8 Dead in Finland School Shooting

This is not the first shooting in Finnish schools, nor unique act of violence in any way. However indeed, it has most casualties. First of the kind was 1989, where two were killed by 14 year old in Rauma.

Increasing number of mental health problems amongst students and pupils alike, greatly ignored and left untreated may well be the root cause, not only for this incident but several other senseless acts of violence within the Finnish society, including young student committing suicide by self made bomb in the shopping mall amongst people to maximize fatalities and injuries.

Finnish society is plagued, not only by increasing number of mental problems but also by alcohol problems, low wages, high stress and generally poor access to public healthcare.

Very unfortunate event.

World's gone crazy, sorry to say. Are we returning to cave man status?

Jon, so sorry that this happened in your country. We Americans witness needless killings daily. We seem helpless to stem the violence. Lord preserve us all.

School Shooting in Finland Predicted by YouTube Video
http://samaha.wordpress.com/2007/11/07/school...

In my opinion, hate crime laws are necessary as the crimes themselves carry heavier sentences which draw attention to the cases. Our world history is filled with hate crimes that include the Armenian genocide, the Holocaust, the Bosnian genocide, the Rwanda genocide. In most cases, hate crimes do not just happen. Many things have to happen before masses run to murder groups of people. Creating fear and thereby hate is a crucial part of these campaigns. While freedom of speech and information need to be protected we need to remember how our world has in the past been moved to these actions. Knowing that hate crimes can and do happen is key to holding on to freedom of speech and expression while battling hate. Understanding how the effect of any bigotry or racism can influence actions that we may not want to be part and parcel to is the only way that we will as human beings come closer to eliminating bigotry and racism from our world. It is the way that we will become aware of our greater responsibilities to humanity.

The name of the shooter has been released: Pekka-Eric Auvinen and he died at 10:14 p.m., bringing the total number of fatalities to 9
(http://www.hs.fi/kaupunki/art ikkeli/Jokelan+ampuja+kuoli+sa iraalassa/1135231611687)

The world is becoming smaller and the influence of America is spreading.

Too bad all these people can't be rounded up and used by the U.N. as front-line shock troops somewhere where they'd do some good.

RW Jty wrote:

The world is becoming smaller and the influence of America is spreading.
Too bad all these people can't be rounded up and used by the U.N. as front-line shock troops somewhere where they'd do some good.

Please try not to blame America for everything. We are hated everywhere and the sad part is that the average American does not approve of things our government does let alone what the disturbed people do. America is no longer a democracy. It is run by corporate America which is made up of rich people who own the stock. The corporations have lobbyists tell our law makers what to do. It is not the average American that is racist or gun happy.

Oh, well. US is definetly the cause of the incident. That is very much self breed. Of course there may be similarities in the execution but the cause has been there before the individual went to school to gun down people.

It is very very unfortunate that people do not have time for their kids but spending long hours in the offices earning barely enough to pass to next month. Society, culture and local customs do everything to suppress emotions, communication and social networks that would be regarded anywhere else as vital for well being of an individual. I dare to say that in no other country in the world individual may become so isolated outcast from the surrounding society as in Finland.

That is, what I have observed in few years I have spent in the country.

Mental health problems are not the the "root cause", they are a symptom. A symptom of conflict between the person and his surroundings. Because the person is unable to be flexible, the surroundings should be. Is there room for flexibility in Finland or in US? Are there other real options than being in or being out? Is there a change to live a good life if you'd prefer to do something else than use your elbows and collect all the money and material you possibly can? Should some of us be allowed to live as parasites of the productive corporate society without stigmas, with hope? Extreme requirements (set by rich folks) lead to extreme ways out. This tragedy happened in (PISA rewarded) school, the last one in shopping moll. There are lots of places where you can take as many with you as you can, these specific milieus bear a meaning, to me at least...

The sad incident in Finland does not find its roots in any Geo-political plot or USA domination of the world. That does not exist. People are responsible for themselves. This poor young man died without any cause at heart, he was just a sick person.

Unfortunately his condition is endemic to mankind as has been recited in other comments.

Arm and train the Teachers. first sign of trouble
stop the troublemaker.

Our thoughts and prayers to all the families.

People; get you facts straight before you post such dribble. I will apologize to the world for RW Jty, San, and Jon, who obviously have not a clue about world affairs nor the country they live beyond their front yard. The U.S. is not responsible for the violence around the world nor is it stopped being a democracy. It is run by the majority of the population that obviously they are not part of. Thank you "Porcupine" for your insight and our sympathy is with your country.

no? iraq afhanistan vietnam.
the policy of war. half that money could give house n food to everybody. every country's military budget could substain their people.
2000: "your" democracy elected the one with less votes. oligarchy.

anyway the fault of that school tragedy is of that killer's s''t "head". the self named""superior guy""

Emil wrote:

no? iraq afhanistan vietnam.
the policy of war. half that money could give house n food to everybody. every country's military budget could substain their people.
2000: "your" democracy elected the one with less votes. oligarchy.
anyway the fault of that school tragedy is of that killer's s''t "head". the self named""superior guy""

Emil not to be pedantic but many Americans are as ignorant as you about how Presidents are elected in the USA. We do not use popular vote. It is a republic form in which each state has a given set of votes. So the winner must gather votes from the broader area not just from the high population areas where pandering to the electorate is easier.

The Constitution was devised that way to give everyone a say. That is also why we have 2 Senators from every state and not just representatives from popular vote only.

The Democratic party knows that was the case but still beat the drum of popular vote even though it is irrelevant.

If you came to America to visit you would find that we a hospitable, open, helping and volunteer a lot of resources to assist those in need.

We generally do not look upon government to be our "Father" but rather a referee to let us live our lives without interference.

evrybody knows it:
google:
moore stolen elections 2000...
maybe you're as ignorant as many Americans about that.

it's not that I have to know how it works there if I live here, but,,,some basics :)

Emil,
Keep reading what you want from the liberal U.S. media. Hell, even you can write a book about what you think you know. Someone 10 yrs from now can cite your work and call it fact. That doesn't mean you have the slightest clue. However, sometimes a military response is for the grater good of mankind. Human beings, including the Fins, are nothing more than animals. Look in other regions of the world that the U.S. doesn't have a presence as proof of that.

I have to correct y mistake in earlier post, I meant to say:
US is definetly _not_ the cause of the incident.

US has absolutely nothing to do with it. It's as self breed as can be.

Jon wrote:

It is very very unfortunate that people do not have time for their kids but spending long hours in the offices earning barely enough to pass to next month. Society, culture and local customs do everything to suppress emotions, communication and social networks that would be regarded anywhere else as vital for well being of an individual. I dare to say that in no other country in the world individual may become so isolated outcast from the surrounding society as in Finland.
That is, what I have observed in few years I have spent in the country.

For sure, its very sad that some parents don't have time for their kids, but isn't that quite common problem in almost all (western) societies nowadays? Finnish well fare system, in fact, is still relatively safe for families too when it comes to economical and health care issues. Does the fact, that at the end you don't need to be worried about health care funding or food, make Finnish teens murderers..? I doubt that...

Of course social networking (can you say that..) is not the best side in Finns. Sill, this kind of tragedies might occur anywhere, also in countries with different customs etc.

San wrote:

<quoted text>Please try not to blame America for everything. We are hated everywhere and the sad part is that the average American does not approve of things our government does let alone what the disturbed people do. America is no longer a democracy. It is run by corporate America which is made up of rich people who own the stock. The corporations have lobbyists tell our law makers what to do. It is not the average American that is racist or gun happy.

American Corporations, give people employment.