The Full Insult of "Children Need a Mother and a Father"

Nov 3, 2012 | Posted by: Rick in Kansas | Full story: my.firedoglake.com

It says to all people that they should not hope to ever be an effective parent to a healthy kid unless paired up with the “right” co-parent. It says that no amount of compassion, devotion, competence, or love by a single parent or a gay/lesbian couple can be good enough to create healthy family space for a child.

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Since: May 12

Livonia, MI

#2 Nov 3, 2012
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Donate2NOM wrote:
Good film.
The basic message is that queers shouldn't be hanging around kids.
I give the pic 4 stars.
:)
Donate2NOM

Minneapolis, MN

#3 Nov 3, 2012
DragonHung wrote:
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So you're saying queers should be getting gay with kids?
Wow that's sick!!!

Since: May 12

Livonia, MI

#4 Nov 3, 2012
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Donate2NOM wrote:
<quoted text>So you're saying queers should be getting gay with kids?
Wow that's sick!!!

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#5 Nov 3, 2012
Excellent find, "Rick".

Beautiful statement of the real issue.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#6 Nov 3, 2012
Donate2NOM wrote:
<quoted text>So you're saying queers should be getting gay with kids?
Wow that's sick!!!
Why do you find trolling amusing? Wouldn't you feel happier if you found a more productive hobby?

“Engaged to the love of my life”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#7 Nov 3, 2012
It's an argument used to deny equality in marriage and it doesn't even have to do with marriage itself. When did it become a requirement to procreate?
Never.

And so it is an invalid argument anyway.
HUGE HORNY HAROLD

Germany

#8 Nov 3, 2012
"Children Need a Mother and a Father"

This has always been known to be true. Why is this news?
Anonymous

Fresno, CA

#9 Nov 3, 2012
This is a great article. Well written. Excellent topic. The issue of LGBT was never on my radar until an article was written about the dad dressing up his kid as a girl and parading him around town. I wrote about it on my blog. I truly see both sides of the argument but in the end, I think if a child has 2 LOVING parents, then who cares? Our society accepts divorced and step parents right? http://www.sippycupcocktails.com/2012/09/atte...
BS Detector

Rancho Mirage, CA

#10 Nov 3, 2012
The "insult" part is just so much drama. Certainly an intact 2 partent mother/father dynamic is optimal. I was raised by a single mother and came out okay. Would it have been better had I both a loving mother AND a loving father? I think so. Can two same sex partners sucessfully raise a child? Probably. I really don't know. But that "insult" headline suggests that some are more interested in the drama, and vicim mentality than the welfare of children. And that drama, and that victim mentality does nothing for the gay community and those who really *are* interested in the well being of the children.

“Marriage Equality”

Since: Dec 07

Lakeland, MI

#11 Nov 3, 2012
What mystifies me about these people the keep banging that old "a child needs a mother AND a father" drum, is that they don't seem to have noticed that literally MILLIONS of children are now and have been successfully raised to be well-adjusted adults by both gay couples, and far of often, SINGLE PARENTS!!!

Yet, oddly, those same drum bangers appear to be completely silent on the issues of divorce and single parenthood. Only the gays are in their sites.

Do we see them trying to pass laws to forbid divorce once a couple has children together??

Do they pass around petitions for constitutional amendments to force bio parents to BOTH take and keep responsibility for the children they birth?

Shouldn't we track down and punish parents that abandon their kids??

How many people become single parents by choice? Shouldn't there be some repercussions for doing that if the lack of an opposite-gender parent is so damaging to the children?

So if their screaming and crying really IS all about the best interests of the children, why do they completely ignore it when straight people raise children without an opposite gender parent in the house??

Oh, yeah. Because it's not about the children at all, is it? It's about hatin' on the gays and screaming, "The children!!! What about the CHILDREN?!?!?!?" Yeah. That's why.
SLIF

Scarborough, Canada

#12 Nov 3, 2012
Why don't they go on MTVs Teen Mom,and tell them that?

Since: Mar 09

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#13 Nov 3, 2012
HUGE HORNY HAROLD wrote:
"Children Need a Mother and a Father"
This has always been known to be true. Why is this news?
History demonstrates otherwise.
Chance

Grove City, PA

#14 Nov 3, 2012
eJohn wrote:
What mystifies me about these people the keep banging that old "a child needs a mother AND a father" drum, is that they don't seem to have noticed that literally MILLIONS of children are now and have been successfully raised to be well-adjusted adults by both gay couples, and far of often, SINGLE PARENTS!!!
Yet, oddly, those same drum bangers appear to be completely silent on the issues of divorce and single parenthood. Only the gays are in their sites.
Do we see them trying to pass laws to forbid divorce once a couple has children together??
Do they pass around petitions for constitutional amendments to force bio parents to BOTH take and keep responsibility for the children they birth?
Shouldn't we track down and punish parents that abandon their kids??
How many people become single parents by choice? Shouldn't there be some repercussions for doing that if the lack of an opposite-gender parent is so damaging to the children?
So if their screaming and crying really IS all about the best interests of the children, why do they completely ignore it when straight people raise children without an opposite gender parent in the house??
Oh, yeah. Because it's not about the children at all, is it? It's about hatin' on the gays and screaming, "The children!!! What about the CHILDREN?!?!?!?" Yeah. That's why.
You have not been paying attention. There has been plenty of talk in the media about the disadvantage that the children of single parents have. It is often said that the most likely way by which children end up living in poverty is if their mom is single. The hard an unavoidable truth is that children without a father and a mother have either an absentee father or an absentee mother. There is absolutely no way to get around that. No woman will ever replace an absentee father, and no man will ever replace an absentee mother. EVER. A family with a single mom or a single dad is a family at a disadvantage no matter by what unfortunate means it happens, whether by death or desertion or one parent depriving their child of the other parent. Yes, single parents can still manage to raise happy productive children, but it can never be optimal. As for LGBT's there is no way they can create a family without having an absentee mother or father in the situation, even if that missing parent was just a sperm or egg donor. It is not a natural family; it is a constructed family. I'm very grateful my parents did not do that to me.
BS Detector

Palm Desert, CA

#15 Nov 4, 2012
eJohn wrote:
What mystifies me about these people the keep banging that old "a child needs a mother AND a father" drum, is that they don't seem to have noticed that literally MILLIONS of children are now and have been successfully raised to be well-adjusted adults by both gay couples, and far of often, SINGLE PARENTS!!!
Yet, oddly, those same drum bangers appear to be completely silent on the issues of divorce and single parenthood. Only the gays are in their sites.
Do we see them trying to pass laws to forbid divorce once a couple has children together??
Do they pass around petitions for constitutional amendments to force bio parents to BOTH take and keep responsibility for the children they birth?
Shouldn't we track down and punish parents that abandon their kids??
How many people become single parents by choice? Shouldn't there be some repercussions for doing that if the lack of an opposite-gender parent is so damaging to the children?
So if their screaming and crying really IS all about the best interests of the children, why do they completely ignore it when straight people raise children without an opposite gender parent in the house??
Oh, yeah. Because it's not about the children at all, is it? It's about hatin' on the gays and screaming, "The children!!! What about the CHILDREN?!?!?!?" Yeah. That's why.
You just LOOOOOVE the drama and the feeling of being a victim, don't you. Not wailing about being a victim would take away the drama you seem to enjoy.

Sad.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#16 Nov 4, 2012
BS Detector wrote:
<quoted text> You just LOOOOOVE the drama and the feeling of being a victim, don't you. Not wailing about being a victim would take away the drama you seem to enjoy.
Sad.
Where in his post did he wail that he was a "victim"?

And what parts of his post were incorrect?

If someone points out something you don't agree with in a discussion, the proper thing to do is to factually prove where they are in error, not complain that they have the audacity to state the facts as THEY see them.

Anything less is simply BS.

Since: Mar 07

The entire US of A

#17 Nov 4, 2012
BS Detector wrote:
The "insult" part is just so much drama. Certainly an intact 2 partent mother/father dynamic is optimal......
No, it can be WONDERFUL, but it is not necessarily optimal.

Optimal is two parents who share the same love, support, and commitment to raising a child. Most often, that parental unit consists of a man and a woman. Sometimes it does not.
JrEsq

El Segundo, CA

#18 Nov 4, 2012
The harm that homosexuality causes to society is that they attemp to undermine the right of society to self-determine it's optimal structure. In other words, they want to redefine marriage and parenting to include concepts which are not optimal for society.
Homosexuality per se adds no value to society, it only causes division.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#19 Nov 4, 2012
Chance wrote:
There has been plenty of talk in the media about the disadvantage that the children of single parents have.
I would like you to keep that 'single' distinction in mind as we go along here.
Chance wrote:
It is often said that the most likely way by which children end up living in poverty is if their mom is single.
They often don't have much luck if it's their father who is single either.
Chance wrote:
The hard an unavoidable truth is that children without a father and a mother have either an absentee father or an absentee mother.
In a single parent household, there being but ONE parent, that would be true, a second parent is absent.
Chance wrote:
There is absolutely no way to get around that.
Reality, what a concept. If you have a single parent you are absent a second parent in the home.
Chance wrote:
No woman will ever replace an absentee father, and no man will ever replace an absentee mother.
In what passes as your mind perhaps, but there really is no evidence that children of two parents of the same sex are disadvantaged in anyway when compared to their opposite sex two in-house parented peers nor is there any evidence that two parents of the same sex are as disadvantageous as having one parent of one sex in house.
Chance wrote:
EVER.
Never, never, ever? Oh honey, even you have got to be bright enough to see the exceptions to your rule and the many realities where having two parents of the same sex is in far better interest of the child than having two parents of the opposite.
Chance wrote:
A family with a single mom or a single dad is a family at a disadvantage no matter by what unfortunate means it happens, whether by death or desertion or one parent depriving their child of the other parent.
Once again, single, meaning one and only one.
Chance wrote:
Yes, single parents can still manage to raise happy productive children, but it can never be optimal.
If you don't think about all those instances of where having a second parent is probably the least optimal situation.
Chance wrote:
As for LGBT's there is no way they can create a family without having an absentee mother or father in the situation, even if that missing parent was just a sperm or egg donor.
But dear, your issue with single parents is that there is only ONE of them, not that they as an individual are incapable of raising a child. Second parent, problem solved. You have offered zero evidence that the second parent being of the opposite sex is in and of itself, beneficial or lack thereof, detrimental.
Chance wrote:
It is not a natural family; it is a constructed family.
So was the Brady Bunch and every other "blended" family in the census. Your issues with the nature of their constructed family are your problem.
Chance wrote:
I'm very grateful my parents did not do that to me.
My parents had been married for 63 years when my father passed. They taught me that a strong family is a strong family regardless of what I might think of the 'nature' of their relationship.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#20 Nov 4, 2012
JrEsq wrote:
The harm that homosexuality causes to society is that they attemp to undermine the right of society to self-determine it's optimal structure.
Deutchesland, Deutchesland, uber alles... Sorry buttercup that our mere presence upsets the silly myth that we're all supposed to be heterosexual or God will damn us, but reality tends to do that to myths.
JrEsq wrote:
In other words, they want to redefine marriage and parenting to include concepts which are not optimal for society.
Apparently in your factually challenged paranoid nightmares, but in reality, what we are attempting to redefine is what it means to be gay. We're leaving for future generations the right to relationships and families that would otherwise be legally denied to them.
JrEsq wrote:
Homosexuality per se adds no value to society, it only causes division.
Your issues and obvious lack of coping skills are not our problem. It would cause no division if you weren't being divisive. Homosexuality is here because nature has its reasons. If you're not better for it, I feel sorry for you.
BS Detector

Palm Desert, CA

#21 Nov 4, 2012
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
Where in his post did he wail that he was a "victim"?
And what parts of his post were incorrect?
If someone points out something you don't agree with in a discussion, the proper thing to do is to factually prove where they are in error, not complain that they have the audacity to state the facts as THEY see them.
Anything less is simply BS.
"Oh, yeah. Because it's not about the children at all, is it? It's about hatin' on the gays and screaming, "The children!!! What about the CHILDREN?!?!?!?" Yeah. That's why."

Oh, the drama.

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