Why skeptics must heed climate change

Florida wrote:

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AND....(Al Gore who invented the internet) running around lying and fear mongering to everyone for years during the Clinton administration, the world was going to end when Y2K rolled over.
The biggest lie and hoax ever perpetuated by a government administration on to the public to "stimulate" the economy.
As a result people were buying extra food, power generators, guns and ammo, gas gussling SUV's to drive to the mountains while polluting the enviroment, believing planes would fall out of the sky and taking money out of the bank because computers would fail, people buying new computers, all which did grow the economy...
Clinton said "It's The Economy Stupid". I have always said "It's The Internet Stupid". Al Gore spewing his fear mongering doomesday promotions of the day, misleading people to get them scared to spend money....
Why should we believe Al Gore's global warming fear mongering, hocus-pocus Theories, Lies and Untruth this time around???
At least Bush's Ranch is greener than Al Gore's Mansion. The Pasminco Zinc Mine, is situated on Gore's plantation...
The "Left-Wing Lug-Nut" hatemongers will decide the outcome of this historic Obama presidency....
The inebriated Foolishness and Poison of Liberalism

You really are missing the point.

Al Gore did not invent AGW. I said it was a concern of scientists from at least the early 80s. I was corrected on that - it was the early 50s.

I don't like Al Gore. Still, the veracity or otherwise of AGW does not stand or fall on Al Gore or any other "inebriated, foolish, poisonous Liberal" as you would put it.

AGW stands or falls on the science, period.

Chimney wrote:

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You really are missing the point.
Al Gore did not invent AGW. I said it was a concern of scientists from at least the early 80s. I was corrected on that - it was the early 50s.
I don't like Al Gore. Still, the veracity or otherwise of AGW does not stand or fall on Al Gore or any other "inebriated, foolish, poisonous Liberal" as you would put it.
AGW stands or falls on the science, period.

Y2K was also known as the millennium bug, an imaginary computer problem related to year 2000, the threat was exaggerated by Clinton/Gore to sell over-priced solutions and stimulate the economy...

Skeptically, Global warming is the accelerated warming of the atmosphere due to human activities, the Gore Skeptics rant... To sell over-priced solutions, create green jobs and stimulate the economy...

The inebriated Foolishness and Poison of Scare Tactics Liberalism

NobodyYouKnow wrote:

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We don't live in Western Europe so we aren't much affected by the end of the LIA. Nor is it comparable to the global climate effects of AGW which change the TOTAL SUM of thermal energy on the planet which is VERY hard to change back if we don't like the results.

Have you ever seen any pictures of Washington crossing the Delaware, when was the last time you saw the Delaware look anything like that? The LIA?

Chimney wrote:

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You really are missing the point.
Al Gore did not invent AGW. I said it was a concern of scientists from at least the early 80s. I was corrected on that - it was the early 50s.
I don't like Al Gore. Still, the veracity or otherwise of AGW does not stand or fall on Al Gore or any other "inebriated, foolish, poisonous Liberal" as you would put it.
AGW stands or falls on the science, period.

Actually, science has topped AGW. Why do you think it is never mentioned in the news and they switched to climate change to describe it.

tina anne wrote:

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Actually, science has topped AGW. Why do you think it is never mentioned in the news and they switched to climate change to describe it.

Actually, they are two separate topics. AGW and the climate change that may result. But of course, you cannot understand either one and get them confused...

Bob Burns wrote:

See what I mean?

You have allegedly threatened me with gun death & allegedly threatened my wife with rape, torture, & murder.

Even brian_g, who is an alleged threatener, alleged stalker, intimidator, & gatherer of like-minded personages into the denier brian_g 'ganghood'(even you) has tried to renounce your actions. Other deniers also have tried to distance themselves from you.

Yes,'mean' is the least of words that would describe your traits.

litesong wrote:

...brian_g 'ganghood'(even you) has tried to renounce your actions...

Words, not actions, numbnuts.

litesong wrote:

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You have allegedly threatened me with gun death & allegedly threatened my wife with rape, torture, & murder.
Even brian_g, who is an alleged threatener, alleged stalker, intimidator, & gatherer of like-minded personages into the denier brian_g 'ganghood'(even you) has tried to renounce your actions. Other deniers also have tried to distance themselves from you.
Yes,'mean' is the least of words that would describe your traits.

These repeated accusations you make against BG sound pretty silly. Does he even know your real identity? People say all kinds of things on these forums. You take it too seriously. WQhy not stick to the subject?

tina anne wrote:

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Actually, science has topped AGW. Why do you think it is never mentioned in the news and they switched to climate change to describe it.

"They" was the Bush Administration who instructed the alteration to the new terminology because "climate change" sounded less threatening than "global warming". Another Karl Rove special, most likely.

Proving once again that global warming is politics, not science.
Good News: We can stop telling our kids they are doomed on a dead planet. Yipeeee! The world's longest emergency is over.
Climate Change predicts global warming will cause global climate chaos and climate crisis in the form of extreme weather occurances such as drought, flooding, heat waves, hurricanes, tornadoes etc.
This climate crisis from global warming has been promised since 1986. Therefore this resulting cooling and lack of climate crisis we have experienced since then, trumps predicted warming leaving the CO2 theory disproved.

Chimney wrote:

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"They" was the Bush Administration who instructed the alteration to the new terminology because "climate change" sounded less threatening than "global warming". Another Karl Rove special, most likely.

When the truth's merely brought up, do the right A.G.W. shill thing, and tell a lie.

# Understand the meaning of climate change. Climate change was a term first coined at the beginning of the twentieth century to cover shifts in climate. In the 1970s, scientists started noticing a gradual warming of the planet, and chose the term global warming to reflect this. Nowadays, although global warming remains a popular term, scientists prefer the more general term climate change because it reflects the unfortunate reality that some parts of earth are going to become colder, wild weather events are going to increase in intensity and the changes across the planet are not going to reflect one even warming pattern.

* More specifically, climate change is referring to the natural change in climate over time. Anthropogenic climate change is the change in climate due to human activity. While the former is widely accepted, the latter is the cause of great controversy.

http://www.wikihow.com/Find-Reliable-Informat...

Not only LIE for NO REASON on earth, but attribute of all things the dumbest scientific administration in who KNOWS how many years:

to coining the name of the greatest scientific debate of our times.

LoL Wow You can't make it UP.

A global warmer will though.

http://ohjelmat.yle.fi/mot/taman_viikon_mot/t...

mememine69 wrote:

Proving once again that global warming is politics, not science.

The only thing 'proven' by your posting is the lack of any signifant science education or reasoning skills.

And there is no 'global cooling' or 'predictions from 23 years ago'. These are entirely fabrications of YOUR delusional state.

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-0...

NobodyYouKnow wrote:

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The only thing 'proven' by your posting is the lack of any signifant science education or reasoning skills.
And there is no 'global cooling' or 'predictions from 23 years ago'. These are entirely fabrications of YOUR delusional state.
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-0...

Climate Change predicts global warming will cause global climate chaos and climate crisis in the form of extreme weather occurances such as drought, flooding, heat waves, hurricanes, tornadoes etc.
This climate crisis from global warming has been promised since 1986. Therefore this resulting cooling and lack of climate crisis we have experienced since then, trumps predicted warming leaving the CO2 theory disproved.

There is an abundance of scientific evidence supporting global climate change. Those who oppose climate change point to the fact that the average temperature of the year 1998 is greater than that of any in the past 10 years, but 2005 was a warmer year. According to an article by Seth Borenstein, the fact of the matter is that the world is experiencing the “warmest 10-year period of the modern record”. There is irrefutable evidence that the globe is warming due to human causes. If you analyze the temperatures during the last 10 years "the trend is actually positive, which means warming". There has not been a downward trend in the past 10 years, only if you manipulate the data to start at 1998. If you start at 1997 or 1999 the trend is upwards in both cases.

Furthermore, according to the Environmental Defense Fund carbon dioxide levels are “25% higher now than the highest natural levels over the past 650,000 years.” While there is a belief in American society that the establishment is misleading and should be immediately written off, this does not apply in the case of global climate change. There is an abundance of scientific evidence supporting global climate change.

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/ap-impac...

Environmental Defense Fund. "Greenhouse Gases Cause Global Warming." At Issue: Greenhouse Gases.

I Am DigitaP wrote:

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When the truth's merely brought up, do the right A.G.W. shill thing, and tell a lie.
# Understand the meaning of climate change. Climate change was a term first coined at the beginning of the twentieth century to cover shifts in climate. In the 1970s, scientists started noticing a gradual warming of the planet, and chose the term global warming to reflect this. Nowadays, although global warming remains a popular term, scientists prefer the more general term climate change because it reflects the unfortunate reality that some parts of earth are going to become colder, wild weather events are going to increase in intensity and the changes across the planet are not going to reflect one even warming pattern.
* More specifically, climate change is referring to the natural change in climate over time. Anthropogenic climate change is the change in climate due to human activity. While the former is widely accepted, the latter is the cause of great controversy.
http://www.wikihow.com/Find-Reliable-Informat...
Not only LIE for NO REASON on earth, but attribute of all things the dumbest scientific administration in who KNOWS how many years:
to coining the name of the greatest scientific debate of our times.
LoL Wow You can't make it UP.
A global warmer will though.

Well, that claim - about mere nomenclature - was something I heard, and I said it in response to Tia Anne's claim that Warmers changed the terminology.

Now please take note of your own response: If you are right, then it was Tia Anne who made the original "lying" claim but you did not jump all over her.

Perhaps a little one sided, DigitaP?

mememine69 wrote:

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Climate Change predicts global warming will cause global climate chaos and climate crisis in the form of extreme weather occurances such as drought, flooding, heat waves, hurricanes, tornadoes etc.
This climate crisis from global warming has been promised since 1986. Therefore this resulting cooling and lack of climate crisis we have experienced since then, trumps predicted warming leaving the CO2 theory disproved.

Cooling since 1986??? that's a new one.

I have seen arguments for cooling from 1998 which at least hold some water, although not really if you see '98 as an outlier. But 1986?

http://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/ap-impac... :

"Of the 10 hottest years recorded by NOAA, eight have occurred since 2000, and after this year it will be nine because this year is on track to be the sixth-warmest on record.

The current El Nino is forecast to get stronger, probably pushing global temperatures even higher next year, scientists say. NASA climate scientist Gavin Schmidt predicts 2010 may break a record, so a cooling trend "will be never talked about again."

Looks like I will know whether to buy a Prius or a Hummer by the end of next year.
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Yes, that was the same link as used by Raleigh Pearson. Good article.

Raleigh Pearson wrote:

There is an abundance of scientific evidence supporting global climate change.

That qualifies as the funniest line of the year, global climate change has never stopped since Earth appeared.

Raleigh Pearson wrote:

There is an abundance of scientific evidence supporting global climate change.

Note the difference between AGW which has solid scientific agreement and climate change which is based on probably trends from modelling. Climate change has abundant scientific evidence in that natural climate oscillations ( shifting heat and moisture in different patterns ) is natural and well documented. However, we have NO climate change theory or solid link between any climate change observed and AGW influence.

AGW ( Global warming) though is solidly based on the science and confirmed in both land and ocean measurements ( 97% of the 'surface' thermal mass).

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-0...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091026/ap_on_sc/...
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2009/2009...