Would Jay Cutler Be a Good Fit In Minnesota?

Please 'God' send Jay Culter to the vikings a man..! Lol

this will be the biggest mistake since trading for herschel walker.

Jeebs wrote:

this will be the biggest mistake since trading for herschel walker.

I disagree. Zigi has to fill the stadium somehow.

And this team is aging, and the payroll will balloon soon.

If Zigi wants to make a championship run, its now.

Ok we cant hand it over like the walker trade but Cutler would be an awesome pick up! 1st 09 3rd and conditional 6th in 10..that would be worth it in my mind.

harry wrote:

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I disagree. Zigi has to fill the stadium somehow.
And this team is aging, and the payroll will balloon soon.
If Zigi wants to make a championship run, its now.

this team is aging at certain positions and the time to make a run is now but i hope they stick with tj as the future qb. if they were to bring in any qb, it should be mcnabb. if not him, then jeff garcia. otherwise dont even bother.

Jeebs wrote:

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this team is aging at certain positions and the time to make a run is now but i hope they stick with tj as the future qb. if they were to bring in any qb, it should be mcnabb. if not him, then jeff garcia. otherwise dont even bother.

hmmmmm? lets see tj and sage vs a qb who played better than almost any other qb in the league (without a running game) i might add. Now imagine cutler with a better defense and a superior running game then the one he has in denver adn teh answer is a no brainer vikes immediatly become the top team in nfc and a serious threat to win a superbowl even with brain cramp as head coach.Plus if bonehead screws up this year it would be a perfect scenario for shanahan to come and clean up the vikes the following year. cmon zygi make a splash like you did with jared allen last year, us vikes fan deserve it.

nivis wrote:

<quoted text>hmmmmm? lets see tj and sage vs a qb who played better than almost any other qb in the league (without a running game) i might add. Now imagine cutler with a better defense and a superior running game then the one he has in denver adn teh answer is a no brainer vikes immediatly become the top team in nfc and a serious threat to win a superbowl even with brain cramp as head coach.Plus if bonehead screws up this year it would be a perfect scenario for shanahan to come and clean up the vikes the following year. cmon zygi make a splash like you did with jared allen last year, us vikes fan deserve it.

and how would bringing in cutler be such a great move? especially when he doesnt have the recievers as he did in denver. yeah, sure he will have the running game but wont have the recievers to get open and make the passing game work. i say all we need to do is bring in a #1 reciever(boldin) and we will be just fine with tj under center. i dont want cutler in purple, but there is no possible way of bringing in a #1 reciever and cutler at the same time.

Jeebs wrote:

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this team is aging at certain positions and the time to make a run is now but i hope they stick with tj as the future qb. if they were to bring in any qb, it should be mcnabb. if not him, then jeff garcia. otherwise dont even bother.

You hope they stick with tj as the future qb??
That explains your signature saying nuckin futs!!

TRPE wrote:

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You hope they stick with tj as the future qb??
That explains your signature saying nuckin futs!!

my headline has nothing to do with it.

Jeebs wrote:

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my headline has nothing to do with it.

Come on man, seriously TJ is horseh!t!! I would maybe keep him as #3..

TRPE wrote:

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Come on man, seriously TJ is horseh!t!! I would maybe keep him as #3..

Agreed.

TRPE wrote:

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Come on man, seriously TJ is horseh!t!! I would maybe keep him as #3..

Here's something to consider. Look at the production of our QBs combined last year and compare it to Cutler's 08 season.

I'm not saying that I wouldn't want Cutler, but to say that Jackson is a #3 is ridiculous.

Cutler:
4526 yards 62.5% completion 25 TDs 18 ints, 86 qb rating

TJ+Frerotte:
2956 yards,59.1% completion, 22 TDs, 17 ints, 81.5 QB rating.

Denver's passing offense was only slightly statistically better than the Vikings aside from the yardage total, and alot of the yardage can be attributed to the fact that Denver didn't have a running game with all of their injured backs, so they were forced to throw more often.

Again, I would love to see Cutler in MN, but Jackson is nowhere near as bad as you make him out to be. It never ceases to amaze me that he gets so much hate from the fanbase. Probably because he was selected to early. If Childress would have selected him in round 4 and he had performed like this I doubt that there would be half of the bad mouthing that we read everywhere.

JDBrocks wrote:

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Here's something to consider. Look at the production of our QBs combined last year and compare it to Cutler's 08 season.
I'm not saying that I wouldn't want Cutler, but to say that Jackson is a #3 is ridiculous.
Cutler:
4526 yards 62.5% completion 25 TDs 18 ints, 86 qb rating
TJ+Frerotte:
2956 yards,59.1% completion, 22 TDs, 17 ints, 81.5 QB rating.
Denver's passing offense was only slightly statistically better than the Vikings aside from the yardage total, and alot of the yardage can be attributed to the fact that Denver didn't have a running game with all of their injured backs, so they were forced to throw more often.
Again, I would love to see Cutler in MN, but Jackson is nowhere near as bad as you make him out to be. It never ceases to amaze me that he gets so much hate from the fanbase. Probably because he was selected to early. If Childress would have selected him in round 4 and he had performed like this I doubt that there would be half of the bad mouthing that we read everywhere.

Sorry, can't agree with this one. Since TJ only played 4 games I don't think your numbers tell the whole story. If TJ had played in more games I think the stats would or could have been different.

TRPE wrote:

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Come on man, seriously TJ is horseh!t!! I would maybe keep him as #3..

no way. i say start him.

Magnum Man wrote:

<quoted text>Sorry, can't agree with this one. Since TJ only played 4 games I don't think your numbers tell the whole story. If TJ had played in more games I think the stats would or could have been different.

That wasn't the point. I'm pretty sure you missed it completely.

The point was that regardless of who was QB for the Vikings last year the production was very similar. It didn't matter who was playing.

JDBrocks wrote:

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Here's something to consider. Look at the production of our QBs combined last year and compare it to Cutler's 08 season.
I'm not saying that I wouldn't want Cutler, but to say that Jackson is a #3 is ridiculous.
Cutler:
4526 yards 62.5% completion 25 TDs 18 ints, 86 qb rating
TJ+Frerotte:
2956 yards,59.1% completion, 22 TDs, 17 ints, 81.5 QB rating.
Denver's passing offense was only slightly statistically better than the Vikings aside from the yardage total, and alot of the yardage can be attributed to the fact that Denver didn't have a running game with all of their injured backs, so they were forced to throw more often.
Again, I would love to see Cutler in MN, but Jackson is nowhere near as bad as you make him out to be. It never ceases to amaze me that he gets so much hate from the fanbase. Probably because he was selected to early. If Childress would have selected him in round 4 and he had performed like this I doubt that there would be half of the bad mouthing that we read everywhere.

JD,
I always value your thoughts but I think that TJ will never be a starting NFL QB he cannot adapt to the mental aspect of the game at this level. Gus was the reason that we made it as far as we did last season, of course I am only speaking in regards to the QB position. TJ has had more than enough time to show that he can cut it and it is time to move on. As Chilly always says he flashed, well we saw how well he flashed against Philly, like a first year rookie!
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TRPE wrote:

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JD,
I always value your thoughts but I think that TJ will never be a starting NFL QB he cannot adapt to the mental aspect of the game at this level. Gus was the reason that we made it as far as we did last season, of course I am only speaking in regards to the QB position. TJ has had more than enough time to show that he can cut it and it is time to move on. As Chilly always says he flashed, well we saw how well he flashed against Philly, like a first year rookie!
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TJack would make a fine backup. A player in the Wildcat, perhaps. Or maybe President. Whatever.

NO ONE GETS IT. The point of the post was not to defend Jackson. Instead it was to show that Cutler would not be a huge statistical upgrade if you just look at the numbers.

I've said it a million times, I WANT CUTLER ON THIS TEAM. If he had a good running game and a defense he might be a top 7 QB in the league. Frerrote had most of the passing stats last year, so my post just goes to show that if the Vikings passed as often as the Broncos, statistically speaking , they would have had more TDs, a few less yards, and about the same QB rating. Cutler would do wonders in this offense, but there is a case to be made, like Trent Dilfer made, that He wouldn't be enough of an upgrade at this point to warrant a massive trade.

I would support a trade for Cutler, I was just throwing some research out there.

JDBrocks wrote:

NO ONE GETS IT. The point of the post was not to defend Jackson. Instead it was to show that Cutler would not be a huge statistical upgrade if you just look at the numbers.
I've said it a million times, I WANT CUTLER ON THIS TEAM. If he had a good running game and a defense he might be a top 7 QB in the league. Frerrote had most of the passing stats last year, so my post just goes to show that if the Vikings passed as often as the Broncos, statistically speaking , they would have had more TDs, a few less yards, and about the same QB rating. Cutler would do wonders in this offense, but there is a case to be made, like Trent Dilfer made, that He wouldn't be enough of an upgrade at this point to warrant a massive trade.
I would support a trade for Cutler, I was just throwing some research out there.

my point is, look how many picks cutler threw with the broncos recievers and then imagine him playing in purple with the current vikings recievers who cant get open. i think his number of picks would definitely go up.

Jeebs wrote:

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my point is, look how many picks cutler threw with the broncos recievers and then imagine him playing in purple with the current vikings recievers who cant get open. i think his number of picks would definitely go up.

CAN ANYONE READ AND COMPREHEND???

Cutler is a risk taker and his stats show it. His INT % is much lower than the Vikings' QBs though. He makes better decisions with the ball.

Cutler is a better QB than any of the Vikings QBs

Cutlers Probowl statistics from last year suggest that he might not be that much of an upgrade. I'm not saying one way or the other that Cutler will or will not cometo Minnesota, or that Jackson should be the QB and Cutler should be ignored. I'm saying yes, there are Caveats, no I don't think that they should be the focus of an argument that suggests that we should not get Cutler.

If you just look at Cutler's INTs without looking at how many more passes he threw you really don't get a good idea about what he can do. 2.9% of Cutler's passes were intercepted, while 3.7% of the Vikings passes were intercepted. That's a huge difference.

Now if everyone will just take the time to read the post, those stats were not an indictment or vote of confidence for anyone. It just showed that the Vikings passing game was reasonably close to the Bronco's last year except for the yardage.

The stuff about Jackson was just a side note and not a suggestion that he should be the starter. People need to read more closely and talk about the real point of the post with out putting words into people's mouths and without putting meaning into things that aren't anything more than statements.