Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

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Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.
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zef wrote:
<quoted text>Killing the people you place in your womb is not bodily autonomy. Killing the people you place in your womb is a depraved act of tyrrany.
There are no "people" in a woman. Life is not a remake of the movie Fantastic Voyage.

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Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Of course I back her choice. I back ALL the choices:
a) celibacy,
b) abstinence,
c) gestation, followed by raising one's offspring,
d) gestation, followed by relinquishing one's offspring,
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e) abortion.
I did send a donation to her online fund, back when she gave birth. Since I APPLAUD life, and know that the government should not be responsible for our choices, I decided to contribute personally to the well being of those 14 children. I certainly wouldn't require anyone else to do so, other than Ms Suleman, and the putative father.
So sue me.
Gestation,followed by raising or relinquishing one's offspring? In other words,what? If she can't afford them, she give up her kids? I'm glad you can afford to contribute to her. The kids look healthy and well fed.
No one is requiring anyone to do anything,the women is mentally unstable and needs intensive therapy. I have little doubt she doesn't love her kids. The doctor is a quack. The so called Dad is screwed anyway he goes. All the kids need an attorney.

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zef wrote:
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Blood testing is generally considered the most accurate method to determine your BAC. Blood testing usually.......***babbling bullshit deleted for irrelevant redundancy******....
Clearly this was a victim of FAS. It comes here every now and again to troll. zeffie is the poster child for "this is your brain with FAS".

This was a PSA. Back to your regularly schedued arguments.

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Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>It has been scientifically proven that homosexual tendencies are part of one's DNA in utero.
Do you support abortion if the fetus is gay?
No it hasn't.

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Badaxe wrote:
<quoted text>Yet you haven't should me any factual statistics that have proven this doesnt happen. The fact is that there is no way to prove either contention with medical privacy laws.
Let's just say that the onus is on YOU to back up your assertion that women get late term abortions because they don't want to be "fat" or it interferes with their social life, not *me*. Suffice it to say that it is such a horrible procedure, and *illegal*, by the way, that my gut tells me that it is not as common as you seem to think it is. And for you to expect the mental health exception to be squashed merely because a handful of women *might* be shallow enough to do what you are describing simply isn't warranted, not at the expense of women who are truly mentally ill, which is likely to be the majority.
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Tell me, do people cheat on taxes? And if we removed any penalty for cheating on taxes would that not change the number of people that do? Seriously, the conversation is about establishing guidelines to protect viable potentail human life, as established in R v W, because you suggest this never happens does not give reason to have such guidelines. Show me factual statistics that this never happens, even if you could, that wouldn't mean that guild lines should not be clearly established to protect a viable fetus.
For you to compare a later-term, post-viability abortion to cheating on taxes is absolutely ridiculous. Inasmuch as I am sure there are some women who take abortion lightly, for many, many women it is a serious, heart-wrenching decision. Even moreso when it involves a later-term pregnancy. Absolutely no comparison whatsoever.
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<quoted text>Werent you the one who suggested a doctors verifacation of "mental health" issues? If a woman aborted a viable fetus without legal reason, then she would be punished for violating a law that proscribes it and the penalty would already be outlined in that law. I really dont understand the arguement about how violateing laws would be addressed?
I want to hear how you suggest to *prove* that she violated the law, and what punishment you would inflict upon her. What would you charge her with? Would she serve prison time?

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Youre both right AND wrong on this one Kev IMO. As you say, because of HIPAA laws, we can't "prove this doesn't happen", but in many was - due to anecdotal evidence, we can. People that have spoken out on websites like
imnotsorry.net
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http://www.aheartbreakingchoice.com/24Weeks/A...
Where women that HAVE had this done dissuss the reasons why (and the doctors and nurses discuss it as well) one CAN reasonablly conclude that women are NOT having LTA's becasue they dont want to be fat or go to a party. Not to mention that the vast majority of doctors are NOT Gosnell's, and wont jepordize their careers for such stupidity.
I can't show you physical evidence that men dont use their penis's to hammer nails either - but based on much LESS evidence than is available to show women dont have LTA's for such frivilous reasons - I can say unequivocally that its not likely MANY men ACTUALLY TRY to hammer nails that way either.
At some point, we HAVE to use common sense to move forward with a given argument. Just sayin'.
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If Republicans think abortion is murder, why do so many of them say abortion in okay in the cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother? That is Romney's stance. Why do they justify what they call murder in those cases? If rape is rape, murder is murder.

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sassy Jm wrote:
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""""Perhap s you are unaware of the theory that if we were not meant to enjoy and further more indulge in intercourse, the “Lord” would not have made it feel, oh, so, good"""" ""
Having sex with 5 guys must feel "OH,SO,GOOD" too.
Having sex with the hot mailman must feel "OH,SO,GOOD" too.
Smoking crack must feel "OH,SO,GOOD"too or nobody would be doing it.
Dancing on tables while piss drunk must feel "OH,SO,GOOD" too since many women like to do that when drunk.
OR...the "Lord" would not have made it feel "OH,SO,GOOD".
But,just the same...yes,he did make sex feel oh so good because he wanted us to have it in order to procreate. If I have cancer,I'm sure sex will feel just as AWESOME as if I didn't have it,but realistically,I would ABSTAIN for obvious reasons.
You EXPECT to teach young kids,teenagers to stay clean,sexfree if they think drinking,sex,drugs "feel oh so good"? I bet you wouldn't give a damn WHAT it felt like if you were the mom.
Siiiiiit down punk.
I don’t post about who I have sex with, that’s personal, like the choice to terminate a pregnancy. None of your business missy, now stay out of my uterus! I merely posted an observation.
It is wholly the responsibility of parents to teach their children about all the vices that exist in this world. Awareness and instilling these values starts young. Avoid the issue and you let others fill them with nonsense, much like the drivel you spew daily.
And I disagree again, if we were only meant to have sex to procreate, then it wouldn’t feel so delightful. Do you think it a sin to have a romp in the sack for the hell of it? If you truly believed your argument, Ms. Ahmadinejad, then you would disagree with having intercourse for the pleasure and enjoyment it brings, and abstain any time you are not “procreating”. To avoid utter hypocrisy I would hope you are celibate at this point.
The only reason you would throw the drugs and prostitution into your rather lame argument is to yet again change the goal posts. But I’ll happily address these issues. Again, we’ll use the Netherlands as an example of a country that has legalized both, cannabis and prostitution. This country has the lowest drug related crime rates and again I stress the lowest STD/STI rates in all of Europe. Very simple formula, Legalization leads to Legislation leads to Taxation. Let us not forget Missy Poo, right or wrong, Prostitution is one of oldest professions known to man.
I stand firmly by my statements, which you may disagree with, but facts are facts. It's been my pleasure schooling the less educated and misinformed my dear.

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I don’t post about who I have sex with, that’s personal, like the choice to terminate a pregnancy. None of your business missy, now stay out of my uterus! I merely posted an observation.
It is wholly the responsibility of parents to teach their children about all the vices that exist in this world. Awareness and instilling these values starts young. Avoid the issue and you let others fill them with nonsense, much like the drivel you spew daily.
And I disagree again, if we were only meant to have sex to procreate, then it wouldn’t feel so delightful. Do you think it a sin to have a romp in the sack for the hell of it? If you truly believed your argument, Ms. Ahmadinejad, then you would disagree with having intercourse for the pleasure and enjoyment it brings, and abstain any time you are not “procreating”. To avoid utter hypocrisy I would hope you are celibate at this point.
The only reason you would throw the drugs and prostitution into your rather lame argument is to yet again change the goal posts. But I’ll happily address these issues. Again, we’ll use the Netherlands as an example of a country that has legalized both, cannabis and prostitution. This country has the lowest drug related crime rates and again I stress the lowest STD/STI rates in all of Europe. Very simple formula, Legalization leads to Legislation leads to Taxation. Let us not forget Missy Poo, right or wrong, Prostitution is one of oldest professions known to man.
I stand firmly by my statements, which you may disagree with, but facts are facts. It's been my pleasure schooling the less educated and misinformed my dear.
Another thing they like to ignore is that in Canada, where they have no restrictions against abortion, abortion rates are lower than they are here.
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<quoted text>Wait a while, aren't you PC? So doesnt that discriminate as to which life is more valuable? Or are you suggesting that the life of a "born" insect should deserve more protection than the potentail life of a human fetus? Or do you even know what you are arguing with me about? Steak is from a born cow, eggs are potentail lives of chickens, you seem confused about the two concepts.
I don't affiliate myself with either pro-choice or pro-life. They are silly labels.

"are you suggesting that the life of a "born" insect should deserve more protection than the potentail life of a human fetus?"

Why discriminate? Once you start to label one species as more valuable than others, you open up a can of worms.

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<quoted text>Oh? Explain please.
Chance of baby dying(miscarriage) in both scenerios.
Dr's afraid treatment to save this girls life will cause miscarriage.
Really, you don't see the difference between an emergency surgery on a troma patient vs a cemo treatment?

I didn't write the story JM... apparently those doctors had reason for concern, and I could see that being a problem here if the laws were the same...

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Mike wrote:
If Republicans think abortion is murder, why do so many of them say abortion in okay in the cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother? That is Romney's stance. Why do they justify what they call murder in those cases? If rape is rape, murder is murder.
votes.
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<quoted text>Well Katie, once again, we can not leave physicians to make our laws, which you often contend, there has to be guidelines for them to follow just as they do in other life and death situations.
Agree. Neither can we leave law makers to determine course of action for the physicians. Physicians already work within legal guidelines. It is already at a good compromise; individual women and their physicians determine course of action within legal guidelines.
To me, this, once again, shows your little regard for the potentail life of the fetus, to say that any State's interest should be secondary to a Doctors discretion, and that they alone, should make a moral decision without societies concerns.
To me, this, once again, shows your willingness to create more restrictions, thereby creating unnecessary hardship during an already stressful time, all while feigning societal concern for a stranger's fetus that you don't even know about nor the true circumstances surrounding any one pregnancy.
That's ridiculous, with all the monetary considerations, and liability considerations, doctors can not be left to act in their own interests without laws to protect the woman as well as they potentail life of the fetus.
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Why would you even think this? You really believe, "...with all the monetary considerations, and liability considerations, doctors can not be left to act in their own interests without laws to protect the woman as well as they potentail life of the fetus."
Katie, you seem to whine here that I am not depicting your views accurately, I honestly think I have, yes, sometimes I have taken your words to their extreme meaning, but I have always referred to your own quotes. Yet, you constantly compare my stance to PLM, or even NR's, which you honestly know is a lie. Why do you think you can twist someone's words here and not be called on it, or treated in kind? Either quit twisting my words, and stance, or quit whining when I surmise your words, do you get it yet?
Oh my bad.

You've been such a shining display of PC lately. Wanting to overturn Doe v Bolton, create more restrictions for later term abortion, your recurring prioritization of fetus over woman.

What was I thinking anyway?
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You better get with reality on how to raise a boy. You pagan lesbian types are not great at mothering, especially boys. It is a tough world out there and getting tougher.
You raise him the way you are saying, the kid will be gay
Oh dear, if you are going to try to offend me you really need to put more effort in it!

tomtom, you need a reboot and a reality check, you are outdated, and have been outsourced.
Cheerio lovey.
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<quoted text>LMAO, I should apologize to you? I have simply treated you as you have I, yet you dont owe me an apology? Go figure,"Condescending Katie". Again, here I see you compare me to the extremist JM, yet my and her opinions are worlds apart?
What I have argued here is that Doe v Bolton's definition of health, to include "emotional health", could include any situation. This contradicts Roe V Wade's decision that the State has a compelling interest to protect the viable life of the fetus. No one has argued that it doesnt, only that there should be no restrictions for abortion, as you do. I understand your views but I strongly disagree with them, as most people, including PC, do.
It's an apt comparison between you and JM. Am sorry you find it offensive. It wasn't meant to be. I figure it takes time to see things from all perspectives because there are so many layers to these issues. However, your current views, imo, don't neatly line up, yet. And that's not a bad thing. However, you've not taken too well to discussing it, but have gotten almost rabid in your responses to me. And that, too, is comparable with JM.

Am sorry you've taken things wrong, Kevin. Not all people can accept constructive criticisms. It's cool.

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Oh dear, if you are going to try to offend me you really need to put more effort in it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =tWbLkXhGEmoXX
tomtom, you need a reboot and a reality check, you are outdated, and have been outsourced.
Cheerio lovey.
tomtom is a couple of beers short of a six-pack....
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I don't affiliate myself with either pro-choice or pro-life. They are silly labels.
They are silly labels, kenose. Maybe it's more of categorizing thought processes between the groups? There is a certain distinction between the two.
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Badaxe wrote:
<quoted text>Really, so tell me, or better show me, where Katie has ever argued for protection of a viable fetus over the woman's right to personal autonomy. I know you cant, so that would make your take on Katie's stance "strange" and "weird" since they are not based on what she says here. But then again, you are the one who says you dont come here to learn or teach, it's just "entertainment", so why would you care to listen to what someone is saying?
You are not correctly repeating my stance, Kevin. Your opinion of me and my stance is as twisted as you claim my paraphrasing of your stance is. I agree with current restrictions and laws regarding late- and later- term abortion. That's what, "Physicians and their pregnant patients determine the course of necessary actions within the laws" actually means.

You're the one implying and stating outright physicians don't seem to have to follow any guidelines (as if you've painted every OB/GYN with Gosnell's tainted brush).

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Mike wrote:
If Republicans think abortion is murder, why do so many of them say abortion in okay in the cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother? That is Romney's stance. Why do they justify what they call murder in those cases? If rape is rape, murder is murder.
Not all Rebublicans think that abortion is murder...

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Blood testing is generally considered the most accurate method to determine your BAC. Blood testing usually involves the drawing of your blood by a doctor or other qualified medical professional. A breath test with a breathalyzer is the most common type of blood alcohol test performed by law enforcement officials. A breathalyzer measures the alcohol level in your breath from the lungs. Laws regarding drunk driving vary from state to state.
THE SPECTRUM OF FAS PREVENTION APPROACHES
FAS can be prevented if a woman abstains from alcohol consumption at conception and throughout pregnancy. The Committee to Study Fetal Alcohol Syndrome of the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences has described an intervention spectrum for FAS that includes three major prevention strategies (Stratton et al. 1996):

Universal prevention of maternal alcohol abuse. These interventions attempt to educate the broad public about the risks of drinking during pregnancy. These universal efforts might be geared toward pregnant women or women of childbearing age and often include public service announcements, billboards, pamphlets in physicians' offices, and media advertisements. The alcohol beverage warning label is an example of a universal intervention that has been extensively studied.

Selective prevention of maternal alcohol abuse. These interventions target women who are at greater risk for having children with FAS or alcohol-related effects-that is, all women of childbearing age who consume alcohol. One example of selective prevention measures is the screening of all pregnant women for their alcohol use, followed by counseling of all drinkers regarding fetal risk or, if warranted, referral to specialized treatment.

Indicated prevention of FAS. These measures are directed at high-risk women, including women who have previously abused alcohol while pregnant or while at risk for conception, or women who drink and have delivered an infant with FAS, ARND, or ARBD. This level of prevention includes alcoholism treatment of pregnant women or women who are likely to become pregnant as well as measures to encourage prevention of pregnancy.
Yes, yes, but what measures do you advocate to PREVENT her from drinking? The methods you've outlined above might DISCOURAGE her from drinking, but how would you physically prevent her from doing so?

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