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May 2, 2009 | Posted by: roboblogger

The CO2 fantasy

Full story: The Indianapolis Star

LOS ANGELES -- Take a deep breath. Now hold it. And hold it. And hold it . . . The Environmental Protection Agency recently designated carbon dioxide a 'pollutant.' CO2 is the same gas you and every human being emit when you exhale, talk, laugh, or sing.

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“Climate Realist”

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I'm pleased this kind of story is published, these days. One of the benefits of debating regulation is a cold dash of reality.
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I wonder if the nobama admn. read this article.lol
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IF the Warmist brigade of scientists had had any sense, they would have chosen a gas that actually causes harm, instead of CO2.
Methane would have been a much better choice, because there's about as much chance of reducing that as man has of flying without wings, unless we consider banning all animal farming.

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“… what it takes to cut Earth's CO2 by about 50 percent by the time people party likes it's 2099.‘How can mankind make this happen? Select any one of the following choices from this menu of dizzying options…’
“1. Increase current wind-turbine capacity 575-fold.”

Is that really all it’s going to take? Six times as much wind turban energy in Ninety Years sounds doable. There wasn’t anything in this article that could seriously show that doing nothing wouldn’t cost much more.

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Earthling wrote:
IF the Warmist brigade of scientists had had any sense, they would have chosen a gas that actually causes harm, instead of CO2.
Methane would have been a much better choice, because there's about as much chance of reducing that as man has of flying without wings, unless we consider banning all animal farming.
Man can fly without wings. Burning methane gas in a hot air balloon for instance. Been living under a rock, have you?

Your methane vs CO2 comment makes about as much sense.
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another-peace-nic wrote:
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Man can fly without wings. Burning methane gas in a hot air balloon for instance. Been living under a rock, have you?
Your methane vs CO2 comment makes about as much sense.
'Earthling' really doesn't care to make sense. He only cares to make his ignorant and cynical POV heard. He doesn't even care if what he thinks is really true.

These kind of blowhards used to hang around in bars. Now they become Internet trolls.
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MattJ wrote:
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'Earthling' really doesn't care to make sense. He only cares to make his ignorant and cynical POV heard. He doesn't even care if what he thinks is really true.
These kind of blowhards used to hang around in bars. Now they become Internet trolls.
MattJ, that was brilliant.
Earthling

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Warmists have sunk to new low levels with their insults, closely followed by their cheerleader, truthist:
http://images.paraorkut.com/img/funnypics/ima...

One of them believes that cutting CO2 by 50% would be advantageous. It would initially cost around $45 trillion to start that process, with no guaranteed advantage.
http://www.environmentalleader.com/2008/06/07...

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Admit it, Earthling has a good point. If you guys had selected methane as your villainous agent of climate change, the joke would be on us.

We dodged the bullet on that one.

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Earthling wrote:
...One of them believes that cutting CO2 by 50% would be advantageous. It would initially cost around $45 trillion to start that process, with no guaranteed advantage.
http://www.environmentalleader.com/2008/06/07...
Around $45 trillion in 41 years? If we didn’t have to pay for Bush’s stupid wars and pail out the banking system that tanked while he was looking the other way, the U.S. could manage that on it’s own. As it is, the other benefits (like alternative energy reducing dependence on Middle East oil) give us reason to tighten the belt and do it anyway. Besides, the cost of not doing it would be much higher.
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Brian_G wrote:
Admit it, Earthling has a good point. If you guys had selected methane as your villainous agent of climate change, the joke would be on us.
We dodged the bullet on that one.
Don't minimize your personal guilt, Brian, it's just another evidence of denial:

"Human activity since the industrial revolution has increased the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere, leading to increased radiative forcing from CO2, methane, tropospheric ozone, CFCs and nitrous oxide. The concentrations of CO2 and methane have increased by 36% and 148% respectively since the mid-1700s.[12] These levels are considerably higher than at any time during the last 650,000 years, the period for which reliable data has been extracted from ice cores.[13]" [Wiki]

You haven't "dodged the bullet," you've been hit multiple times and your credibility is all bled away
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If people like Murdoch, Brian_G and Earthling just stopped breathing for a while it could make it easier for the rest of us...:-) Addams family values -- just like the Bush administration they loved the pollutions and contaminants of: depleted uranium munitions and Exxon-juked science

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another-peace-nic wrote:
... Besides, the cost of not doing it would be much higher.
To paraphrase Congressman Everett Dirksen

“A trillion here, a trillion there, sooner or later it adds up to real money.”

What are the costs of doing nothing? Is climate change harmful? How much will we save with this massive expense?

I understand we are talking 2% of GDP, that's 2% less food for the hungry, 2% less medicine for the sick, 2% fewer schools and teachers. It's an enormous expense.

Is it too much to ask for some quantitative tests of how much manmade CO2 causes how much warming? It would be a shame if, when we are done, the mitigation turns out to be negligible.
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Brian_G wrote:
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To paraphrase Congressman Everett Dirksen
“A trillion here, a trillion there, sooner or later it adds up to real money.”
What are the costs of doing nothing? Is climate change harmful? How much will we save with this massive expense?
I understand we are talking 2% of GDP, that's 2% less food for the hungry, 2% less medicine for the sick, 2% fewer schools and teachers. It's an enormous expense.
Is it too much to ask for some quantitative tests of how much manmade CO2 causes how much warming? It would be a shame if, when we are done, the mitigation turns out to be negligible.
Don't forget your ongoing $280 million per day for the Exxon inspired Iraq occupation...you love to spout personal theory and avoid facts: such is called chronic ignorance, BG -- perhaps you should practice some "fire breathing" to get the excess CO2 out of your brain cells -- your condition is making you seem crazier and the rest of us more bored
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Earthling wrote:
.. have sunk to new low levels with insults ..
Yes, you have..

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Earthling wrote:
One of them believes that cutting CO2 by 50% would be advantageous. It would initially cost around $45 trillion......
Didn't think my 50MPG Ford Festiva is worth $45 trillion, but I'll sell it for what the market will bear.

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Cousin Jethro wrote:
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Don't forget your ongoing $280 million per day for the Exxon inspired Iraq occupation...
It's the Obama occupation, now. Obama's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I wish him luck. And our friends and neighbors, over there, defending us.
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It's the Obama occupation, now. Obama's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. I wish him luck. And our friends and neighbors, over there, defending us.
don't tell them that, they don't like it. Their messiah has even ordered African Moslem Pirates to be shot. worse than Bush! of course the CO2 problem could be solved by killing 90% of the world population.
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Around $45 trillion in 41 years? If we didn’t have to pay for Bush’s stupid wars and pail out the banking system that tanked while he was looking the other way, the U.S. could manage that on it’s own. As it is, the other benefits (like alternative energy reducing dependence on Middle East oil) give us reason to tighten the belt and do it anyway. Besides, the cost of not doing it would be much higher.
I don't really care what governments spend on anything, but it would make a pleasant change if they spent money on worthwhile projects.
As I said, there is no guarantee that this project will be worthwhile, only people like you believe it will be, except for the fact that your don't know what the money should be spent on.

NB: It's estimated that there are 90,000 homeless people in Los Angeles (alone) who don't give a shit about global warming.
10 million people around the world are starving to death right now.
Millions of children round the world will not live to see their 5th birthday.
And we sit facing computer monitors, arguing about what 'may' or may not happen in 90 years from now?
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Earthling wrote:
<quoted text>I don't really care what governments spend on anything, but it would make a pleasant change if they spent money on worthwhile projects.
As I said, there is no guarantee that this project will be worthwhile, only people like you believe it will be, except for the fact that your don't know what the money should be spent on.
NB: It's estimated that there are 90,000 homeless people in Los Angeles (alone) who don't give a shit about global warming.
10 million people around the world are starving to death right now.
Millions of children round the world will not live to see their 5th birthday.
And we sit facing computer monitors, arguing about what 'may' or may not happen in 90 years from now?
Interesting Bell curve: those at the top of ExxonMobil don't give a shite about Global Warming, and those you indicate as homeless in L.A.-- so it's ok to be in the middle and care? What seems to be happening is that you and your posts have entered the CO2 fantasy realm -- like BG you should do some yoga fire breathing, expel the excess CO2 from your brain cells, and get on purpose, to stop wasting your and our time
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