Candidates on health care, retirement

yawn

HRC/BO answer is to have the government run the hospitals and doctor offices. They do such a good job at education right?

Fill that form out in triplicate and then go to Window H for your government care specialist. Never mind there is no one at Window H.

(Yes, this happened to me at the local SSA office. Incompetent boobs.)

Health Care and Government

The Constitution Party opposes the governmentalization and bureaucratization of American medicine. Government regulation and subsidy constitutes a threat to both the quality and availability of patient-oriented health care and treatment.

Hospitals, doctors, and other health care providers should be accountable to patients - not to politicians, insurance bureaucrats, or HMO Administrators.

If the supply of medical care is controlled by the federal government, then officers of that government will determine which demand is satisfied. The result will be the rationing of services, higher costs, poorer results - and the power of life and death transferred from caring physicians to unaccountable political overseers.

We denounce any civil government entity using age or any other personal characteristic to: preclude people and insurance firms from freely contracting for medical coverage; conscript such people into socialized medicine, e.g., Medicare; or prohibit these people from using insurance payments and/or their own money to obtain medical services in addition to, or to augment the quality of, those services prescribed by the program.

We applaud proposals for employee-controlled "family coverage" health insurance plans based on cash value life insurance principles.

The federal government has no Constitutional provision to regulate or restrict the freedom of the people to have access to medical care, supplies or treatments. We advocate, therefore, the elimination of the federal Food and Drug Administration, as it has been the federal agency primarily responsible for prohibiting beneficial products, treatments, and technologies here in the United States that are freely available in much of the rest of the civilized world.

We affirm freedom of choice of practitioner and treatment for all citizens for their health care.

We support the right of patients to seek redress of their grievances through the courts against insurers and/or HMO's.

We condemn the misrepresentations made by the Federal Administration in securing passage of the recently enacted Medicare prescription drug bill, and the use of such legislation to secure government subsidies to special interests, such as the HMOs, and to protect the artificially high cost to consumers of prescription drugs.

CP platform http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platfo...

Social Security

The Constitution grants no authority to the federal government to administrate a Social Security system. The Constitution Party advocates phasing out the entire Social Security program, while continuing to meet the obligations already incurred under the system. Until the current Social Security system can be responsibly phased out, we propose that:

* The Social Security tax not be a "rainy day" fund which politicians can pirate, or from which they can borrow to cover their errors and pay for their excesses.
* Individuals who have contributed to Social Security be allowed to withdraw those funds and transfer them into an IRA or similar investments under the control of the individual contributor.
* Any sort of merger between the U.S. Social Security System and that of any foreign country be banned, so the distribution of benefits will not go to persons who have not qualified for payments under American law as legal residents.
* Earning limitations on persons aged 62 and over be removed, so that they may earn any amount of additional income without placing their benefits at risk.
* Those provisions of the Social Security system which penalize those born during the "notch years" between 1917 and 1926 be repealed, and that such persons be placed on the same benefit schedules as all other beneficiaries.

We support the right of individuals to choose between private retirement and pension programs, either at their place of employment or independently.

CP platform http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platfo...

If you read between the lines it involves more government, which is the last thing I want in my life right now. SS is a disaster, Medicare is a disaster, and this will be no different.

jujubee editor wrote:

JCD...Did you learn to read?
The H/C plans are not single payer plus the health plans remain in the equation. Government doesn't run healthplans...maybe medicare. Gov already has an influence with FDA...CDC...Medicare...etc.
Read the plans...Clinton has the better plan because it has mandates.
<quoted text>

with obama you'll get to retire when you die or at 99y.o.- he'll raise taxes so high to spend trillions on ILLEGALs & those too lazy to work for a living's healthcare you won't be able to retire, let alone live!!!

obama insults America then tells us all we have to:

keep our thermostats at temps he wants!
eat less food!
lay off his wife after she makes racist comments!
to believe his lies!
be bitter!
drive whatever he tells us to drive!
he's gonna have tea parties with terrorists & his muslim friends with NO preconditions!
that we are "typical" White people!
that he sat in his racist church for 20 years & never heard his spiritual advisor's racist rants!
he denied $800,000 from rezko - a LIE!
he's buddies to farrahkan & ayers!!!!!!!!

obama is a tax and lie liberal-socialist!
obama is a racist! obama is a liar!

NObama in 2008!

clinton screams sexism

http://sensico.wordpress.com/

My approach to affordable healthcare.

(1) Get the lawyers out of medical care. Presently you can not sign away liability in most states so if the doctor/nurse/therapist errors they will be sued. Consequently doctors perform numerous expensive medical procedures to satisfy legal requirements rather than medical on the outside chance of a lawsuit. Insurance is financially prohibitive as a result. Choose your doctor wisely, trust him and sign a waiver absolving lawsuits. No health treatment is without risk and no doctor errors intentionally. I like to believe they do there absolute best.

(2) Trusting your health to a company that is profit driven is idiocy. Therapists face ethical dilemmas every day as a result and company pressure to make money often interferes. Group therapy substituting for individual care is often the result in many facilities or a token measure of time rather than the allowable hour. Many unnecessary therapy sessions are performed to maximize profits and use all your available Medicaid/Medicare/Insurance monies in the first instance often depriving funds for later in the year.

(3) Too many specialist doctors interested in a perpetual caseload rather than curing your individual health problems. Very profitable albeit expensive to all concerned, often unnecessary and risky at times.

(4) Spread reimbursement more evenly top to bottom. Pay the employees more providing daily care so more and better people will be in the profession. One CNA for 30 patients over an 8 hour shift equates to less than 15 minutes per. Doctors may be over paid while certainly the opposite end of the spectrum is true.

(5) Charge an actual cost for a medical procedure. In a hospital is it the $20,000 charged the uninsured or the $2,000 they charge the insurance companies? Be equal and fair and maybe some treatments will be affordable for all. Simplify the process and reduce the paperwork.

(6) Patient education so they know they have the right to say “NO” when they disagree with a doctor assessment without fear of losing coverage, alienation with a condescending clinician attitude.

(7) Pharmaceutical Companies need to stop spending millions of dollars advertising their products on TV. The drugs that you can not buy over the counter then calling it a development cost then adding it to the price you pay. Trust your doctor he does not need the advice. Doctors get better information than can be received on a 30 second sound bite anyway.

Greed and from Doctors, Lawyers and Pharmaceutical Companies is the major problem with the cost of medical care in this country. Double billing, inaccurate claims or what is better described as FRAUD ----- Follow the money!

{may post twice sorry}

JCD wrote:

If you read between the lines it involves more government, which is the last thing I want in my life right now. SS is a disaster, Medicare is a disaster, and this will be no different.
<quoted text>

HMO and private insurance, in their current form are also a disaster. Obama and Clinton are both trying to improve this system and provide coverage to millions of uninsured Americans.

DAN CLEMENTS wrote:

Health Care and Government
The Constitution Party opposes the governmentalization and bureaucratization of American medicine. Government regulation and subsidy constitutes a threat to both the quality and availability of patient-oriented health care and treatment.
Hospitals, doctors, and other health care providers should be accountable to patients - not to politicians, insurance bureaucrats, or HMO Administrators.
If the supply of medical care is controlled by the federal government, then officers of that government will determine which demand is satisfied. The result will be the rationing of services, higher costs, poorer results - and the power of life and death transferred from caring physicians to unaccountable political overseers.
We denounce any civil government entity using age or any other personal characteristic to: preclude people and insurance firms from freely contracting for medical coverage; conscript such people into socialized medicine, e.g., Medicare; or prohibit these people from using insurance payments and/or their own money to obtain medical services in addition to, or to augment the quality of, those services prescribed by the program.
We applaud proposals for employee-controlled "family coverage" health insurance plans based on cash value life insurance principles.
The federal government has no Constitutional provision to regulate or restrict the freedom of the people to have access to medical care, supplies or treatments. We advocate, therefore, the elimination of the federal Food and Drug Administration, as it has been the federal agency primarily responsible for prohibiting beneficial products, treatments, and technologies here in the United States that are freely available in much of the rest of the civilized world.
We affirm freedom of choice of practitioner and treatment for all citizens for their health care.
We support the right of patients to seek redress of their grievances through the courts against insurers and/or HMO's.
We condemn the misrepresentations made by the Federal Administration in securing passage of the recently enacted Medicare prescription drug bill, and the use of such legislation to secure government subsidies to special interests, such as the HMOs, and to protect the artificially high cost to consumers of prescription drugs.
CP platform http://www.constitutionparty.com/party_platfo...

You lost me as a voter. Medical care is not now in the hands of caring medical professionals. It is in the hands of unaccountable profit driven executives who squeeze the most profit out of your illnesses.

Since congress has abdicated its responsibility to the FDA and has let it become a "cover" for bad food and drugs, we have had repeated occurrences of illness and death from companies putting out known bad products. The companies can simply change their names so no one knows that they have done it repeatedly with no consequences.

jujubee editor wrote:

JCD...Did you learn to read?
The H/C plans are not single payer plus the health plans remain in the equation. Government doesn't run healthplans...maybe medicare. Gov already has an influence with FDA...CDC...Medicare...etc.
Read the plans...Clinton has the better plan because it has mandates.
<quoted text>

I don't like mandates. I want health care, not an insurance policy that may decide to drop me as a customer if I actually need health care.

Mandates are just another tax, except it goes to the profit of a private company. They can charge whatever they want, I have to pay, but I get no assurances of actually receiving any benefit from what I pay.

The mandate does nothing to provide health care. It just takes my money. We need health care, not just another tax that goes to corporate welfare.

KY exit-poll aftermath / Petition;

If you are a Hillary supporter who is upset and will
stay home or vote McCain over Obama, read and
sign at;

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/Nobama

-

Republicans only want rich white people to have financial security and health.

They want everyone else to get sick and be poor so there is more money for them.

whoever judges these comments has poop for brains and has no right to to judge anything!!

Wise Intelligent wrote:

Republicans only want rich white people to have financial security and health.
They want everyone else to get sick and be poor so there is more money for them.

Get over it already!

Mandates are necessary. Everyone needs to contribute SOMETHING. The reason our health-care system is in a state of collapse is due to the charity care for uninsured people who flood our ERs.

There should be a sliding scale payment plan.

Senator Clinton's plan is sensible. Her opponent HOPES everyone will get on board. Not realistic and fatal to the future of our health-care system.

Don Joe wrote:

<quoted text>
You lost me as a voter. Medical care is not now in the hands of caring medical professionals. It is in the hands of unaccountable profit driven executives who squeeze the most profit out of your illnesses.
Since congress has abdicated its responsibility to the FDA and has let it become a "cover" for bad food and drugs, we have had repeated occurrences of illness and death from companies putting out known bad products. The companies can simply change their names so no one knows that they have done it repeatedly with no consequences.

why have we lost you as a voter? The Constitution Party wants to get the government out of health care and put the control back into the hands of the people!!

jujubee editor wrote:

Don Joe, Perhaps you are misunderstanding the meaning of mandate. It simply means that everyone must have coverage. The difference between Clinton's and Obama's plan is that Clinton's has the mandate whereas Obama's allows many individuals not to be covered. Plus Obama seems to be creating a new bureaucracy that tends to drive Repubs crazy.
I believe when you say "may decide to drop me as a customer" you are referring to pre-existing conditions. Clinton's plan would not have that issue. The problem with McCain's Healthcare Tax Credit is people who have a pre-existing condition (such as cancer, diabetes, or other diseases) will not be able to locate coverage on their own.
I've included some articles that contrast the differences:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/polit...
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-...
http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_9211570
Read for yourself and you will realize that Clinton has the better plan.
<quoted text>

I don't like Clinton's nor Obama's plans. When you say everyone must have coverage, to me that means everyone must purchase insurance, no matter the cost, and there are no requirements on the insurance companies to actually provide service for that payment

I was not referring to pre-existing conditions. BCBS has be sued recently because they drop existing customers, without pre-existing conditions, when the customer becomes ill and needs medical care. Any insurance company can do this. It increases the profit they make.

I want to remove the insurance industry from health care. They do not provide any added benefit. They only take money out of the system. We end up with profit driven, accountable to no one, executives who get to make our health care decisions. Somehow we need to get the decisions as to our health care back in our hands, to be shared with medical professionals, not bureaucrats.

DAN CLEMENTS wrote:

<quoted text>
why have we lost you as a voter? The Constitution Party wants to get the government out of health care and put the control back into the hands of the people!!

The government has a role to play in our lives. Since we have social interactions we need the government to act as referee in those interactions. I can draw the analogy to a football game. There are specific rules of the game, supposedly to make the playing field level. The government plays the role of the referees and penalizes anyone who breaks the rules.

For example with the FDA. They were responsible to assure the public that we have safe food and drugs. More recently they have changed their mission to protecting the companies which make and sell food and drugs. They are not protecting the public. When a company ends up making a huge profit selling dangerous products which kill people, they have to change their names so no one knows it was them as they switch to new, dangerous products that kill more people.

Similarly if a bank robber keeps robbing a bank and the police never stop the thief.

Health care is mostly in the hands of insurance companies which are required by law to make as much money as possible. So when you are sick, they can simply void the insurance you paid for and keep your money. This does not provide health care. It is a mechanism to steal your money. The government has a responsibility to stop the thief.