DVD movies can be copied, but not easily

The question about copying DVD's. Very simple answer, if you google looking for software you will find hundreds, but most of them are useless. Google "Slysoft". Not only do they have "one click" dvd copying, which is the easiest you can possibly ask for, they also have a program which removes the security on some dvd's which dont allow you do copy it. I have over 2000 movies now copied, each one takes about 30 minutes.

justin w wrote:

The question about copying DVD's. Very simple answer, if you google looking for software you will find hundreds, but most of them are useless. Google "Slysoft". Not only do they have "one click" dvd copying, which is the easiest you can possibly ask for, they also have a program which removes the security on some dvd's which dont allow you do copy it. I have over 2000 movies now copied, each one takes about 30 minutes.

Sounds like SOMEONE thinks copyrights and intellectual property laws only apply to other people.

So, you wouldn't mind if someone came over and took the rims off your car (or took your whole car) every time you got news ones, right?

The tools for ripping DVDs are easily available and clearly not considered "contraband". Why would anyone feel the necessity to defend "IP Rights" unless you (Mr. Sensible) had a business interest to protect. With your comment, you're assuming that Justin doesn't legally own his own DVD collection. The IP rights holder already got their money for the physical disc when Justin purchased it at the retailer. If he wants to make duplicate copies for his own purposes, he has the right to do that. Your analogy to steeling rims is inaccurate. Justin is NOT advocating that anyone shoplift their movies.

I purchased software called DVD Fab for about $50 and it allowed me to "rip" DVD's I ALREADY OWNED into MP4 format so I could watch them on my iPod. Mr Sensible...When you you start making sense?

For fair use like converting a DVD to mp4 so it can be used on a ipod video type player this is how to do it.

Anydvd from Slysoft:
It strips the copy protection on the fly.
http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvd.html
Free to try ($50 to buy)

Nero ReEncode from suite 7 or 8
does a great job stripping out bonus extras and converting to wanted format.

http://www.nero.com/eng/nero8-features.html

Mr_Reality wrote:

The tools for ripping DVDs are easily available and clearly not considered "contraband". Why would anyone feel the necessity to defend "IP Rights" unless you (Mr. Sensible) had a business interest to protect. With your comment, you're assuming that Justin doesn't legally own his own DVD collection. The IP rights holder already got their money for the physical disc when Justin purchased it at the retailer. If he wants to make duplicate copies for his own purposes, he has the right to do that. Your analogy to steeling rims is inaccurate. Justin is NOT advocating that anyone shoplift their movies.

Sorry, but as much as I ***HATE*** the IP industry and federal government for this travesty upon customers, it, unfortunately, IS NOT your right to copy a DVD for personal use. In fact, it is not your right to copy ANY kind of copyright protected material unless explicit permission is given to you.

Now yes, you'll say, "but I bought this DVD" yes... you paid for a SINGLE copy, in that format. You see, the studio reserves the right to restrict your ability to copy that DVD so that in the future, they may make additional profit from you when you wish to view that title on BluRay.

While it sucks, it is true.

The fact is, if what you said were true, movie studios would be selling us DRM-free (digital rights management) music and videos in raw digital form, so that we could then copy it to any medium we choose for ourselves. At first glance this would seem like a boon to the MPAA and RIAA since it would remove the cost of manufacturing and distribution. But they soon realized that by giving us pure digital form (whether protected or not), we are only going to purchase ONCE from them. Therefore, no repeat business whenever we scratch or otherwise ruin our media. Which of course is a dent in their pocket.

Until that day (which, technology is already in place to do it b/c the porn industry is booming on downloaded digital content) which the decide to limit their profits, it will never be your right to copy that media to the format of your choice.

Steve is an idiot any media copied on a DVD will be available for many years to come. PCs, DVD Players will allways be able to play standard DVDs. There are millions upon millions of commercially made DVDs what are they going to do destroy them all. This is not like the VHS to DVD change of 10 years ago. In fact you can still buy VHS recorders.

As far as copying DVDs. DVDSHRINK is a free downloadable and will copy any DVD move just about. You can also download movies and games from torrentz sites.

When you copy a pirated DVD Brad Pitt and Jennifer Lopez lose out on a few bucks of royalty checks. Instead of 20 lobster dinners a month they have to only have 18. PRICELESS!

Mr_Reality wrote:

The tools for ripping DVDs are easily available and clearly not considered "contraband". Why would anyone feel the necessity to defend "IP Rights" unless you (Mr. Sensible) had a business interest to protect. With your comment, you're assuming that Justin doesn't legally own his own DVD collection. The IP rights holder already got their money for the physical disc when Justin purchased it at the retailer. If he wants to make duplicate copies for his own purposes, he has the right to do that. Your analogy to steeling rims is inaccurate. Justin is NOT advocating that anyone shoplift their movies.

Thaaat's right, I am assuming that "justin w" does not have the resources to own 2000 DVDs (average $10-15 each even at sale prices) that he needed to back up for fair use (which is not the same as "for his own purposes"...my own purposes might be to make money).

And if he did not make a single copy of all 2000, then why did he need multiple copies for fair use?

Also, I think I would be more likely to take legal advice from someone who at least knows how to spell "stealing."

Copying DVDs so you can sell them or so your friends do not have to buy them is STEALING.(I know this regardless of how I might make a living because I know right from wrong and can think).

For copying movie dvds to dvd I've found dvd-cloner dot com acceptable, though many movies are over the 4.7 gigs that fit on a standard dvd, so first it cuts features back to vcr ep quality, then if necessary cuts back on the films pics per sec from sp to lp to ep as necessary, so rapid movement can be pixeled.

There are a number of reasons to copy dvds such as the ones you buy for the kids that are ruined the next day. Or to save gas/trips to the video store, rent four, copy them and return, watch then at your leisure without worry of fines. Or to get them back in the mail faster to your online video renter. As for being able to see them twice, haven't seen a movie in the last ten years I'd wanna see twice.

I think "Mr. Sensible" is a shill. As I indicated before he likely has a financial interest in this discussion and that's why he is taking this oddball stance. I'm not going to layout how to make backups, thankfully the Internet isn't run by people like "Mr. Sensible." The tools, directions and methods for backing up DVDs are freely accessible to anyone with access to Google.

The problem with "Mr. Sensible" is that his logic is why HDTV contains broadcast flags and why there are multiple layers of "Digital Rights Management" on Blu-Ray discs. There are many people who have Home Theater PCs and have a preference for keeping their media in its digital form on media servers for distribution within their own home. Some people want to rip their DVDs and load it onto a memory stick to watch on a PSP. Others may want to stream the movie on their home network from their PC to a XBox360 or PS3. Again Mr. Sensible is only thinking about piracy and his lost sales. Everyone isn't a pirate and people shouldn't be treated as criminals.

I don't claim to be a lawyer. But if you want to read more details on your RIGHTS, I would recommend checking the Electronic Frontier Foundations web site. Don't allow these greedy people to guilt you into not backing up your own discs.

http://www.eff.org/

Mr_Reality wrote:

I think "Mr. Sensible" is a shill. As I indicated before he likely has a financial interest in this discussion and that's why he is taking this oddball stance. I'm not going to layout how to make backups, thankfully the Internet isn't run by people like "Mr. Sensible." The tools, directions and methods for backing up DVDs are freely accessible to anyone with access to Google.
The problem with "Mr. Sensible" is that his logic is why HDTV contains broadcast flags and why there are multiple layers of "Digital Rights Management" on Blu-Ray discs. There are many people who have Home Theater PCs and have a preference for keeping their media in its digital form on media servers for distribution within their own home. Some people want to rip their DVDs and load it onto a memory stick to watch on a PSP. Others may want to stream the movie on their home network from their PC to a XBox360 or PS3. Again Mr. Sensible is only thinking about piracy and his lost sales. Everyone isn't a pirate and people shouldn't be treated as criminals.
I don't claim to be a lawyer. But if you want to read more details on your RIGHTS, I would recommend checking the Electronic Frontier Foundations web site. Don't allow these greedy people to guilt you into not backing up your own discs.
http://www.eff.org/

Hey, dicktard, are you smart enough to appreciate irony? Well, here's some for you. You say I am the reason for all the DRM stuff. Well, guess what, it's actually YOU (the thieves) that is the reason that the rest of us (honest consumers) are hobbled.

If there were not pirates and all you people who have these very creative definitions of "back up," there would not need to be ANY DRM. How's that strike you, you peabrain?

So, prove you are not a pirate and answer this: given that not ALL consumers are criminals, but there are some pirates, and some consumers are just ignorant (if you dispute these, then you are one of them), how would YOU make it easy for the legit user and hard for the pirates?

Why not offer some solutions instead of just whining about what others have put in place?

Right. I didn't think so.

It looks like we've hit a nerve here with Mr. Sensible. There really isn't much whining from the "DRM Free" camp on this issue. Most of us understand that there are ways of liberating the digital content from the DRM protection. It's those that are "hobbled" that are complaining about having to deal with the problems of not having a backup or not having the flexibility of putting DVDs on their video iPod.

The answer to the question that Mr. Sensible posed; is already happening. Diplomate, Soap and Tony have already mentioned it. You take matters into your own hands and remove the DRM. The community is in fact sharing this information as demonstrated within this message thread. It's those that are paranoid and afraid of the boogie man (pirates) that are the true whiners.

As I've stated before, Google is your friend:

http://www.google.com/search...

Mr_Reality wrote:

It looks like we've hit a nerve here with Mr. Sensible. There really isn't much whining from the "DRM Free" camp on this issue. Most of us understand that there are ways of liberating the digital content from the DRM protection. It's those that are "hobbled" that are complaining about having to deal with the problems of not having a backup or not having the flexibility of putting DVDs on their video iPod.
The answer to the question that Mr. Sensible posed; is already happening. Diplomate, Soap and Tony have already mentioned it. You take matters into your own hands and remove the DRM. The community is in fact sharing this information as demonstrated within this message thread. It's those that are paranoid and afraid of the boogie man (pirates) that are the true whiners.
As I've stated before, Google is your friend:
http://www.google.com/search...

Afraid of pirates? Your meds are either very good or very bad.

The only nerve you have hit is my up-to-now very tolerant one for dealing with complete morons. I have to admit that you have exceeded my threshold for stupidity (and/or purposeful lack of logic).

The people I am talking about being hobbled are regular people who buy something and want to make legit backups/format changes with no intention of cheating anyone out of revenue.(Wasn't it YOU who said most people fall into that category..now you are flip-flopping?).

Look, the average consumer is not technically savvy...not a pimple-faced geek like you with nothing better to do all night than research the specific bits needed to fake out the Sims disk 1 check so all your pimple-faced friends can save $50.

Some of us have productive lives with our time worth more than the couple of bucks you save by pirating disks. The only people that have the time to thwart DRM are the people who it is supposed to protect against anyway. So, I stand by my prior statement.

It is clear you are not operating on logic (based on your "conclusions"...or delusions...so far) so I won't waste my breath on you anymore.

Mr_Reality wrote:

It looks like we've hit a nerve here with Mr. Sensible. There really isn't much whining from the "DRM Free" camp on this issue. Most of us understand that there are ways of liberating the digital content from the DRM protection. It's those that are "hobbled" that are complaining about having to deal with the problems of not having a backup or not having the flexibility of putting DVDs on their video iPod.
The answer to the question that Mr. Sensible posed; is already happening. Diplomate, Soap and Tony have already mentioned it. You take matters into your own hands and remove the DRM. The community is in fact sharing this information as demonstrated within this message thread. It's those that are paranoid and afraid of the boogie man (pirates) that are the true whiners.
As I've stated before, Google is your friend:
http://www.google.com/search...

And if you meant it is pirates that are the true whiners, then I would agree...it supports my point. Look at all the whiners on this thread. It is also the whiners who claim all the creative legit reason they need to back up 2000 disks. It is also the whiners who share (or ask for) methods to "backup my copy of <whatever> in case my dog chews it."

Regular people don't even think that way...they don't even back up their hard drives with their family photos because they don't realize how quickly a piece of media can go bye-bye.