Tryon comes to mind.

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You keep making yourself look dumb. Until the rule is changed, the rule IS THE RULE. your traffic analogy is ****, sorta like the **** your mom took out of her vagina when you were born.
If the rule is 20mph Einstein, and the rule is discussed that we should change it to 30 because its on a straightaway, the fact is that until into legislation (you know what that word means?), the 20mph rule is still enforced.
Tomorrow's speculation does nothing for todays' Wie not signing her card. get her daddy's dick out of your **** you blowhard.
I bet you'd forgoe the death penalty if someone just strangled someone instead of cutting their heads off.... the destination is the same, the person is dead, there is no exception to that rule but you're obviously of retarded hard core liberal mind so go give peace a chance.
Hey tard,
I see you going way overboard and would like to remind you to take the prescribed medication.

BTW, I think the death penalty is underutilized. Bwahahaha!

Have a nice day :-)
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Jul 25, 2008
 
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I like creamer too.
Would like to see wie have success but hope these falls are taken as learning experiences by her instead of crushing failures. She's very young and that kind of pressure buries a lot of people.
Local kid Ty Tryon comes to mind.
Good point. Ty Tryon - forgot about him.

The media can crush you in a hurry if you don't have success right away. Wie has made bad decisions about her career - like many kids would. I hope she gets on track.

I had the pleasure to talk with Paula Creamer's mom at the LPGA Stanford tournament. A really nice lady who, along with her husband, supports and guides Paula in a way that a young lady needs. Wie doesn't seem to have this - too bad.

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Good point. Ty Tryon - forgot about him.
The media can crush you in a hurry if you don't have success right away. Wie has made bad decisions about her career - like many kids would. I hope she gets on track.
I had the pleasure to talk with Paula Creamer's mom at the LPGA Stanford tournament. A really nice lady who, along with her husband, supports and guides Paula in a way that a young lady needs. Wie doesn't seem to have this - too bad.
Yes, it's good to see solid supportive parents instead of the overbearing type that punches you in the nose like Sean O'Hairs father.

Just goes to show you there's 'more than one way to skin a cat' so to speak.

Noticed Natalie Gulbis's father walking with her when I crossed her path at this year's Ginn Open.

She seems like a real sweetheart and made a point to say hello to everyone as she chose to walk outside the ropes with the patrons.

The gals are fun to watch and seem to have the makings of several good rivalries with youth being served lately. Ochoa, Pressel, Creamer, Park(s), Kerr, Petterson, etc. etc.
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