Mothers speak out against DHS

This agency is a disgrace to all Oklahomans. I have lived in several other states and when I moved back to OK, I was appalled at the tragic deaths of children in "protective" custody. Or the stories of families being torn apart for no real reason. The stories where DHS workers make up stuff so they don't have to actually go out and do their jobs. The governor or legislator needs to get a grip on DHS and reorganize it. Eliminate their all-mighty power they have and create checks and balances. Currently DHS rules without any recourse for their terrible mistakes. Hold these people accountable and to HIGH standards, maintain a system that can monitor and regulate DHS... Not allow them total control over people's lives.

My son and his wife were harrassed by DHS because of false allegations by a vindictive ex-wife. He was finally cleared but not until the damage was done.

The quality of person that DHS has working investigations for child abuse is shockingly low. And it is nearly impossible to get someone fired or removed from their job in investigations. Even the worst get covered up or moved to another county/unit rather than fired. Similar to the Catholic churck.. cover up and move them along.

I totally agree with you Jess. THE DHS DEPT. AND THEIR EMPLOYEE'S ARE A JOKE!! A few years ago DHS went to the daycare where my 2 year old (daughter) and 5 year old (son) were staying and talked to them. I had no knowledge of this until after the fact of their investigation of sexual abuse by their 16 year old step brother. These allegations were proved totally false. And who were these allegations made by - a vindictive DHS SOCIAL WORKER and her husband. They were my neighbors who got along with NO ONE in the neighborhood and constantly called police on everyone. We did not even get so much of an apology from DHS and she is still employed with DHS as a social worker! I wish now that I would have filed a lawsuit and exposed their actions.

I do agree that the system is seriously flawed in some ways but most of the people who get their children taken away deserve it. I have actually seen cases regarding children who were taken into DHS custody and pretty much the parent/parents are trashy and selfish. I heard horrific things. Most of these parents are felons,drug addicts,alcoholics,physical and sexual abusers. Most had filthy homes with little or no food in it for the children. DHS workers and the courts do everything they can to help the parents in regards to community resources,parenting classes, etc. so they can get their children back. I have seen this. The fact is most of these parents don't care. Some parents don't even bother to show up to court to try and get their child back. Law enforcement are the ones who initally take the children and they do not take them unless they have obvious proof that the conditions put the child at risk. That is where many people make mistakes and assume that it is all DHS's fault. I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions unless you have really seen what goes on from the time the child is taken all the way through the court hearings.

I totally agree DHS needs to be dismanteled, It is out of control.

I totally agree DHS needs to be dismantled, It is out of control.

Hey Anonymous,

What planet are you on? It's sure isn't one of reality~!! You sound just like a DHS caseworker. If not, come out from behind the screen and take a look at the "real world"~!!! How about giving your name and address so we can make sure that you get a good dose of reality. You have NO clue of what you are talking about, that is, unless you ARE one of the DHS employees, or you are so clouded by your personal friendships with DHS employees that ALL you hear is "their" side of the stories they "choose" to feed you for your support and to make themselves feel justified in what they are doing, when they KNOW, that is IF they have any conscious at all, they are in the WRONG and so is their agency.

You see, I happen to know for FACT that DHS, CPS, SRS, or by whatever name they choose to call themselves, are TAUGHT and PUSHED by the child protective services of every state to BE VERY ANTI-PARENT and family reunification. They are TAUGHT to "create" and put things in the files that are NOT true, shall we say, "curve the facts to support your case" so that the agency can KEEP the funds flowing. These agencies ARE money driven~!!! They are NO longer about helping, truly helping children and families, they are about helping "themselves" to the children OF the families. The more children they can snatch and take into their custody, the more money they get.

Title IV Social Security funding, federal adoption incentives ARE the driving force behind what Child Protective Services is doing. REPEAL the Title IV and the Federal Adoption Bonus Incentives, and families WILL SEE a huge change in the way these agencies operate. If there's no money for destroying families and they are mandated to keep families together and work out their problems, they will STOP destroying innocent families and ultimately DESTROYING the lives of the children they are "supposed" to be helping and serving. It's FOLLOW the $$$$ Money trail~!!!

Anonymous, post your name and address, and I can make sure that you get your own personal experience with this. Guaranteed, it'll take that cloud off your eyes and you will see a whole different world from what you are describing, because, that world you describe is NOT real---except TO DHS workers.

I just happen to have access to the training protocol FOR child protective workers that most people do not have. How I got that information SHALL remain unidentified, but I am NOT nor have I ever been any employee of child protective services. I've just managed to get hold of what they practice and teach that they so capreciously "protect" and do NOT want parents and the public to know about and HOW they USE it against parents to JUSTIFY their cases.

This is just a little tidbit of "truth" for those reading the comments related to the story about these parents who have walked in the "dirty" trail of a DESTRUCTIVE Child "Protective" NOT Services.

No, DHS does not try to correct their mistakes, mainly because they have no clue which actions were mistakes and which were successes. That in turn, is because they have so FEW successes that they cannot face that subject.

Once in a while, a child is abandoned or other circumstances actually arise where they MUST take a child, so we cannot actually destroy this agency. But the number of jchildren they torture and kill could be reduced mightily by making them conform to Constituional and legal requirements for all other Guv actions: open trials, trials by jury, no hearsay, etc.

They would take far fewer children, and those few would often actually benefit. Since relationships are the most jprecious things we have, Life would be more worth living for a million families a year.

I'm a huge traveler and I'am ashamed to tell people I'm from Oklahoma. The MAIN thing they say to me is "how come DHS headquarters is across the street from your state capitol?". The only thing I say is "because thats the way Oklahoma is". I sometimes tell people I'm from Austin, Texas. its shameful & embaressing for the state. Oklahoma DHS is (if you ask me and many others) a peice of plastic in the dumb that wont recycle into something better. Oklahoma DHS is rood, hateful, disrespectful, abusive & down right redneck. I've had my share of the DHS and for I care the thing can shutdown.
Dear DHS,
Please be like the GM plant and move to Mexico. I'm sure their in dire need of you over there.
Signed,
Your disliking and loving customer.

How come? How come we never hear of CPS Agencies helpign families? How come we never hear of a child who's been saved by a CPS Agency? How come we don't hear about programs and services to strengthen families and assist parents to better care for their children? How come, how come, how come...?

ANONYMOUS wrote:

I do agree that the system is seriously flawed in some ways but most of the people who get their children taken away deserve it. I have actually seen cases regarding children who were taken into DHS custody and pretty much the parent/parents are trashy and selfish. I heard horrific things. Most of these parents are felons,drug addicts,alcoholics,physical and sexual abusers. Most had filthy homes with little or no food in it for the children. DHS workers and the courts do everything they can to help the parents in regards to community resources,parenting classes, etc. so they can get their children back. I have seen this. The fact is most of these parents don't care. Some parents don't even bother to show up to court to try and get their child back. Law enforcement are the ones who initally take the children and they do not take them unless they have obvious proof that the conditions put the child at risk. That is where many people make mistakes and assume that it is all DHS's fault. I wouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions unless you have really seen what goes on from the time the child is taken all the way through the court hearings.

I agree with you that some parents don't need their children but you need to do more research where DHS & CPS is concerned. They do actually kidnap children for the federal bonus money. I used to think like you but if you will go UTube and type in cps you will get an education like you won't believe I had no idea it was this bad. I didn't even know they did things like this. In one case a woman tried to fight DHS to get her kids back she hired a lawyer and CPS got mad at him. They went to his house and took his child from his wife.

momaware wrote:

Hey Anonymous,
What planet are you on? It's sure isn't one of reality~!! You sound just like a DHS caseworker. If not, come out from behind the screen and take a look at the "real world"~!!! How about giving your name and address so we can make sure that you get a good dose of reality. You have NO clue of what you are talking about, that is, unless you ARE one of the DHS employees, or you are so clouded by your personal friendships with DHS employees that ALL you hear is "their" side of the stories they "choose" to feed you for your support and to make themselves feel justified in what they are doing, when they KNOW, that is IF they have any conscious at all, they are in the WRONG and so is their agency.
You see, I happen to know for FACT that DHS, CPS, SRS, or by whatever name they choose to call themselves, are TAUGHT and PUSHED by the child protective services of every state to BE VERY ANTI-PARENT and family reunification. They are TAUGHT to "create" and put things in the files that are NOT true, shall we say, "curve the facts to support your case" so that the agency can KEEP the funds flowing. These agencies ARE money driven~!!! They are NO longer about helping, truly helping children and families, they are about helping "themselves" to the children OF the families. The more children they can snatch and take into their custody, the more money they get.
Title IV Social Security funding, federal adoption incentives ARE the driving force behind what Child Protective Services is doing. REPEAL the Title IV and the Federal Adoption Bonus Incentives, and families WILL SEE a huge change in the way these agencies operate. If there's no money for destroying families and they are mandated to keep families together and work out their problems, they will STOP destroying innocent families and ultimately DESTROYING the lives of the children they are "supposed" to be helping and serving. It's FOLLOW the $$$$ Money trail~!!!
Anonymous, post your name and address, and I can make sure that you get your own personal experience with this. Guaranteed, it'll take that cloud off your eyes and you will see a whole different world from what you are describing, because, that world you describe is NOT real---except TO DHS workers.
I just happen to have access to the training protocol FOR child protective workers that most people do not have. How I got that information SHALL remain unidentified, but I am NOT nor have I ever been any employee of child protective services. I've just managed to get hold of what they practice and teach that they so capreciously "protect" and do NOT want parents and the public to know about and HOW they USE it against parents to JUSTIFY their cases.
This is just a little tidbit of "truth" for those reading the comments related to the story about these parents who have walked in the "dirty" trail of a DESTRUCTIVE Child "Protective" NOT Services.

Thank you so much I have been all over the internet for days digging up all the info I can. DHS kidnapped my grandson and we are fighting to get him back when I told the worker I knew about the bonus money she said that it was a lie. They have been trying to get him since he was born. Unfortunately the 3rd time they came I was at work they knocked on the door as soon as my daughter opened it they barged in took him right out of her arms. They wouldn't even let her finish feeding him. They had no valid reason so I thought it would be easy to get him back boy was I ever wrong. He is now 3 months old and I don't know if we will ever get him back. Working in the legal field myself I thought they had to abide by the law once again I was wrong.

momaware wrote:

Hey Anonymous,
What planet are you on? It's sure isn't one of reality~!! You sound just like a DHS caseworker. If not, come out from behind the screen and take a look at the "real world"~!!! How about giving your name and address so we can make sure that you get a good dose of reality. You have NO clue of what you are talking about, that is, unless you ARE one of the DHS employees, or you are so clouded by your personal friendships with DHS employees that ALL you hear is "their" side of the stories they "choose" to feed you for your support and to make themselves feel justified in what they are doing, when they KNOW, that is IF they have any conscious at all, they are in the WRONG and so is their agency.
You see, I happen to know for FACT that DHS, CPS, SRS, or by whatever name they choose to call themselves, are TAUGHT and PUSHED by the child protective services of every state to BE VERY ANTI-PARENT and family reunification. They are TAUGHT to "create" and put things in the files that are NOT true, shall we say, "curve the facts to support your case" so that the agency can KEEP the funds flowing. These agencies ARE money driven~!!! They are NO longer about helping, truly helping children and families, they are about helping "themselves" to the children OF the families. The more children they can snatch and take into their custody, the more money they get.
Title IV Social Security funding, federal adoption incentives ARE the driving force behind what Child Protective Services is doing. REPEAL the Title IV and the Federal Adoption Bonus Incentives, and families WILL SEE a huge change in the way these agencies operate. If there's no money for destroying families and they are mandated to keep families together and work out their problems, they will STOP destroying innocent families and ultimately DESTROYING the lives of the children they are "supposed" to be helping and serving. It's FOLLOW the $$$$ Money trail~!!!
Anonymous, post your name and address, and I can make sure that you get your own personal experience with this. Guaranteed, it'll take that cloud off your eyes and you will see a whole different world from what you are describing, because, that world you describe is NOT real---except TO DHS workers.
I just happen to have access to the training protocol FOR child protective workers that most people do not have. How I got that information SHALL remain unidentified, but I am NOT nor have I ever been any employee of child protective services. I've just managed to get hold of what they practice and teach that they so capreciously "protect" and do NOT want parents and the public to know about and HOW they USE it against parents to JUSTIFY their cases.
This is just a little tidbit of "truth" for those reading the comments related to the story about these parents who have walked in the "dirty" trail of a DESTRUCTIVE Child "Protective" NOT Services.

You don't even live in Oklahoma! The laws are different in every state and how they choose to handle the situations is different! Also, if you cannot make comments without ridicule then I suggest you don't make comments in what is supposed to be an adult conversation.

As a foster parent, most are wrong that DHS doesnt want to reunite the parents and children as every parent is given home plans and things they need to accomplish to regain the children. Most, NOT all parents dont even try to do half of the things they need to do. Such as parenting classes,( which I had to take also), gainful employment, therapy (if needed)etc. I know of a mother that on meth, she wont complete her drug rehab, wont do her parenting classes, wont work, but cries her tears that she wants her child back. But she makes no attempt to actually try. DHS gives her visitation. They do every thing they can for. And no Oklahoma DHS workers do not get Bonuses. And all you have to do is go online and google OKDHS and go to their website and all info you want on rules etc. Are there bad caseworkers? yes, but there is way more good then bad, who are overloaded and overworked. But nobody ever hears about the good things or the good case workers only the bad gets reported. Funny things is most of you would be screaming that DHS wasnt doing enough to protect the abused, why werent they removed, etc. And DHS doesnt randomly pick children to be removed. The police or a parent or family members makes a report. then its investigated, And their primary goal is to get child out of danger. Are some of the reports bogus? yes, made by ex- wives, ex husbands, that want payback for their preceived wronged. But how do you know which is a lie? just because you say so? DHS does not know you.

FosterMom...I think you yourself are one of those people who do it for money. Don't play crap with people. I don't think any faster parent(s) are nice to other children. I've seen my share. No one hears about the good things cause there are none. We wouldn't be screaming at the damn DHS if they weren't doing good enough because we already are screaming at them. The next step is going to be physical foce against them. I've had a DHS ladie come to my home before and she was not nice. I mad sure she knew she was not wanted in my home. I think their all rednecks and Johnny Crack Corn can tell you. It's just because of he money. Non of them care or the people wouldn't be giving the kids to parents who dont give a shit. Their taking the kids away from abuse but in my view, putting them right back in the abuse. Give us all a break DHS and go to Mexico. They need you more.

Oklahoma DHS doesn't help families. I have seen several destroyed because of the workers. You are guilty until proven innocent in their eyes, and that can take months/years. I was taken by DHS because of a vindictive Aunt. 3 years later I aged out of the system...but they never would listen to my Mom! Fortunately my Aunt is in jail, for child abuse!!! So she can't hurt my other brothers and sister, it took all this time for them to me able to come home!!! THAT is criminal!!!
Unless you have had to deal with Oklahoma DHS you really have NO IDEA what those monsters are like and foster care is HORRIBLE!!!! Those people only do it for the $$$. The only reason I never ran away was because I felt like I had to protect my brothers and sister.
This stuff only becomes public when someone gets killer or goes to the hospitol and then they try to cover it up as fast as possible.

You know nothing about me or my family, if anyone is a redneck or on drugs its you. And no I dont do it for money, I work full time job. And if you really knew anything about Oklahoma Foster Care then you know that Oklahoma has the lowest pay of just about all 50 states. I do it because I love children and believe all children deserve a safe place, loving home so they may grow, learn and live. You have no idea the abuse a 2-3-4-5 yr child goes thru because his mother gets angry and burns them with cigeretts, or many other horrors. So you think we all bad? there isnt a good one out there?? Thats like saying there is no good man alive. You lump everyone in same bowl. You want to blame me for your failures, sorry jack grow up and take responiblity for your actions.

I agree with Question First. Oklahoma is so poor and hicky 'you' cant accept the fact that 'you' guys are just a huge 'coverup' state. And I'm saying 'you' because on August 20th I'm living in Austin, Texas. The best state there is.

I think that if funding is the issue, low paying jobs, little incentives and overloads in case work... we should also holding our governor and legislature accountable for underfunding the agency. However, this would not take away from the fact that they still need to be revamped. DHS should be treated with the same accountability as the rest of the state agencies. I think the problem most people have with DHS is the exposed cover-ups, poor execution in case workers, lying, and making it near impossible to clear your name of wrongdoing. DHS should be the last agency that is corrupt. When dealing with fragile lives everything should be conducted with the utmost integrity and vigilance. The ultimate goal and outcome should ALWAYS be to reunite the family, however, I read too many times and concluded after my own research, that DHS would rather keep children in the system than work with families. DHS rules without regard to anyone, like the case that another state judge ruled that the child be removed from DHS custody and returned and DHS simply said... no.