Random drug testing approved by Trinity ISD

State Supreme Court Rules against Suspicionless Student Drug Testing (3/13/2008)

The Washington Supreme Court today unanimously found that Wahkiakum School District’s policy of suspicionless urine testing for students who participate in extracurricular athletic activities is unconstitutional. The American Civil Liberties Union of Washington challenged the suspicionless testing program on behalf of two families in the district, including a deputy sheriff and an emergency room doctor.

...Writing the lead opinion, Justice Richard Sanders said,“… no argument has been presented that would bring the random drug testing within any reasonable interpretation of the constitutionally required ‘authority of law.’”

http://www.aclu.org/drugpolicy/testing/34512p...

STATEWIDE PROGRAM LARGEST IN U.S. HISTORY

Everything is bigger in Texas, and that’s true of its state high-school steroid testing program, too. Drug Free Sport recently learned that it has been selected to administer the Texas high-school steroid testing program, which is believed to be not only the largest high-school sports drug-testing program but the largest sports drug-testing program in the United States. The University Interscholastic League (UIL), the governing body for extracurricular activities in Texas public schools, selected Drug Free Sport from 14 companies that bid for the program, which is slated to begin testing student-athletes immediately.

...Drug Free Sport will make good use of its extensive network of collection crews to administer the urine tests at approximately 400 randomly selected high schools across the state. The collections will work much like those in other high-school programs Drug Free Sport administers, using a “strict monitored” protocol rather than an “observed protocol” that is used in college and elite sport. Validators of the same gender will accompany the student-athletes to the restroom and have the athletes empty their pockets. The student-athlete will then enter the stall and produce the sample while the collector waits outside the stall.(Collectors use blue dye in the toilet to eliminate the possibility that student-athletes could add water to their sample in the stall.) Subsequent tests for pH and water content take place on site, then the sample is packaged and sent to a certified laboratory.

http://www.drugfreesport.com/insight.asp...

"This article takes a close look at the debate over drug testing in schools. Broken into five separate sections, it provides a thorough summary of the discussion surrounding school drug testing. Part I highlights the legal history of drug testing in schools and includes a brief review of the four court cases that influence current thinking on drug testing. Part II is a brief snapshot of state-level legislative trends from the 2007 session. Part III outlines the major arguments for both sides of the drug testing debate. Part IV features three studies that survey school administrators for their thoughts on drug testing. Part V lists factors and questions for a school district to consider when looking to implement a drug testing policy."

http://www.aasa.org/policy/content.cfm...

This should include teachers as well.

The Texas Constitution
Article 1 - BILL OF RIGHTS

Section 9 - SEARCHES AND SEIZURES

The people shall be secure in their persons, houses, papers and possessions, from all unreasonable seizures or searches, and no warrant to search any place, or to seize any person or thing, shall issue without describing them as near as may be, nor without probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation.

Section 29 - PROVISIONS OF BILL OF RIGHTS EXCEPTED FROM POWERS OF GOVERNMENT; TO FOREVER REMAIN INVIOLATE

To guard against transgressions of the high powers herein delegated, we declare that everything in this "Bill of Rights" is excepted out of the general powers of government, and shall forever remain inviolate, and all laws contrary thereto, or to the following provisions, shall be void.

http://tlo2.tlc.state.tx.us/txconst/articles/...

And the state shall have law abiding citizens. Those who break the law shall be punished.

Friday, April 4, 2008
Texas

Drug testing opposition grows in Flower Mound

Students at Flower Mound High School participating in any extracurricular activities (and any student with a parking permit) will be given "the privacy of a stall" to provide a urine sample, should they be selected for a random drug test as part of Lewisville ISD's new drug testing program.

In what may be one of the most far-reaching applications of random student drug testing since a divided United States Supreme Court upheld the practice in 2002, Lewisville ISD's new aggressive,$437,787 campaign to combat teen drug use is meant to deter and decrease use, along with providing counseling for students already using illegal drugs, according to the Lewisville ISD...

http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2008/apr/04/d...

Video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

"If it feels good, do it" is the philosophy that has gotten this nation in the shape its in. It may feel good to a teenager or an adult to take the "drugs" they want to take, BUT, IF it's breaking the law they shouldn't have that right. When you get a nation full of people who believe they can just do whatever they please without reprocussions, this is what you have. Someone else stepping in (government) and trying to keep the law. If we had continued to teach our kids in the 60's and 70's that if you do wrong, punishment will come maybe the government wouldn't have had to step in on the random drug testing. As far as me, I have no problem with a drug test. I don't do drugs or alcohol or tobacco and YES, I have a wonderful happy fulfilled life. There are consequences to pay for breaking the law, simple fact of life that sometimes is learned late in life and with some people, THEY NEVER LEARN.

LISD Students AGAINST Unconstitutional Random Student Drug Testing

MySpace Page:

http://groups.myspace.com/index.cfm...

Let them be against anything they want to be against. That doesn't make it law. A teenager is not an adult. They should be living under the law of their parents, school and society in general. Obey the laws of the land.

But a Parent should not give away their childs Protection under the constitution.. Now you are saying it's "Okay", but when Junior gets stopped by Sheriff Jones and he wants to search their Vehicle without cause or Warrant (Simply because you Voted against him) you will be the same ones SCREAMING at the top of your lungs to have him removed for... You guessed it "Illegal search"

PG says "Obey the Law of the Land"
The Law of the Land IS the Constitution of the United States of America, AND the Constitution of the State of Texas.. Both Prohibiting these invasions of Personal Privacy.
If you have a child you think is doing drugs. YOU the parent need to do the testing and take "Appropriate" actions.

Time to "Man UP" and take responsibility.

If Jim Bob Tests positive for Pot by the school, you can forget him getting a scholorship from ANYBODY, No FEDERAL Loans to help pay for school.
He'll be working part-time at the new Micky D's in Trinity at 30.

You let them take your childrens rights, Yours WILL be next

EXTex ESQ wrote:

But a Parent should not give away their childs Protection under the constitution.. Now you are saying it's "Okay", but when Junior gets stopped by Sheriff Jones and he wants to search their Vehicle without cause or Warrant (Simply because you Voted against him) you will be the same ones SCREAMING at the top of your lungs to have him removed for... You guessed it "Illegal search"
PG says "Obey the Law of the Land"
The Law of the Land IS the Constitution of the United States of America, AND the Constitution of the State of Texas.. Both Prohibiting these invasions of Personal Privacy.
If you have a child you think is doing drugs. YOU the parent need to do the testing and take "Appropriate" actions.
Time to "Man UP" and take responsibility.
If Jim Bob Tests positive for Pot by the school, you can forget him getting a scholorship from ANYBODY, No FEDERAL Loans to help pay for school.
He'll be working part-time at the new Micky D's in Trinity at 30.
You let them take your childrens rights, Yours WILL be next

Amen. Parents if you want your children tested the test them yourselves. If you want your children to stay out of trouble then keep them out of trouble. They are YOUR children so they are your responsibility. Teach them right from wrong and then enforce your rules. BUt don't let the government in to raise them for you. Don't let them start with their rights and end with yours.

Pure Gossip wrote:

"If it feels good, do it" is the philosophy that has gotten this nation in the shape its in.

This is a myth. The U.S. since 2005 has had the highest incarceration rate in the world (after going neck-and-neck, we beat out the Russians). So people are obviously going to jail. It's not like people are running around doing what they want. People are paying for their actions.
This drug testing is egregious because the student has done nothing to warrant suspicion. The student simply signed up for school choir, or FFA. BAM, we need you to pee in this cup.
Pure Gossip talks about obeying the law, etc. but no law is broken when the TISD drug testing takes effect, it is triggered by a student's wanting to participate in extracurricular activities.
And obeying the law isn't what TISD administrators are trotting out as a reason for the testing. They're saying, in effect, that the testing makes for a handy and believable excuse not to do drugs. Effectively saying that student peer pressure will fall off if a student is able to say to his friends, "Sorry, I can't smoke that, if I flunk the drug test then I can't play on Friday."

Let_Charlie_Fight_His_War wrote:

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This is a myth. The U.S. since 2005 has had the highest incarceration rate in the world (after going neck-and-neck, we beat out the Russians). So people are obviously going to jail. It's not like people are running around doing what they want. People are paying for their actions.
This drug testing is egregious because the student has done nothing to warrant suspicion. The student simply signed up for school choir, or FFA. BAM, we need you to pee in this cup.
Pure Gossip talks about obeying the law, etc. but no law is broken when the TISD drug testing takes effect, it is triggered by a student's wanting to participate in extracurricular activities.
And obeying the law isn't what TISD administrators are trotting out as a reason for the testing. They're saying, in effect, that the testing makes for a handy and believable excuse not to do drugs. Effectively saying that student peer pressure will fall off if a student is able to say to his friends, "Sorry, I can't smoke that, if I flunk the drug test then I can't play on Friday."

That is the problem. Why can't parents do this with their kids? Why can't they make sure their kids are doing what is right? That is what is really wrong in this country. Parents won't take responsibility for their children. Parents want to sit back lazily and let society and schools and law enforcers worry about their teenagers. Parents stand up and dot the right thing yourself.

That is exactly what I'm talking about.(Charlie, the law is broken the first time that student injects, sniffs or anything else they do in order to get drugs into their system. The law is broken. You say our prisons are full. You bet they are. Because people feel like they can do whatever they want and get by with it. By the way, I'm all for going back to the old prison ways. You wouldn't have the repeaters we have now. You go to prison, you lost your rights.) If a student is free of drugs, they don't have a problem being tested. Are breathalizer tests illegal? No. When my children were growing up, they had NO RIGHTS. As long as they lived in my house, it was my roof and my beds they slept in and my table they put their feet under and my food they ate. They didn't have a problem with that. And now they are responsible adults. Why do teenagers now adays feel they have rights. Because there is a group of people who want to take parental rights away and give them to the children. They are not on their own, supporting themselves, or wait, maybe they are. Selling drugs instead of working at McDonald's after school. Don't get me wrong, we have some good kids here in Trinity and I'm darn proud of them and tell them so. My children knew that if they got into trouble at school. They'd be in a heep of trouble when they got home and guess what? I didn't have any trouble with them. And yes, I think if Sheriff Jones deems it necessary to search a vehicle he should.

Pure Gossip wrote:

That is exactly what I'm talking about.(Charlie, the law is broken the first time that student injects, sniffs or anything else they do in order to get drugs into their system. The law is broken. You say our prisons are full. You bet they are. Because people feel like they can do whatever they want and get by with it. By the way, I'm all for going back to the old prison ways. You wouldn't have the repeaters we have now. You go to prison, you lost your rights.) If a student is free of drugs, they don't have a problem being tested. Are breathalizer tests illegal? No. When my children were growing up, they had NO RIGHTS. As long as they lived in my house, it was my roof and my beds they slept in and my table they put their feet under and my food they ate. They didn't have a problem with that. And now they are responsible adults. Why do teenagers now adays feel they have rights. Because there is a group of people who want to take parental rights away and give them to the children. They are not on their own, supporting themselves, or wait, maybe they are. Selling drugs instead of working at McDonald's after school. Don't get me wrong, we have some good kids here in Trinity and I'm darn proud of them and tell them so. My children knew that if they got into trouble at school. They'd be in a heep of trouble when they got home and guess what? I didn't have any trouble with them. And yes, I think if Sheriff Jones deems it necessary to search a vehicle he should.

When a kid signs up for football, no laws have been broken. Why then the suspicion of guilt? Then, after the test, he goes to Government class where he learns we are all innocent until proven guilty. I would understand his laughing out loud in class about that!

better yet pure gossip, while you're giving away our rights, lets let the government decide too, that if your child hangs out with a child that got busted with drugs in his system that he goes to jail too, screw up his entire life because he associated with someone whom he had no clue did drugs, now we have two in jail, oh lets not forget the child that goes to her first party, and someone puts the date rape drug in her drink (non alcoholic), she wakes up after the party feeling crappy, not sure what happened and thinks she is just ill. Yeah, the school can test her later (her being no wiser) and find drugs in her system too and convict her as well. No matter how it got there, all the government wanted to do was to find drugs in the students system and help them right? They will help once they are done with the court hearings and the felony is placed proudly on her record and she can never be employed with anyone to brag about. But wait, she can have it over turned (if she has the money to fight it) but still her name was drug through the mud over this, but according to you, its okay, the government is above mistakes right? We dont need constitutional rights to protect us from the power we give the government.

Pure Gossip wrote:
"Are breathalizer tests illegal?"
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Friday, May 02, 2008
Breathalyzers for thee but not for me

For years Williamson County District Attorney John Bradley has been on the warpath regarding drivers stopped for DWI who refuse breath tests, even though most criminal defense lawyers will tell you the technology is unreliable and not worth risking your liberty over.(Even police officers routinely refuse breathalyzer tests when stopped for DWI.)

So I wonder what will happen now that Williamson County State Rep. Mike Krusee was arrested for DWI and refused a breathalyzer test?

Krusee is a Republican, but this isn't really a partisan matter. I recall Rep. Harold Dutton also refused a breathalyzer test when he was arrested for DWI in Austin last year. If the folks writing the laws, and enforcing them, won't take these tests, how with a straight face can they penalize others for making the same decision?

http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2008/05...

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You can refuse, of course your DL will be suspended for a certain period of time. Same thing with random drug test - you can refuse, and give up activities. See they cant make you do these things (they are unconstitutional) so they trick you into voluntarily giving up your "rights"

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Pure Gossip also wrote:
"When my children were growing up, they had NO RIGHTS. As long as they lived in my house, it was my roof and my beds they slept in and my table they put their feet under and my food they ate. They didn't have a problem with that. And now they are responsible adults."

There is a big difference in the "rights" you as a parent overrule and those that "we" as a society are willing to let the Feds overrule.

another stupid remark wrote:

better yet pure gossip, while you're giving away our rights, lets let the government decide too, that if your child hangs out with a child that got busted with drugs in his system that he goes to jail too, screw up his entire life because he associated with someone whom he had no clue did drugs, now we have two in jail, oh lets not forget the child that goes to her first party, and someone puts the date rape drug in her drink (non alcoholic), she wakes up after the party feeling crappy, not sure what happened and thinks she is just ill. Yeah, the school can test her later (her being no wiser) and find drugs in her system too and convict her as well. No matter how it got there, all the government wanted to do was to find drugs in the students system and help them right? They will help once they are done with the court hearings and the felony is placed proudly on her record and she can never be employed with anyone to brag about. But wait, she can have it over turned (if she has the money to fight it) but still her name was drug through the mud over this, but according to you, its okay, the government is above mistakes right? We dont need constitutional rights to protect us from the power we give the government.

Those are all excuses. It would benefit parents to know who their children are "hanging" with. It would also benefit parents to teach their children what to drink and how to drink at partys. I did. If a child doesn't have anything to hide, they will take the test if its required and smile and simply say, "Just say No and mean No". No other excuses needed.

Cywar wrote:

Pure Gossip wrote:
"Are breathalizer tests illegal?"
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Friday, May 02, 2008
Breathalyzers for thee but not for me
For years Williamson County District Attorney John Bradley has been on the warpath regarding drivers stopped for DWI who refuse breath tests, even though most criminal defense lawyers will tell you the technology is unreliable and not worth risking your liberty over.(Even police officers routinely refuse breathalyzer tests when stopped for DWI.)
So I wonder what will happen now that Williamson County State Rep. Mike Krusee was arrested for DWI and refused a breathalyzer test?
Krusee is a Republican, but this isn't really a partisan matter. I recall Rep. Harold Dutton also refused a breathalyzer test when he was arrested for DWI in Austin last year. If the folks writing the laws, and enforcing them, won't take these tests, how with a straight face can they penalize others for making the same decision?
http://gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2008/05...
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You can refuse, of course your DL will be suspended for a certain period of time. Same thing with random drug test - you can refuse, and give up activities. See they cant make you do these things (they are unconstitutional) so they trick you into voluntarily giving up your "rights"
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Pure Gossip also wrote:
"When my children were growing up, they had NO RIGHTS. As long as they lived in my house, it was my roof and my beds they slept in and my table they put their feet under and my food they ate. They didn't have a problem with that. And now they are responsible adults."
There is a big difference in the "rights" you as a parent overrule and those that "we" as a society are willing to let the Feds overrule.

Just don't drink and drive. It's simple. Just abide by the "original" law and you're OK. I don't know what the big problem is with obeying the laws. You don't do drugs, you don't drink and drive, you're innocent. I won't reply to this string again. All kinds of excuses can be made and all kinds of "what ifs". Just obey the law and you won't have any problems. This is what's wrong with our society today. We think we can take one drink or two drinks and drive home, but oh gosh if we're stopped, we haven't done anything wrong. A little marijuana is not bad. I don't do meth or coke or anything like that. But it is AGAINST THE LAW. Just obey the laws.