The energy 'regulatory climate' is changing too

Feb 17, 2013 Full story: Times of Oman 9

These highly-educated people worked for the government, but alongside industry, to craft energy regulations reflecting the ecological notions of their particular era.

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Solarman

Twentynine Palms, CA

#1 Feb 17, 2013
"Such are the recent regulatory changes in the US that people are now openly wondering if another coal-fired power plant will ever be built in the country. Coal, which produced a majority of America's electrical energy in 1997, has since dropped to 36% of total electrical energy production."

"In an interview with the Chicago Tribune last week, the CEO of energy giant Exelon, Christopher Crane predicted that the influx of low cost wind power would lead the company to start shuttering its nuclear plants."

Coal from 52% of generated power to 36% of generated power in less than 20 years, that is a very large change. We still haven't seen the REAL cost of nuclear until power companies start to decomission nuclear plants and have to deal with the long term waste of the facilities. This would include the spent fuel rods as well as the reactor facility itself.

If utility agencies fail to move forward towards massive power grid storage facilities, alternative energy sources like PV and wind will cause fluctuations in the grid causing cascading failures and blackouts across the country. Nuclear and coal fired plants are often used as spinning and baseload generation facilities, you can replace the generation output by solar or wind, but have to store the generated product to use as a baseline source of power.
BDV

Atlanta, GA

#2 Feb 17, 2013
Wind and sola are crocks.
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Not to worry sheeple. Once "nukular" and coal areregulatorially garroted, Big Oil will provide.
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(for a fee, inshalla)
Bernard Forand

Lehigh Acres, FL

#3 Feb 19, 2013
Solarman wrote:
"Such are the recent regulatory changes in the US that people are now openly wondering if another coal-fired power plant will ever be built in the country. Coal, which produced a majority of America's electrical energy in 1997, has since dropped to 36% of total electrical energy production."
"In an interview with the Chicago Tribune last week, the CEO of energy giant Exelon, Christopher Crane predicted that the influx of low cost wind power would lead the company to start shuttering its nuclear plants."
Coal from 52% of generated power to 36% of generated power in less than 20 years, that is a very large change. We still haven't seen the REAL cost of nuclear until power companies start to decomission nuclear plants and have to deal with the long term waste of the facilities. This would include the spent fuel rods as well as the reactor facility itself.
If utility agencies fail to move forward towards massive power grid storage facilities, alternative energy sources like PV and wind will cause fluctuations in the grid causing cascading failures and blackouts across the country. Nuclear and coal fired plants are often used as spinning and baseload generation facilities, you can replace the generation output by solar or wind, but have to store the generated product to use as a baseline source of power.
Alternative energy will not cause grid cascading failures. Personnel alternative energies will reduce the demand for grid energy. It will be stored with the individuals. Some will go to grid tie-ins which will be regulated by the local grid demands or lack of demand for additional energy. Commercial alternative energy is incorporated directly to the grid. Such as the Parabolic Solar arrays in Nevada and a couple in the Death Valley deserts that supplement energy to utilities. Energy to the grid is by utilities regulating what they desire for their grid. Reducing once again the demand for additional toxic systems to produce the energy.
As to storage. All electrical systems require various form of storage. Once again the increase in Alternative energies have their own storage facilities. From the individual to the commercial. From Batteries to molten salt and all in between reducing the utilities need for additional storage. Coal is going the way of firewood and are migrating to third world arenas. In time all toxic energy systems will replace the centralized toxic systems of energy.
BDV

Atlanta, GA

#4 Feb 19, 2013
Well,
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And storage of what?
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And distributed energy sources won't be toxic through sheer willpower?
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What happens if you rosy 5-year plan figures don't come true, tovarisch?
Solarman

Twentynine Palms, CA

#5 Feb 19, 2013
Bernard Forand wrote:
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Alternative energy will not cause grid cascading failures. Personnel alternative energies will reduce the demand for grid energy. It will be stored with the individuals. Some will go to grid tie-ins which will be regulated by the local grid demands or lack of demand for additional energy. Commercial alternative energy is incorporated directly to the grid. Such as the Parabolic Solar arrays in Nevada and a couple in the Death Valley deserts that supplement energy to utilities. Energy to the grid is by utilities regulating what they desire for their grid. Reducing once again the demand for additional toxic systems to produce the energy.
As to storage. All electrical systems require various form of storage. Once again the increase in Alternative energies have their own storage facilities. From the individual to the commercial. From Batteries to molten salt and all in between reducing the utilities need for additional storage. Coal is going the way of firewood and are migrating to third world arenas. In time all toxic energy systems will replace the centralized toxic systems of energy.
NO, intermittant power sources WILL cause cascading power failures, you're wrong. You're talking about heat storage and the like. There's not a lot of power storage along the grid, this is the problem. We are losing baseload power generation facilities, without replacing them with like baseload power generation, there will be sags and surges in the grid causing cascading failures.
Bernard Forand

Cape Coral, FL

#6 Feb 26, 2013
Solarman wrote:
<quoted text>NO, intermittant power sources WILL cause cascading power failures, you're wrong. You're talking about heat storage and the like. There's not a lot of power storage along the grid, this is the problem. We are losing baseload power generation facilities, without replacing them with like baseload power generation, there will be sags and surges in the grid causing cascading failures.


No doubt our grid infrastructure is in need of up dating. Presently the pursuit of what is referred to as the intelligent grid is beginning to be implemented. Your implying that alternative energy will be responsible for cascading failure is without merit. Presently wind farms and solar parabolic trough arrays have been introduced to the grid without any serious affects. One trough system in Las Vegas started 250 MW and has recently upgraded to 500MW with no negative disturbance to the Vegas utility grid. One of two 500MW trough systems that have been in operation for 2 years in Death Valley is supplementing energy to the Southern Utility of Calif. They store any excess accumulation of energy into molten salt vats that at some desired time to release the heat, to produce more energy at a latter time. No cascading has ever occurred.
Individual home seldom make enough energy to have cascading negative energy. Most of energy they send to the grid is transferred to their neighbors or they can be shut off by the input meter via computer command. As Individual solar increases they will evolve along side a community grid for local distributions. Thus eliminating need to go to full utility grid. Base load generation can be comprised of more than one alternative system “IF” required.
Keep in mind how, for one example who had these sag and surge problems when they privatized their electrical energy. Came down to, a brown out in Calif. Could be more profitable by redirecting energy. Demanding increase in charges. With alternative it becomes a tool by which an individual can remove themselves from the centralized spigot of energy. Your scenario is just a fallacy that require the electrical engineers of the grid to be inferior in their expertise. I have more faith in these engineers’ than in some callow doomsday scenario.
Soalrman

La Quinta, CA

#7 Feb 26, 2013
Bernard Forand wrote:
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No doubt our grid infrastructure is in need of up dating. Presently the pursuit of what is referred to as the intelligent grid is beginning to be implemented. Your implying that alternative energy will be responsible for cascading failure is without merit. Presently wind farms and solar parabolic trough arrays have been introduced to the grid without any serious affects. One trough system in Las Vegas started 250 MW and has recently upgraded to 500MW with no negative disturbance to the Vegas utility grid. One of two 500MW trough systems that have been in operation for 2 years in Death Valley is supplementing energy to the Southern Utility of Calif. They store any excess accumulation of energy into molten salt vats that at some desired time to release the heat, to produce more energy at a latter time. No cascading has ever occurred.
Individual home seldom make enough energy to have cascading negative energy. Most of energy they send to the grid is transferred to their neighbors or they can be shut off by the input meter via computer command. As Individual solar increases they will evolve along side a community grid for local distributions. Thus eliminating need to go to full utility grid. Base load generation can be comprised of more than one alternative system “IF” required.
Keep in mind how, for one example who had these sag and surge problems when they privatized their electrical energy. Came down to, a brown out in Calif. Could be more profitable by redirecting energy. Demanding increase in charges. With alternative it becomes a tool by which an individual can remove themselves from the centralized spigot of energy. Your scenario is just a fallacy that require the electrical engineers of the grid to be inferior in their expertise. I have more faith in these engineers’ than in some callow doomsday scenario.
The fallacy is ALL YOUR's it is NOT a "callow doomsday scenario." Where in the hell did you get that? I said cascading failure not doomsday, Jesus get it right. Once again you've gotten solar heat with storage stuck in your craw. There's much more solar PV from private individuals, big box stores like IKEA and others that have increased the solar PV generation into the grid. These ARE intermittant power sources, if the utilities want to increase alternatives, then they need grid storage facilities along the grid network. Several of the "new" power plants in Riverside county that were going to use trough or tower technology may never be built or finished. There has been a couple that have been halted due to the original developer going bankrupt. Another may not build the project fully due to the lack of a PPA with a utility, it seems the CPUC denied the PPA as too costly. If this country is going to get serious about getting away from fossil fuels, then alternative energy generation with grid storage will be necessary to move transportation away from fuels to electric power.
Bernard Forand

Cape Coral, FL

#8 Feb 27, 2013
Soalrman wrote:
<quoted text>The fallacy is ALL YOUR's it is NOT a "callow doomsday scenario." Where in the hell did you get that? I said cascading failure not doomsday, Jesus get it right. Once again you've gotten solar heat with storage stuck in your craw. alternative energy generation with grid storage will be necessary to move transportation away from fuels to electric power.

I have already addressed your concerns on energy storage and the utility grid. Present day utility infrastructures can be increased with new efficient models of a smart grid features. One Example; Verizon is presently introducing wi-fi’s that are capable of communicating with other digital components and can decide when energy is required to a specific point or component. This system has already been implemented in some vehicles. Communicating if an abnormality has occurred or will occur.{On Star} Italy has incorporated the flexibility of this by having it in communication with the owners vehicle insurance company. Which can monitor the efficiency of the vehicle and or its driver. It can be used in household appliances as well. Advising that an Air Conditioner is operating on peak voltage and should any economic procedures be activated or it can be programmed to operate automatically. Many more examples of these smart grid features will come to dominate within the next decade. Increasing the efficient use of the present grid. Decreasing the need for increasing the need for addressing grid storage and booster plants.
The trough systems that I presented are in operation as of 2 years ago and are still in operation with more ground breaking for additional plants underway. Just as the wind farms are expanding from the proven successes of those that have already been implemented.
Transporting source of alternative energy can be reduced by serving local establishments which in turn frees up energy required from the utility grid, with the reduction of energy to their grid they can then take on more energy sources to keep up their line storage and transportation. Increasing the efficient use of the high power line can reduce their need for long distance transportation. Again providing more usage for the alternative energies need for transportation. By reducing the need for a centralized power distributor as they become more localized through independent off grid users and those with community grid not requiring the centralized electrical power source will also provide additional security due to some catastrophic event that presently affects millions in one fell swoop. By being localized the repairs can be more focused on the immediate damaged area.
Cascading failure paints a picture of millions losing their electricity, as it has occurred in the past. By advancing alternative energy this will make this cascading failure less likely. Solar flares? Hmmm..“BUT” to paint the need for electrical transportation from alternative energy systems as a potential culprit for future cascading is at best an erroneous fallacy.
Almost forgot.“Stuck in my craw solar energy and heat storage”.. Merely pointing out energy can be stored in various forms that can latter be tapped into to transform into electricity if so desired or into other energy needs other than electric. Just as electric can be obtained from a variety of fuels. Multiple storage systems, transportation vehicles,{micro-wave}, Fuels makes electricity, as one component, for a promising catalyst or vehicle for energy.
Bernard Forand

Cape Coral, FL

#9 Feb 27, 2013
Soalrman wrote:
<quoted text>The fallacy is ALL YOUR's it is NOT a "callow doomsday scenario." Where in the hell did you get that? of a PPA with a utility, it seems the CPUC denied the PPA as too costly. If this country is going to get serious about getting away from fossil fuels, then alternative energy generation with grid storage will be necessary to move transportation away from fuels to electric power.
Here is small town that have taken their first steps to energy independence.{Communal Grid Example}

A True Grassroots Victory in San Antonio
We're still celebrating last week's announcement by San Antonio Mayor Joaquin Castro that not only will the city shut down its 900 megawatt Deely coal-fired power plant by 2018, but San Antonio plans to replace the power with a combination of traditional sources like natural gas, renewable energy, including solar energy, and energy efficiency.

In fact, CPS Energy, the municipal utility, has already invested in a 14 MW solar PV plant that opened last year, and made a commitment to 20 percent renewable energy by 2020. Not only is this a victory for clean energy and community health, but it's also an example of some amazing long-term grassroots work by local residents.

"This was years in the making," said Russell Seal of the local Sierra Club Alamo Group. "The big thing here is not just shutting down the coal plant, but changing the dialogue from 'supplying energy as low-cost-as-the-only-factor' to a philosophy about providing competitively priced energy with environmental considerations. This is a huge shift in philosophy."
Seal said the work started several years ago when the city's utility, City Public Service (CPS), had planned on investing in a proposed nuclear power plant. After extensive activist involvement in opposing that plan, the news eventually broke that CPS officials at the time lied about the real costs of investing in a nuclear plant.

"San Antonio is stepping up to lead Texas and our nation into a clean energy future and proving that investing in innovative technology to protect our health and the environment is also a great way to create jobs. Committing to cleaner sources of power will mean cleaner air for the families in San Antonio and opportunities for San Antonio's workforce," said Jackson.

"By sending a strong signal of the local government's support for clean energy, San Antonio attracted innovative American businesses that will create jobs around technology that helps to keep the air clean."

That is certainly true - within days of the announcement, the city had received over 100 proposals from solar companies vying to produce new, clean energy for the city. By investing in renewable energy rather than coal or nuclear power, the city is creating jobs, saving lives, and positioning itself as a national leader in twenty-first century energy innovation
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