Job Corps expels 4 students

why do we have job corps here in upstate ny?? all they do is crime every week there is a problem with them. they need to go back to the city and let the city deal with them

The program is a cesspool of business arragements between Dept of Labor and private companies. I am involed with 2 in Maryland. At Woodland and Woodstock. The vendor who operates both is Adams and Associates. I have uncovered so much corruption, crime and coverup its unbievable.

I know someone who is going to go there soon! Is it really bad? What kind of crime rates are commited on campus or in residence halls. The girl is going to get another chance at getting a job and ged and I dont want her to go in an environment that is just as rough as being at home! Please offer some advice! Thanking you in advance for your time
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gary simonds wrote:

why do we have job corps here in upstate ny?? all they do is crime every week there is a problem with them. they need to go back to the city and let the city deal with them

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I know someone who is going to go there soon! Is it really bad? What kind of crimes are commited? What is the crime rate on oneonta campus or in residence halls? The girl is going to get another chance at getting a job and a GED and I dont want her to go in an environment that is just as rough as being at home! Please offer some advice! Thanking you in advance for your time!
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I went to Oneonta Job Corps and just like every school it has it's problems. If you just keep at your school work and not get involved with all of the Drama you will do fine. I got my GED in 2 weeks and completed my trade in 1 year i made it out alive and i think she will too. You just can't listen to all of the rumors if they didn't live there they don't know how it is. I think she will do fine.

I'm thinking of going to the Oneonta job corps location... i was wondering what to expect of the campus? what do they have there? do they have a gym, laundromat... ect.? and when can we go of campus? what is the living environment like?

I'm not very familiar with Job Corp, but I have a student who really wants to go into it. He's started hanging out with a really tough crowd and a couple of his 'friends' are going there. He's had some trouble with class work, but never with the law. Is this a good choice for a 16 year old trying to escape curfew from his mom?
Thanks for your help!!

I can only speak on Woodland Job Corps, in Laurel, Maryland, a suburb of Wash. DC. There are many teachers, counselors, resident counselors who came there with a good heart and remain there despite a widespread belief that the mission is being ignored because managment at the top is really only interested in keepng and maintaining their power and the bonuses they get for keeping costs down. We have seen many, many students who leave after 8-11months no more prepared for a job than when they entered.
I do not want to list the outrageous negative things going on at Woodland for fear of being found out and getting fired. Fear is the operative word here. George Bush could get lessons from Woodland management in how to keep people fearful.

gary simonds wrote:

why do we have job corps here in upstate ny?? all they do is crime every week there is a problem with them. they need to go back to the city and let the city deal with them

You song soo stupid and ignorant.

im not ignorant to the crime that they cause every week in the police blotter there names are there!!! imported nyc punks that was one step in front of the law. nyc didnt want them!!! so they thought they would sent them to us and make them are problem and cost the taxpayer!! the only ignorant one is you fool!!you sound real stupid!! and you dont know a damm thing!!maybe you can care of washingtons problems and leave upstate ny to the people who have to deal with these jerks

Okay first and foremost I would like to put out there that I am a former Oneonta JobCorps student and to think that all the students there are bad is just sorry to say it but stupid. Not everyone that attends JobCorps is bad and believe it of not most of them have never been involved with the police. I was there for 14 months and I've seen things and I've accomplished things. I am sorry to say it Mr. Simonds but your statements display you to be a very sad individual. It also displays that you are week minded and not adaptable to change. Believe it or not it is people like you that make the youth of the city think the way they do, like they can't get anywhere or that they don't deserve the same things that you have. Take a time to think about all the lives that were changed from being upstate in your precious "upstate". I'm not trying to bash you but I mean this is 2007 and to be stuck in the same mind as the 1950 is not a good site. For further information not that you would really take this into consideration, most youth that are moved to a different environment have a better chance of succeeding than staying in the same and seeing the same thing everyday. Many go upstate and see new things and strive for that so that their children don't have to go through the same crap that they were used to. Don't let the few incidents that took place upstate make you believe all is bad.

a few incidents????? every week in the daily star paper under the police blotter there was there names all from the job corps. even this story on sept 28 in the star paper said 4 job corps arrested for assault and robbery this crap have been going on ever sense they started job corps in upstate ny.crime after crime and its us taxpayers that have to pay for it.nyc thinks it can send us their street punks and gang creeps so we can babysit them and tolerate their bad acts.im sure that the OPD would be glad to see them go.im sure their is a few students that will do well but its rest that give it a bad name. and when their names are in the paper under police blotter.i think they need to move job corps back to nyc and let the city deal with jerks

anybody know anybody who works or did work at a Job Corps center?

I understand you fully but have you actually spent time with these "city punks" and "gang creeps" or had a conversation with them. I bet you could never walk a day in their lives because you would not know what to do with yourself. There is a screening process before you enter JobCorps and where you go is based on what trade you decide to take up. I'm not trying to take up for them but you have to see it from another light also. There are many reasons why different incidents happen and to tell you the truth many "city punks" or "gang creeps" conduct these events because they feel this is what you expect. You talking about moving the center to the city, well if you did your research the centers upstate provide better courses then the ones here in the city because either there is not enough space or there are not enough funds. Are you will to spend your money to find a place in the city for the same things that are offered elsewhere? I though not. Ok, enough of you, friscorod I know plenty of people who have worked there. Are you looking for anyone in particular?

Well I go to the Gary Job Corps in San Marcos, Tx, and we have just as much problems on campus. Gary Job Corps is the largest Job Corps Campus. I am a resident at Job Corps and personally i couldnt say that i hate it, but i couldnt say that i love it. There are always things happening here too with the students and crimes. There is always drama! I've been here for half a year and i already got my GED and im waiting to finish my trade. Its been hard there were a lot of times where i felt i just wanted to go home because of all the things that go on here on campus. There are always fights and sometimes it gets real tense on campus between everyone and its like its all in the atmosphere and sometimes riots break out. From what ive experienced here and from other comments that ive read about the other Job Corps i can say that wherever you go there is always going to be some kind of illegal activity going on, and not just on the campuses but everywhere in life. You just have to learn how to deal with it.

nobody would mind if they came here to upstate to learn and to BEHAVE but they are not doing that they are doing crimes up here and the drugs.we dont need any more gang jerks up here for any reason.they came stay in nyc and do there crimes and drugs there.nyc is full of crime and dirtbags and thats where job corps needs to be,there HOME

friscorod wrote:

anybody know anybody who works or did work at a Job Corps center?

I have worked for Job Corps for my past 15 years and have found the people who work at the centers and most students who enroll, are there to make a positive difference in their lives. Sure it takes hard work and a dedication to change, and the staff make the difference because of their dedication to motivate, educate, and enhance young adults to reach their potential. It isn't easy, but when the "light goes on" in a young person's mind, body and soul...it is very rewarding! I have been to many centers, and although they have their nuances, they must all comply with the Department of Labor policies and procedures. That includes ZERO TOLERANCE. One hears more about terrible incidences at college campuses and high schools than Job Corps. Thank God we have a federally funded program that promotes success in our at-risk youth. Obviously the public school system failed these young folks. My final words are... if YOU are a young person, that truly desires to stop wasting time watching Jerry Springer, you feel that school is a waste of your time, so you cut classes; and some of you even have a drug or anger problem, I emplore you to go to your nearest Job Corps recuiter. They are in the phone book, and on the net. Don't waste your life away. There are people who care about you and want you to make a productive and proud life for yourself. You make it or you waste it. It's your call.

well i attend gary job corps in here and well all i can say we are nothing negative and we all did mistakes.... some of us here are trying to get life straight and all im not gona lie some are here cuz we dont have a place to stay but we do are best. we don't go off center to steel or asault eney one. Most off us are not criminals at all everything they say about us only one is tru and that is we are tying to get through life eightther with supportor with out it....

its to bad that a few have to spoil it for the rest!! to anyone that is trying to better themselfs keep up the good work!! and to anyone who thinks that you can come to upstate ny and try to crimes you better think again!! this isnt the big city we do not tolerate any bullshit!! if you plan to come here you better behave if not we will ship your sorry asses back to the city and let them deal woth you

i attended woodland job corp and went to the navy right after i graduated...it worked out great for me ..i looked at job corp like a college because i wasn't able to go to one...there where the average troubles but it wasn't that bad..