US oil company donated millions to climate sceptic groups, says Greenpeace

Mar 30, 2010 Full story: Guardian Unlimited 71

Report identifies Koch Industries giving $73m to climate sceptic groups 'spreading inaccurate and misleading information' Greenpeace has identified Kansas-based oil firm Koch Industries as a multimillion funder of climate sceptic groups.

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“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#1 Mar 31, 2010
Sounds like Greenpeace is more upset that they didn't get that money.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#2 Mar 31, 2010
Tina always has something silly and meaningless to say.

Not sure why this is posted though. According to the Supreme Court, corporations like EXXON (rather the capitalists that own it) can use their ( corporations) money to buy judges, elections, and advertising any way they want.

Public good is no longer an objective of government. The law is now 'he who has the gold, makes the rules'.
Northie

Spokane, WA

#3 Mar 31, 2010
Koch's millions are mere drops in the payola bucket. This is only one company; hundreds of other energy companies and utilities are funding junk science and lobbying as well.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#4 Mar 31, 2010
Northie wrote:
Koch's millions are mere drops in the payola bucket. This is only one company; hundreds of other energy companies and utilities are funding junk science and lobbying as well.
Really the main money comes from coal companies. They also have the biggest lobby presence and subsidies ( mining, health, rail transport, etc).
GEEWIZ

Clarkson, KY

#6 Mar 31, 2010
albedodown wrote:
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Coal has to arm twist the various gov'ts, so their actions to pollute many states & kill many of their worker bees & other citizens, doesn't get advertised enough to force the price of coal upward to reflect its actual economic, social & moral cost to society.
IF COAL was one tenth as bad as greenies claim we +other states would not be mining it or burning it 4 ELECTRIC COAL EMISSIONS are gettin cleaner everyday air+water fine here WHERES your pollution in coal country its fine. COAL is cheap dependable electric+jobs+taxes GREEN=POORHOUSE
Northie

Spokane, WA

#7 Mar 31, 2010
"Between 2006 and 2009, Koch Industries and the family that founded and still controls the conglomerate spent $37.9 million on direct lobbying on oil and energy issues -- eclipsed only by oil majors Exxon and Chevron, who spent $87.8 million and $50 million, respectively."

http://www.grist.org/article/2010-03-30-koch-...

Okay, that's only three energy companies among hundreds, and only the money they reported for LOBBYING; each spent far more for marketing, most of which is designed to portray them as responsible environmental citizens. Still, the lobbying moolah from these three companies alone totals more than $175 million.

No wonder some scientists can't resist working for the devil.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#8 Apr 1, 2010
GEEWIZ wrote:
<quoted text>IF COAL was one tenth as bad as greenies claim we +other states would not be mining it or burning it 4 ELECTRIC COAL EMISSIONS are gettin cleaner everyday air+water fine here WHERES your pollution in coal country its fine. COAL is cheap dependable electric+jobs+taxes GREEN=POORHOUSE
Good example of the health effects of people downwind of a coal power station. Horrible. Just horrible.

“EnvironMENTAList ”

Since: Feb 07

Near Detroit

#10 Apr 1, 2010
Radon now ? and acid oceans, CO2 both giving and taking life, acid rain, ozone, global dimming.........We are living longer now than at any time in history despite access to quality healthcare show show me how this is some kind of crisis please. Life is great!
You enviornMENTALists need support groups or something for your mass depression.
I on the other hand see this as the best time in history to be alive and the only fear we have is fear of the great unknown, the future. Don't be afraid. Be brave. Try some courage. Sitting in the dark on Earth Hour once a year clearly shows that THE END IS not near.
Life is good and what the world needs more of is optimism and courage, not this spineless fear mongering.
spppelllling!

“EnvironMENTAList ”

Since: Feb 07

Near Detroit

#11 Apr 1, 2010
Since the control-freak culture of liberalism drives the CO2 Dooms Day theory of a dying planet for my kids, and ALL so called "reason-thinking" conservatives and neocons don't, doesn't that make it a political issue and not a science issue after 24 years of wrong predictions of an experienced, observed and suffered from climate crisis?
GEEWIZ

Greenup, KY

#12 Apr 1, 2010
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Good example of the health effects of people downwind of a coal power station. Horrible. Just horrible.
greenie COAL FIRED PLANTS are all around KY.+NEAR BY states WHAT do you think the smoke stacks are really that high that they do not affect the local area half of U GREENIES HAVE not even seen one. HORRIBLE IS believing this BS about how bad the air is+global warming.
GEEWIZ

Greenup, KY

#13 Apr 1, 2010
albedodown wrote:
GEEWIZ wrote:
IF COAL was one tenth as bad as greenies claim we +other states would not be mining it or burning it 4 ELECTRIC COAL EMISSIONS are gettin cleaner everyday air+water fine here WHERES your pollution in coal country its fine. COAL is cheap dependable electric+jobs+taxes GREEN=POORHOUSE
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LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
Good example of the health effects of people downwind of a coal power station. Horrible. Just horrible.
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litesong wrote:
Seven of the tallest 10 chimneys in the world are coal-fired smokestacks to spread pollution over many states & even into other countries & around the world to keep the close population from falling down dead. If chimneys were ten feet high, pollution spots around every coal burning plant would devastate the local coal employee worker bees & poor, who are placed downwind of the chimneys. The tallest coal chimney is 1377 feet tall & 147 feet in its base diameter (filling a major league baseball infield)! Yes, the coal industry goes to great efforts & heights to spread their pollution to other areas, so people don't readily point fingers at coal company death equipment.
talk about clueless theres not that much emissions . FACT is U GREENIES ARE putting people out of work+poor+eldery are paying twice what they were 2-3 years ago because of your made up BS about emissions

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#14 Apr 2, 2010
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
Tina always has something silly and meaningless to say.
Not sure why this is posted though. According to the Supreme Court, corporations like EXXON (rather the capitalists that own it) can use their ( corporations) money to buy judges, elections, and advertising any way they want.
Public good is no longer an objective of government. The law is now 'he who has the gold, makes the rules'.
More like I have something to say that irratates people like yourself and has a ugly habit of making them face thigs as they are and not how you wish them to be.

You act like Greenpeace has never gone judge shopping when the records clearly prove otherwise and your only fooling yourself if you think Greenpeace and other enviromentalist groups are not involved in lobbing.

Many of the capitalist who own Exxon are shareholders. In other word poeple who have invested thier money for retirement into Exxon rather than Bernie Madoff and rely on that money to support them in thier old age. Not a dozen fat white men but hundreds of ordinary people who live on the same street as your parents. Worked for a living and invested those pennies as they had into something for thier future rather than rely on the goverment and Social Security which always seems on the edge of going under.

So when you complain about those who own Exxon remeber that little old lady who sole friend always seems to be a cat because no one will stop by and talk to her is that all powerful capitalist.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#15 Apr 2, 2010
Northie wrote:
Koch's millions are mere drops in the payola bucket. This is only one company; hundreds of other energy companies and utilities are funding junk science and lobbying as well.
More like Greenpeace and others are funding the junk science. Of course your not happy with Kock's millions being used to fund science that is a threat to your belief system. If any of that science produces proof that you cannot deny then your going to have to rethink your entire universe.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#16 Apr 2, 2010
As noted.. Tina always has something silly and meaningless to say. Not even good mud to sling. Just random nonsense.

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#17 Apr 2, 2010
LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
As noted.. Tina always has something silly and meaningless to say. Not even good mud to sling. Just random nonsense.
Which is LHMF's way of saying he has nothing better to say than impy that his opposition should isn't saying anything he agrees with but he cannot refute the arguement in question.
SoE

Rozet, WY

#18 Apr 2, 2010
tina anne wrote:
<quoted text>
Which is LHMF's way of saying he has nothing better to say than impy that his opposition should isn't saying anything he agrees with but he cannot refute the arguement in question.
impy that his opposition should isn't saying anything
..........
er..what?....I'm not positive what opposition to this might be ?
Is it a matter of refuting the question of "arguement?"

“Denying those who deny nature”

Since: Jun 07

Norfolk va

#19 Apr 3, 2010
SoE wrote:
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impy that his opposition should isn't saying anything
..........
er..what?....I'm not positive what opposition to this might be ?
Is it a matter of refuting the question of "arguement?"
The technique involves having the other side defending itself and trying to prove something against nothing.

“We're all Bozos on this bus”

Since: Jan 07

Indianapolis, IN

#20 Apr 3, 2010
How much does AlGore get to soupt his nonsense? I know of the cool Mil from the Nobel committee, for starters.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#21 Apr 3, 2010
tina anne wrote:
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Which is LHMF's way of saying he has nothing better to say than impy that his opposition should isn't saying anything he agrees with but he cannot refute the arguement in question.
No. I can point to tens of thousands of serious science papers in well respected journals. I also have a fair understanding of the science from examining it myself. I can argue on any of the common 'denialist myths'.

So far, Tina hasn't provided any substance to her posts. Just rhetoric. Noteing that fact is just my way of pointing out her arguents are 'empty'.

Post any serious question and we can debate it. Tina's 'empty filler' doesn't have to block serious posts.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#22 Apr 3, 2010
Uh Clem wrote:
How much does AlGore get to soupt his nonsense? I know of the cool Mil from the Nobel committee, for starters.
Answer. More than you get for posting empty insults. Have you considered going on the road and selling your message for money or does nobody want to hear your message? Is this about 'pure jealousy'?

Frankly, Al Gore hasn't done all that well either in politics or the talk circuit. He is well off only in terms of being more successful than people like Clem.

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