Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

interesting enough... this site has a picture of one of the artifacts of which I speak of...(the stone now sits at the Smithsonian)

http://www.moroni10.com/lehi_stone.html

http://www.aztec-history.com/olmec-civilizati...

Fox news even shows one of the ancient sites of of the Indians from Guatamala

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/slideshow/2012...

There is so much I can't sit here and feed it to you... you have to be willing to read and research.

No Surprise wrote:

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Excellent, you showed evidence I didn't find. Now show evidence that Smith went to those stores and bought/borrowed/traded for their books and you'll have some real evidence for your theory :)

Joseph Smith, Sr., was a school teacher during the off season. Joseph's brother, Hyrum, worked as a school teacher during the off season also. One of his sisters may have also been a teacher at some point in her life. This wasn't a family of illiterates. Education was important to the Smith family, and although Joseph may have only had limited formal education in a typical classroom, his parents undoubtedly schooled him at home. Also Joseph was going to high school when he was 20 years old in Harmony PA with the Stowell children.

Joseph was able to read and ponder scriptures. His parents were literate. He had access to books and newspapers. He even held a position as "exhorter" at a local church. Joseph's mother wrote that they did not neglect the education of their children.

If you are trying to defend the BoM on such a minor issue, it is a sad defense. B.H. Roberts wrote:

Josiah Priest's Wonders of Nature and Providence(which contains large portions of TVoH) was published in New York state, only about twenty miles from where the Smith family resided from about 1815 to 1830, and Ethan Smith's View of the Hebrews was published in Poultney, Vermont, only a few miles from Windsor, Vermont where Joseph Smith's family lived until he was ten years of age. Roberts considered it "probable" that Ethan Smith's book was "either possessed by Joseph Smith or certainly known by him, for [it] was surely available to him" — Studies of the Book of Mormon, p. 153.

Swallowing gnats again?

https://www.google.com/search...

Click the link above. Words can't describe it.

It's there. It's real. Just because you don't know about it, deny, or reject it... doesn't mean it didn't happen.

piratefighting wrote:

You know you sit in here day after day trying to bait people...
when you hook someone...
you pick and choose what you will attack...
It's not about getting... it's abouyt giving...
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I have always gladly discussed anything about the teachings of Mormonism. But most of the time, when people are just going to call me a homosexual child molester, I'm not going waste my time with you. When you act civil, I'll treat you civil.

piratefighting wrote:

https://www.google.com/search? q=ancient+maya+ruins+of+palenq ue+chiapas+mexico&hl=en &rls=com.microsoft:en-us:I E-Address&prmd=imvns&t bm=isch&tbo=u&source=u niv&sa=X&ei=KEczUNOHN- eBiwLA0IGIDw&ved=0CFoQsAQ &biw=718&bih=565#q=anc ient+maya+ruins+of+palenque+ch iapas+mexico&hl=en&sa= X&rls=com.microsoft:en-us: IE-Address&tbm=isch&pr md=imvns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc. r_pw.r_qf.&fp=313e29bfd073 7741&biw=1084&bih=565
Click the link above. Words can't describe it.
It's there. It's real. Just because you don't know about it, deny, or reject it... doesn't mean it didn't happen.

Known about for this years. Ever since I saw the Jack West slides in church. What makes you think those buildings have anything whatsoever to do with the BoM?

It's been check and verified for accuracy...

City / Land of Nephi ... Guatamala / Kaminaljuyu
10 days (80 miles)

to

Waters of Mormon ... Lake of Atitlan
8 days (65 miles)

to

Land of Helam ... Almolonga
1 day (8 miles)

to

Valley of Alma ... Quetzaltenango
12 days (96 miles)

to

City Land of Zarahemla ... Chiapas Depression

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now.... run and go verify... you can't disprove it... the trail has been marked... many travel and tour it every day.

if you can't read...

I can't help you!

You say you know all these things... but,

you don't even use your own words...

you don't disprove "Mormonism" by disproving AUTHENTIC approved sites - instead you go copy and paste from anti-Mormon sites...

that is so bogus... it's lame... it's so fake.

the problem I have with your methodology is this...

1) your fruitless attempts to disprove the LDS Church by copy and pasting from non-authorized sites...(it proves nothing)

2) when you feel like you are loosing you attack, and degrade yourself by trying to bait others...

3) hook them... and send them on missions to disprove you...

(by COMMANDING people to find information) when they bring it back you never address it...

or by (replying to their posts after you edit their words)...

it's so juvenile and unChrist like.

I've posted this many times before and here I go again.

Try reading:

1)**** "The Annals of the Cakchiquels Title of the Lords of Totonicapan"

2)**** "A short work on the Popol Vuh and the traditional history of the Ancient americans, by Ixt-Lil-Xochitl"

3)**** "Popol Vuh The Sacrad Book of the Ancient Quiche Maya"

4)**** "Shreds of Evidence for the Book of Mormon - The Nibley Series 1st and 2nd Nephi"

5)**** "Archaeology and the Book of Mormon"

6)**** "The Incredible Incas and their timeless land"

7)**** "Ancient America and the Book of Mormon"

8)**** SACRED SITES Searching for Book of Mormon Lands"

9)**** The Dead Sea Scrolls

10)**** "The Incredible INCAS and their timeless land"

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humbled by the facts and go do some research... read the entire book... don't read what others say about it and just copy then paste...

interesting... on Page 50... "Ancient America Rediscovered: Including an Account of America's First" It speaks of the 7 families who crossed the sea (The Toltecs/Jeredites) Ixr-lil-xochitl.

http://books.google.com/books...

this is the way the people make mistakes...

They listen to writers like this guy. He is speaking of something he is making assumptions about... instead of going to ORIGINAL sources and verifying the information... he second guesses them.

I don't understand this practice. It is not even intelligent.

There are ARTIFACTS...

ANCIENT RECORDS...

PLACES THAT ARE DESCRIBED...

The Conquest of the Quiche at the beginning of the eithteenth century... "Popol Vuh"

Here... this is a more valid reference... original documented source...
http://books.google.com/books...

No Surprise wrote:

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Arrow heads yes. Their stone. Anything made of metal, no. Ever seen the corrosion of a car that's sat for just a decade or even several decades? Ever see a picture of a metal fork or knife that's been found buried in the soil for just a century? At first glance it usually resembles a piece of rotting wood in colour. Ever see a piece of metal like a sword, knife, tool that's been buried in soil for three centuries or more? It appears as a piece of soil. It's original shape is usually 50% or more gone. Only the thickest part will remain to minor degrees.

Yet we do have amour, coins and weapons thousands of years old in museums.

The only metal that survives to any visual degree of recognition is that which has been wrapped in something and buried in a container or in the clothing of a person buried. But metal left sitting on the topsoil that is covered by dirt and dust for decades to centuries, they rust and erode like acid has been poured onto them.

Even so, people's remains are found with gold, and other metal objects with them. Out of the number of people listed in the BoM much would still have survived.

piratefighting wrote:

It's been check and verified for accuracy...
City / Land of Nephi ... Guatamala / Kaminaljuyu
10 days (80 miles)
to
Waters of Mormon ... Lake of Atitlan
8 days (65 miles)
to
Land of Helam ... Almolonga
1 day (8 miles)
to
Valley of Alma ... Quetzaltenango
12 days (96 miles)
to
City Land of Zarahemla ... Chiapas Depression
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now.... run and go verify... you can't disprove it... the trail has been marked... many travel and tour it every day.

All you have proven is that your are convinced. But no one but a Mormon would agree with you, and even many Mormons in the know, do not.

Dana Robertson wrote:

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No disagreement about the Mormon people. Many are wonderful, decent people. I have always said so. My fight is with their church and it teachings.

Then leave them alone.
Let them believe and practice whatever they want...just like they dont bother you to believe and do whatever you want.
btw... the more you attack them the more they cement theri faith...your ways work against what you are trying to accomplish.

I know how they operate....

Archeologist and historians alike have found many interesting artifacts and similarities in Hebrew/Egyptian and the Ancient Meso Americans...

For instance:

Nephi said, "I make a record in the language of my father, which consists of the learning of the Jews and the language of the Egyptians" (1 Nephi 1:2).

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For it were not possible that our father, Lehi, could have remembered all these things, to have taught them to his children, except it were for the help of these plates; for he having been taught in the language of the Egyptians therefore he could read these engravings, and teach them to his children, that thereby they could teach them to their children, and so fulfilling the commandments of God, even down to this present time (Mosiah 1:4

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Interesting if one compares the hieroglyphics left behind on the artifacts in Meso America to the hieroglyphics from Egypt... One would find amazing simularities.

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http://www.cometozarahemla.org/egyptian/refor...

"Of the 28 characters identifiable on this cylinder, 26 have been show to have a close relationship"

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"Professor Anthon identified the characters as Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic"

"River Ridge, Louisiana (22 September 2005). This essay was written over six years ago.
It has not been made public until now. I consider its relevancy to be significant in relation
to my book, The Sound of Meaning, a comparison of linguistic correspondences
among ancient Egyptian, the Maya language system and Nahuatl.
Linguistic correspondence between ancient Egyptian and Hebrew
isreadily accepted, whereas any linguistic correspondences
suggested between ancient Egyptian and the Mesoamerican
languages are readily overlooked or ignored."

http://www.earthmatrix.com/linguistic/talmud_...

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There are similarities in the language spoken in the ancient Egyptian and the Mesoamerican languages

hmmm...

You see time and time again...

the similarities from different perspectives keep popping up,

denying it doesn't make it go away.

piratefighting wrote:

Archeologist and historians alike have found many interesting artifacts and similarities in Hebrew/Egyptian and the Ancient Meso Americans...
For instance:
Nephi said, "I make a record in the language of my father, which consists of the learning of the Jews and the language of the Egyptians" (1 Nephi 1:2).
.
For it were not possible that our father, Lehi, could have remembered all these things, to have taught them to his children, except it were for the help of these plates; for he having been taught in the language of the Egyptians therefore he could read these engravings, and teach them to his children, that thereby they could teach them to their children, and so fulfilling the commandments of God, even down to this present time (Mosiah 1:4
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Interesting if one compares the hieroglyphics left behind on the artifacts in Meso America to the hieroglyphics from Egypt... One would find amazing simularities.
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http://www.cometozarahemla.org/egyptian/refor...
"Of the 28 characters identifiable on this cylinder, 26 have been show to have a close relationship"
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"Professor Anthon identified the characters as Egyptian, Chaldaic, Assyriac, and Arabic"

If you would stop typing people would not know the kind of fool you really are.
The RLDS Church (Community of Christ) has a document in their possession referred to as the Anthon Manuscript. This is believed to be the original or a copy of the original document that Martin Harris took to professor Anthon to convince Martin that Joseph really was translating an ancient document written in reformed Egyptian. This document is of enormous historical value to the church.

The characters on the so-called 'Anthon Document' match the characters on early 1840s placards promoting the Book of Mormon and also on the front and back covers of the 1980 'gold' edition of the Book of Mormon. This document may not be the original document taken to Professor Anthon, but the characters likely are as they are the same characters used on the covers of the published 1980 edition of the BOM.

If a modern-day prophet could translate these characters and show that this was part of the Book of Mormon then this would add significant credibility to Joseph's ability as seer. Modern linguists have looked at the characters and said they are gibberish.

Mormons....ewwww dirty creatures.