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What same-sex "marriage" has done to Massachusetts
It's far worse than most people realize
October 20, 2008

by Brian Camenker
Anyone who thinks that same-sex “marriage” is a benign eccentricity which won’t affect the average person should consider what it has done in Massachusetts.

The public schools

The homosexual “marriage” onslaught in public schools across the state started soon after the November 2003, court decision.
• At my own children's high school there was a school-wide assembly to celebrate same-sex “marriage” in early December, 2003. It featured an array of speakers, including teachers at the school who announced that they would be “marrying” their same-sex partners and starting families either through adoption or artificial insemination. Literature on same-sex marriage – how it is now a normal part of society – was handed out to the students.
• Within months it was brought into the middle schools. In September, 2004, an 8th-grade teacher in Brookline, MA, told National Public Radio that the marriage ruling had opened up the floodgates for teaching homosexuality.“In my mind, I know that,`OK, this is legal now.' If somebody wants to challenge me, I'll say,`Give me a break. It's legal now,'” she told NPR. She added that she now discusses gay sex with her students as explicitly as she desires. For example, she said she tells the kids that lesbians can have vaginal intercourse using sex toys.
• By the following year it was in elementary school curricula. Kindergartners were given picture books telling them that same-sex couples are just another kind of family, like their own parents. In 2005, when David Parker of Lexington, MA – a parent of a kindergartner – strongly insisted on being notified when teachers were discussing homosexuality or transgenderism with his son, the school had him arrested and put in jail overnight.
Second graders at the same school were read a book,“King and King”, about two men who have a romance and marry each other, with a picture of them kissing. When parents Rob and Robin Wirthlin complained, they were told that the school had no obligation to notify them or allow them to opt-out their child.
• In 2006 the Parkers and Wirthlins filed a federal Civil Rights lawsuit to force the schools to notify parents and allow them to opt-out their elementary-school children when homosexual-related subjects were taught. The federal judges dismissed the case. The judges ruled that because same-sex marriage is legal in Massachusetts, the school actually had a duty to normalize homosexual relationships to children, and that schools have no obligation to notify parents or let them opt-out their children! Acceptance of homosexuality had become a matter of good citizenship!
Think about that: Because same-sex marriage is “legal”, a federal judge has ruled that the schools now have a duty to portray homosexual relationships as normal to children, despite what parents think or believe!
• In 2006, in the elementary school where my daughter went to Kindergarten, the parents of a third-grader were forced to take their child out of school because a man undergoing a sex-change operation and cross-dressing was being brought into class to teach the children that there are now “different kinds of families.” School officials told the mother that her complaints to the principal were considered “inappropriate behavior.”
• Libraries have also radically changed. School libraries across the state, from elementary school to high school, now have shelves of books to normalize homosexual behavior and the lifestyle in the minds of kids, some of them quite explicit and even pornographic. Parents complaints are ignored or met with hostility.

The public schools
The homosexual “marriage” onslaught in public schools across the state started soon after the November 2003, court decision.
• At my own children's high school there was a school-wide assembly to celebrate same-sex “marriage” in early December, 2003. It featured an array of speakers, including teachers at the school who announced that they would be “marrying” their same-sex partners and starting families either through adoption or artificial insemination. Literature on same-sex marriage – how it is now a normal part of society – was handed out to the students.
• Within months it was brought into the middle schools. In September, 2004, an 8th-grade teacher in Brookline, MA, told National Public Radio that the marriage ruling had opened up the floodgates for teaching homosexuality.“In my mind, I know that,`OK, this is legal now.' If somebody wants to challenge me, I'll say,`Give me a break. It's legal now,'” she told NPR. She added that she now discusses gay sex with her students as explicitly as she desires. For example, she said she tells the kids that lesbians can have vaginal intercourse using sex toys.
• By the following year it was in elementary school curricula. Kindergartners were given picture books telling them that same-sex couples are just another kind of family, like their own parents. In 2005, when David Parker of Lexington, MA – a parent of a kindergartner – strongly insisted on being notified when teachers were discussing homosexuality or transgenderism with his son, the school had him arrested and put in jail overnight.

Second graders at the same school were read a book,“King and King”, about two men who have a romance and marry each other, with a picture of them kissing. When parents Rob and Robin Wirthlin complained, they were told that the school had no obligation to notify them or allow them to opt-out their child.
• In 2006 the Parkers and Wirthlins filed a federal Civil Rights lawsuit to force the schools to notify parents and allow them to opt-out their elementary-school children when homosexual-related subjects were taught. The federal judges dismissed the case. The judges ruled that because same-sex marriage is legal in Massachusetts, the school actually had a duty to normalize homosexual relationships to children, and that schools have no obligation to notify parents or let them opt-out their children! Acceptance of homosexuality had become a matter of good citizenship!

Think about that: Because same-sex marriage is “legal”, a federal judge has ruled that the schools now have a duty to portray homosexual relationships as normal to children, despite what parents think or believe!
• In 2006, in the elementary school where my daughter went to Kindergarten, the parents of a third-grader were forced to take their child out of school because a man undergoing a sex-change operation and cross-dressing was being brought into class to teach the children that there are now “different kinds of families.” School officials told the mother that her complaints to the principal were considered “inappropriate behavior.”
• Libraries have also radically changed. School libraries across the state, from elementary school to high school, now have shelves of books to normalize homosexual behavior and the lifestyle in the minds of kids, some of them quite explicit and even pornographic. Parents complaints are ignored or met with hostility.

Hype.

The people have spoken.......AGAIN! The majority of America does not want gay marriage sanctioned. Get over it !!

Brian Camenker, MassResistance, right-wing radical, "pro-family", women hating, heterosexual neo-nazi.

Hispanic Girl, If you are going to quote the highly conservative Mr. Camenker, why don't you include another quote:
In November 2005, Carmenker appeared on a Daily Show piece by reporter Ed Helms. It was rebroadcast on the February 7, 2008 episode. In the interview, Camenker was asked if Massachusetts was worse off after the decision to legalize same-sex marriage.
Ed Helms: So the quality of life has decreased?
Brian Camenker: Yeah.
Ed Helms: Homelessness gone up?
Brian Camenker: I could, you know...
Ed Helms: Crime rates?
Brian Camenker: Crime rates?
Ed Helms: Air quality?
Brian Camenker: I mean, let me put it this way, I could, if, I could sit here, and I could probably, you know, find some way of connecting the dots to gay marriage, to all of these, if I had enough time, and I did some research.
Ed Helms (voice-over): Yeah! Why take time to do the research, when saying it is so much faster!

Pull out the facts.

1. Parental rights were denied.

2. Children as young as 5 were indoctrinated.

3. Civil Religious Rights dismissed.

Attach the deliverer all you want. The facts are still the facts.

Regarding the remark in this article stating that only the Legislature has the authority to invalidate gay marriage in California, that is precisely the issue which riles me. Whoever wrote that statement fails to understand that the legislature derives it's authority and power from the people, not the other way around. The people have been rightfully upset due to the tactics of those proponents of gay marriage, using the courts or a friendly politician, rather than a vote of the people to attempt to alter the traditional definition of marriage. The reason they have taken this tactic is precisely because they couldn't get such a law passed in the legislature. The citizenry are entitled to take back their sovreignty from the courts who co-opted it, regardless of the issue at hand.

Well said, Mr. Jackson.

Of course you will now be reviled as a bigot and homophobic, but you made your point.

Bravo Mr Jackson, very factual indeed. It sure is weird that the protesters can picket out front of Mormon churches, get people fired from jobs because they donated money to the pro eight campaign, get TONS of free publicity from the Main Scream Media, yet I see NO protesters at any Black church such as AME or the likes!

My guess is that like most sore losers and the liberals are poster children for that emotion, they will rant and rave at ones they KNOW will not fight back much. I guess the black community intimidates the nut burgers on far left and they KNOW they will be vocally and physically challenged when they let loose their radical extremist views in their areas!

As I have been told many times since November 4th, the election is OVER, now move on and live with it! Like it or not this is our system, if ya don't like it go somewhere else!

The white, affirmative action, heterosexual guilt card has now expired and will NOT be renewed! The voters have spoke AGAIN! Get over it!

I believe that 37 states now define marriage as between a man and a woman. California is one of 37. That is two thirds of the U.S.

Hispanic Girl wrote:

Pull out the facts.
1. Parental rights were denied.
2. Children as young as 5 were indoctrinated.
3. Civil Religious Rights dismissed.
Attach the deliverer all you want. The facts are still the facts.

1. No, parents still have the right to pull their children out of public school and enroll them in a school that will teach in the fashion they agree with.

2. Indoctrinated to what?

3. No, everyone still has the right to their PERSONAL religious beliefs and to follow those beliefs and attend a church of their own choosing.

Robert J G Jackson Sr wrote:

Regarding the remark in this article stating that only the Legislature has the authority to invalidate gay marriage in California, that is precisely the issue which riles me. Whoever wrote that statement fails to understand that the legislature derives it's authority and power from the people, not the other way around. The people have been rightfully upset due to the tactics of those proponents of gay marriage, using the courts or a friendly politician, rather than a vote of the people to attempt to alter the traditional definition of marriage. The reason they have taken this tactic is precisely because they couldn't get such a law passed in the legislature. The citizenry are entitled to take back their sovreignty from the courts who co-opted it, regardless of the issue at hand.

In a republic, the people have the power and right to vote for their gov't representatives and express their views to those representatives, then the representatives vote on issues and laws. Unless of course you want mob/majority rule and then we can let everyone in the state/country vote on everything and run the country that way.

Why be baffled???

This will be overturned period.

Bigots get over it.

Marriage is a civil right. Get married in an church or by an Elvis impersonator in Vegas. The license is still issued by the state!!! The state cannot legislate descrimination.

feetwister wrote:

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1. No, parents still have the right to pull their children out of public school and enroll them in a school that will teach in the fashion they agree with.
2. Indoctrinated to what?
3. No, everyone still has the right to their PERSONAL religious beliefs and to follow those beliefs and attend a church of their own choosing.

First, I am a public school teacher and by law, SB 777, mandates that I teach bi, tran, and twin as a normal life style.

Second, all the families that I teach could not afford private schooling so they are forced to be under this teaching.

Third, if any parent complains or teacher refuses they will go through harassment training, AB 394.

Indocrination is the correct word and parents can not say a word. Another opportunity to use and abuse the poor for personal gain.

Do remember they did vote against it.

Also please not that the hispanic vote would have been higher for "Yes" if the message would have gotten correctly to them.

Do remember they did vote for it. Correction.

Hispanic Girl wrote:

Pull out the facts.
1. Parental rights were denied.
2. Children as young as 5 were indoctrinated.
3. Civil Religious Rights dismissed.
Attach the deliverer all you want. The facts are still the facts.

You could apply the same argument to interracial marriage, and

1. Many parents are idiots
2. Children are "indoctrinated" in many ways (how about god in the pledge of allegiance?)
3. Religious opinion does not trump secular rights

Spunk Nutley wrote:

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You could apply the same argument to interracial marriage, and
1. Many parents are idiots
2. Children are "indoctrinated" in many ways (how about god in the pledge of allegiance?)
3. Religious opinion does not trump secular rights

Now the truth is out. You have been exposed!

Hispanic Girl wrote:

Pull out the facts.
1. Parental rights were denied.
2. Children as young as 5 were indoctrinated.
3. Civil Religious Rights dismissed.
Attach the deliverer all you want. The facts are still the facts.

And how will stopping taxpayers in CA from having the same civil rights you have change what is taught in schools?

Fact: Same sex marriage is legal on this country, and is legal in many other countries.

Fact: Among those "indoctrinated" kids in every school are gay kids, who need to hear that they are not sub-human, and know that they safe in school. Banning them from ever marrying won't change that.

Fact: Gay couples form solid families and have children. Their children deserve the same security that yours do.

Fact: Anti-discrimination laws have NOT and will not be banned, so what is taught in schools will not change.

Fact: Prop 8 did not protect parents rights, it denied legal reaognition to thousands of parents. There is a difference. You cannot protect families by harming thosands of them. You cannot protect children by sending a messege to millions of them that they are worthless.

Fact: Public scholls are required to teach reality. If you wished to teach your children that gay people do not exist, you should home school them. That option is open to you.

You, and all the other ignorant bigots will have to see how the court cases come out.

Hispanic Girl wrote:

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Now the truth is out. You have been exposed!

Exposed as truthful?

Children are not "indoctrinated", they are taught. And regardless of Prop 8, they will still be taught to value others, which is good, since so many kids like yours are not taught kindness and empathy at home.

It's sad that it falls on the public schools to do it, but that's part of their role.
It's why they are called "public".

Teaching the truth about gay people black people, hispanic people, and all peope in general is for the public good.