Elan School Has New Online Radio Station For Parent Of Troubled Teens

Hey I just filled out four thousand word group of questions that I would like to ask Martin Kruglik and Jefro Gottlieb and now I am wondering oh where did it go. I wonder this times out.

I hope these professional in my opinion criminally abusive child abusers would answer some questions that I had on their radio shill show!!??

Kruglik would you be so kind and answer this : what was the therapuetic value in making a 15 year old girl(who had curviture of the spine ,a physical condition, that makes it iimpossible to stand up straight) wear a crown of tampoons dipped in ketchup around her head? I witnessed this and to this day I still wonder what was the therapuetic value in this act???

Question for Kruglik and Gottlieb did you really think that you could cure curviture of the spine, a medical condition where it is impossible for a person to stand up straight,thru brutal, out right sick mutipile "general meetings", because you fine administrators of therapy believed that this young woman was copping "attitude" by not standing up straight?

Kruglik did it make you feel good to have a young woman that suffered from curviture of the spine crawl on her stomach to knock on a door , not once ,many ,many times? And my follow up do you still do this to human beings that suffer medical conditions?

Kruglik and Gottlieb we suvivors (and thank God there are many of us and there are many that have died in my opinion for just having come in contact with this place)know that the elan (corporation) school was a criminally,sick barbaricly , insanely,abusive brutal place. Do men feel any guilt or are you such (in my opinion) sick sociopaths that it JUST rolls off your back like water off a duck?

Not to be repetive ,my last question should have read.... do you men(Gottlieb,Kruglik) feel any guilt ?...

I have many ,many more questions for Kruglik and Gottlieb,(and rest assured you old boys) I am going to be asking them here. Many,many more questions.

Kruglik and Gottlieb do you think that putting human beings in the corner for 6 to 10 months at a time was giving the parents and insurance companies the best therapuetic bang for their buck? At 54,0000 dollars a year do you think you defrauded parents and insurance companies by this practice?

Gottlieb and Kruglik what can you tell parents to reasure them that there child will not be subjected to bazarre,(in my opinion)criminally insane,sick, barbaricly abusive treatment, and Gottlieb telling us your pat answer "we don't do it that way anymore" isn't going to cut it?

To Kruglik and Gottlieb if you would please answer for the listeners of your (in my opinion) elan shill radio show. From what I witnessed at elan to how you dealt with young girls in my opinion do you consider yourselves to be serial misogynists or do you prefer the general catch all term of, again from what I witnessed and in my opinion supreme sadistic child abusers?

Kruglik and Gottlieb how do you feel that people that graduated from your, in my opinion,physically abusive mind rape mill of a program program,(I hold in my hand a diploma)that many ,many ,many "graduates" consider themselves survivors of elan and not graduates? why do you think that is?

Kruglik and Gottlieb when was the last time your program used the "boxing ring"? This was the practice where upon an individual received a serious beatdown,

Danny wrote:

"I think that parents preparing to drop ~$150,000 to “help” their children deserve to know the truth-and the children deserve not to be exposed to “treatment”(extended isolation, mass verbal degradation, refusal of family visitation for 1-2 years, censoring of communication, etc.)"

Danny Bennison you were one of the abuser too and still keep contact with Marty and Jeff you brag.

I remember you would put people in thing ring and corner, your name is everywere as a bad abuser and person

Anyone who sends their kid to this programs is a complete idiot. and should be placed in an adult version of Elan to see what bullshit they are putting their kid threw.

To Those of you posters that have attended this what is apparently a "horror camp"....I am just curious what became of you....and i apoligize if that sounds impersonal...I dont mean it to but I guess I dont really know how to word it. I guess to explain myself a bit....Im guessing that your parents though that by placing you at Elan they thought they were making the right choice for you based on the situation at the time. For example if you were considered a "bad kid" did you leave there changed? I mean did the "bad behavior" that they put you there for change? My sons father went there almost 20 years ago and spoke of the boxing ring but never wanted to talk about his experience any further....I always just thought he was trying to forget. I am in no way trying to make fun or offend anybody at all. I do apoligize if it seems that way....I did the best I could to try and explain myself. And Im sorry for all who have experienced this place and sorry for the kids who will in the future. Isnt there any regulations about this kind of treatment? sounds to me like Hitler runs this place...

I responded to you questions but it did not post and I do noy have time to post another 4000 character resones . no offense is taking from your questions and possibly in the future I will be able to give you answers to your mosdt excellent questions....there is a book called A Life gone Awry : My True Story about the Elan School. It won't answer your question but it will let you know what we went thru. It is by Wayne Kernochan and it is on a public page on Facebook. there are good reasons why your son's Dad doesn't want to talk about it.

Just curious wrote:

To Those of you posters that have attended this what is apparently a "horror camp"....I am just curious what became of you....and i apoligize if that sounds impersonal...I dont mean it to but I guess I dont really know how to word it. I guess to explain myself a bit....Im guessing that your parents though that by placing you at Elan they thought they were making the right choice for you based on the situation at the time. For example if you were considered a "bad kid" did you leave there changed? I mean did the "bad behavior" that they put you there for change? My sons father went there almost 20 years ago and spoke of the boxing ring but never wanted to talk about his experience any further....I always just thought he was trying to forget. I am in no way trying to make fun or offend anybody at all. I do apoligize if it seems that way....I did the best I could to try and explain myself. And Im sorry for all who have experienced this place and sorry for the kids who will in the future. Isnt there any regulations about this kind of treatment? sounds to me like Hitler runs this place...

"Just Curious",Elan was a scam and it worked well, the long and short is Joe Ricci had allot of political connections and so did his partner Davidson ,so to just shut them down isn't that easy,States have investigated and removed kids over the years but the place continues. Maine I don't think enforces all laws the same or something I don't know,I own a Constuction Co. and do well, and I can answer for some of the people I know from there that they are running along very successful too.All of us there weren't totally crazy, at least when we got there,LOL.But I know that if your sons Father sat and told you stories, you would think was full of shit or had a real bad memory. Maybe even trying to scare you stright, but he is telling the truth,Most would think we got what we had coming as A-Hole kids, and deservingly so,but this place was not a treatment center by any stretch of the imagination.It's one of those Funked Up Hell's like you see in the movies.A place were nothing made scene,and everyone was going 100 miles an hour to stay out of the way. Believe your Sons Father,he has probably only told of the nice parts.

I did kinda think that the few stories he told were exaggerated just for my sympathy...imagine how my heart sank when i read a bit of these posts that as i was reading them i could hear his voice telling me the same story.
I live in Maine and have all my life. It says Im from Sanford but im not.(not sure how to change it but not sure it matters much) Anyways My father lives literally 2 miles from this place. It makes me sick to think that this stuff happens right out our back door. I mean my son is 15 and has some really bad issues i have battled for years but I could never send him to this place....but apparently your parents where "blinded" to the truth. I have visions of 1000's of survivors and anti-elan people just forcing our way in and burning the entire place to the ground....thats just a vision not a threat.
My sons dad has battled many demons both currently and a lot from his past. I have always tried to overlook them and try and understand but i guess there is so much more that i could never understand.
Thanks for the info on the Facebook page. I have read chapter 1 and will read the rest later. Thanks for sharing your stories and lets all hope this place will someday be truely exposed for what it is and no child will have to be tortured again.

"Just curious":

If you live in Maine there are many things you can do to help, the first is to tell everyone around you about Elan and about the numerous survivor info which has only recently been gaining momentum. So don't assume that the amount of info thats now available somehow means it is now common knowledge.

In my opinion, one person from Maine fighting to expose the Elan School is worth 5 or 6 people from outside the state. Especially if you live in the part of Maine near Elan. I would suggest making a trip to the local police stations and turning them on to the info. Even though I am sure they already know, repetition can do wonders. It would also be interesting to ask them very calm and rational questions, be genuinely interested in how much they know and try to find out their stances, as people and not as cops, on many of the allegations. Ask them "Even if Elan School no longer uses the Ring, do you think that a "school" that ever used this method as therapy should be trusted to govern themselves? And the Ring wasn't ancient history, we are talking about the 21st century here: 2001-2002."

Ask them if they are aware that the Maine Department of Education has a rule that makes it necessary to give any institution labeled as a 'school' a 24-hour notice before any visit or inspection. So Elan has never been given a surprise visit, ever. They have only been surprised by other states who immediately were aghast at the cult-like atmosphere and use of humiliation as a "tool". Yet Maine continues to allow Elan to operate because they haven't seen it themselves. More importantly, despite being caught red-handed doing many illegal things, even after being caught once and told to stop, the attitude of Maine has literally been: "Well they promised that this time they really would stop".

The only reason Elan has gotten any media coverage at all is because a relative of the Kennedy family was there. Even the corrupt Maine politicians, judges, and media (who were paid by the Elan creator, multi-millionaire Joseph Ricci) could not compete with a last name like that.

Believe me when I tell you that your 15 year old son would be accepted in a second by Elan, just call them and ask, see what they say. You can even call them and describe a perfectly normal teenager and they will only ask how quickly you can aquire the deposit from the bank.

People from Maine can make flyers and distribute or post them at local high schools and universities, all the info you would need can be copy and pasted from here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/self/comments/ec3xh/e...
http://theelanschool.tumblr.com/
http://www.elanschool.org/...

Picture your son being forced to ritually humiliate and torture other children under the threat of being tortured himself. Picture the Elan staff (and its still run by the same ones who were there since the beginning) loving every minute of it as they upgrade to the new Mercedes. Picture your son being forced to accept the fact that he will never be able to call you or write you letters without the threat of torture, while they add infinity swimming pools to their mansions.

Do not think that Elan is different, there are plenty of recent testimonies available:
[recent testimony 1](http://theelanschool.tumblr.com/post/26551350... )
[recent testimony 2](http://theelanschool.tumblr.com/post/23283632... )
[recent testimony 3](http://theelanschool.tumblr.com/post/23179858... )

Thanks JC, concerned citizens like you give us survivors hope. Because its hard to see the reality sometimes until you can see it through someone reacting to the information who has never been there. Many survivors have become numb to it unfortunately.

Roy, I am balling my eyes out after reading your post and the images you have led me to think about regarding my son. I do have to admit that my son is probably one of the "typical" cases that would be accepted there. He has been a troubled kid for almost all of his life...I am the target of his anger but would never even think about sending him there just based on the info i got from his dad.
I can not speak for anybody else but I do have to admit that the stories I heard were so unbelievable that I really did have many doubts about if they were true. Seriously its like we all think hitler and Sadamm Hussein were horrible people...Well what about our own treating children...people who dont even know what life is about yet....with such abuse that if I got caught "paddling" my dog the way described I would be arrested on the spot...not to mention the story would be the top news story of the day.
I am still absorbing all of this and have a few questions. Does anybody know anybody from Maine who went there and still lives in Maine? Im concerned that I might be told that there is nothing The Police or Sheriff's dept(I think it would be the sheriff's dept for Poland) can do with any info I have because its "hearsay". What about Dept of Human services? Or child protection services? or are out of state kids under different rules than residents of Maine?
Roy I will be able to study your links further a little later but I would like any "legal" info that anybody has as far as the state of Maine.
I can tell u all that my sons dad did not fair too well after Elan...I guess thats why I asked my original question....and I guess I really wondered if anybody was able to be successful after attending Elan....I mean no offense when I say this but it would seem to me that all they "breed" are angry ax-murdering types....ya know how can kids really rebound from that kind of torture and become "normal" people?...I feel so bad for you that went through all this....I REALLY DO!!