12 boys accused in sex assault of second-grader

Someone once said (I forgot who the author was): You can judge a country by how it treats its children and its old people."
If this is true we are in sad shape as a nation.

For the record the northside is ghetto. I say lets hold the parents responsible for not teaching their boys right from wrong,and the teachers too, for not supervising the children. At that age, your a babysitter and its their primary responsibility.

My older kids are home schooled. It is a hassle, but we know what is going on with them. My youngest is in private school and that is a hassle too, but it is a good school with good kids. We did this because the public schools couldn't teach, the public school environment was hostile to the students, and all they did was teach to the insane TAKs test. I'm not surprised at the age of these kids that committed this offense because that is where I first saw the decline.

Another thing, we only have one T.V. in our whole house. That makes us weird, but my kids enjoy reading. As one of my daughter's friends said as they played in her room, "What's with all of the books?"

Everyone here,raises good oppinions and points on this morbid situation.It does have everything to do,with parents not able to be present after school.It has to do with what they are watching,and what their parents monitor.It has to do with the new,completely uneducated,maximum sexual content,"white trash",entertainment,REAL ITY shows,but not only these shows,basically all shows.Family Guys,theme song sings"It seems today,that all you see,is violence in movies,and sex on t.v." HOw true?(we won't get into the content of this program,which aires late at night,when kids should be sleeping)Violence and crimes,are everywhere we turn,and it seems like there is no escaping it. Also how many parents are out there,all over the nation,getting high,and wasted,when they should be watching their children.Or even worse,doing it with their children.These awful things happen too.Maybe communities,who really care,should really start taking action,and get more involved with after school programs,boys&girls clubs,and other clubs to keep kids off the streets.Other friendly neighbors,could even get together for coffee,and have each other backs,watching kids. Like,maybe if a family knows of a single parent working 2 jobs to pay the bills,maybe the family,could invite the children over a few days a week to hang out,get homework done,and maybe have a meal,or snack.There was a family featured in a magazine a read,who didn't have a lot of money themselves,and had children,and knew the neighborhood kids,didn't have sufficient supervision.So this family,installed 2 basketballhoops,and allowed the children,boys or girls,to come hang out,eat(they would buy in bulk,and also later got aide from the community,and state)They also let children sleep there,only one child at a time.The family had no girls,yet the mother would talk to the young ladies,do projects w/them,etc. Its an example of humanity,for god sakes,its time some good deeds,start erasing the bad,instead of good people paying for it!

The North side is crime-ridden.
Playground staff was probably off doing the same thing the kids were doing, but after a bout on the crack pipe.

Knock Knock wrote:

Let me clarifly what I meant about "a son".
I mean a son as in I don't have to worry about my daughter as much.
But if looking it as one of these boys fathers, I guess they are probably saying they wish they had a girl!!!
No matter what. EVERYONE IS THIS STORY LOST OUT!!!

Yeah it's the old adage "With a son you only have to worry about one penis, with a daughter you have to worry about them all."

Maybe they were just playing "doctor". They were doing rounds. One was the section chief, then an attending a few residents and a few were Med students" Kids are way more sophisticated today then we were.

Well, what do you expect? We put God out of school, glorify sin and homosexual stuff, make fun of the bible and its teachings, and let the liberals have their way with society. Now we are just a step away from "animal kingdom". People have no morals and no guidance. We need to put prayer back in school and stop this Sodom and Gamorrah life style. That is the only answere. I used to work with a guy that was a counseler for sexual preditors, children preditors. Like 10 to 18. He quit his job. He told me that out of the hundreds he helped counsel, not one ever changed. Not one! He gave up. From observations I have made, molestation has to be spiritual, I mean demonic spirits. You dont believe in demon possession? Fine, you dont have too. I do, I have seen it! Look at people you know that have been molested, they all have problems dont they? All I know have problems years later. I know of one lady that was and still is a missionary. She had issues with her husband. Counseling led to deliverance. The demons were brought forth and commanded ,"upon what ground do you stand?" In her twenties, she found that she was molested at three years old. She had no idea, checked with her mother and father, and found this did indeed happen. Its real guys, the more we turn from Jesus, the more we turn to Sodom and Gamorrah. All you have to do is look around.

Stiv wrote:

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Yeah it's the old adage "With a son you only have to worry about one penis, with a daughter you have to worry about them all."
Maybe they were just playing "doctor". They were doing rounds. One was the section chief, then an attending a few residents and a few were Med students" Kids are way more sophisticated today then we were.

Stiv, you are right about kids being more sophisticated...or maybe forced to grow up too fast because of their home environment...latch key kids, mom comes home from work too tired to cook so they microwave everything, dad comes home too tired to play ball in the back yard so the kids are stuck in front of the TV...watching WHO knows what...its really sad

Milena wrote:

I'm confused by this article... Did the boys actually do anything?(Assault / molest?) Or was this broken-up before anything even happened... The article says the girl was physically unharmed.

I, too, was wondering the same thing. What exactly did they do? How could she be physically unharmed if they assaulted her? I don't understand how 12 kids can surround someone and no one heard this little girl scream, or did she even scream? This may be a case of overreaction.

Just An Observer wrote:

Welcome to the world of "Both parents are working to pay the bills, and no ones's home to watch the kids". A large majority of parents of just into their own little world of keeping up with the Jones' and trying to impress their neighbor with the kind of car they have in the driveway. I wonder how many parents actually monitor the programs their children watch. This is a sad, disgusting story. It has shocked a majority of the human race. Sad, so very sad.

My parents worked and IM not a freak! I just started keeping a 3 yr old girl and a 5 yr old boy. The three year old can cuss you out as thoroughly as ANY sailor could! And when you put HER in time out the mouth just keeps flying!! These kids have been TAUGHT by their parents this crap! My first week I thought Id quit them but then I thought "I might be the ONLY person who EVER shows them right from wrong."
Im trying REAL hard not to say "Dont bring those monsters back to my house." Some days are harder than others!
The blame lies with the parents.... Spare the Rod - Spoil the child!
If that lil girl was MINE I'd put the fear of God (and her mother) in her!! BUT you cant spank another persons child and NOT be convicted of a crime in this day and time. My mother used to tell other mothers "If my girls act out - whip em!" And that was enough to make US respect our elders!

Thank you MTV and the wonderful public non-education system.

Sparky wrote:

Thank you MTV and the wonderful public non-education system.

Thank you lazyass parents for not taking care of your children and the wonderful public educational system for allowing rapes, sexual harrassment and bullying to go on. Oh yes, I forgot they're underpaid for babysitting.

kristie2490 wrote:

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My parents worked and IM not a freak! I just started keeping a 3 yr old girl and a 5 yr old boy. The three year old can cuss you out as thoroughly as ANY sailor could! And when you put HER in time out the mouth just keeps flying!! These kids have been TAUGHT by their parents this crap! My first week I thought Id quit them but then I thought "I might be the ONLY person who EVER shows them right from wrong."
Im trying REAL hard not to say "Dont bring those monsters back to my house." Some days are harder than others!
The blame lies with the parents.... Spare the Rod - Spoil the child!
If that lil girl was MINE I'd put the fear of God (and her mother) in her!! BUT you cant spank another persons child and NOT be convicted of a crime in this day and time. My mother used to tell other mothers "If my girls act out - whip em!" And that was enough to make US respect our elders!

I agree but using the rod isn't the solution. Parenting classes is more appropriate. The vicious cycle of ignorance is being passed on to their kids.

Redneck wrote:

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I agree but using the rod isn't the solution. Parenting classes is more appropriate. The vicious cycle of ignorance is being passed on to their kids.

Or one could say it went from IGNORANCE of raising kids to IGNORING raising of the kids...

It's funny, you know, I've been having this discussion over on an Aikido mailing list I participate in about abusive instructors.

These boys point to a deeper problem than television or discipline or lazy parents or bad schools or religion (or lack thereof) or a lot of other things we are quick to blame.

I make part of my living teaching children (http://www.fivespeed.org/aikido-rio-vista ), so I see a lot of, um, "interesting family situations". I currently have a pretty good group of kids, but I've had some where I wanted to get the parents on the mat and demonstrate to them what my training is *not* about.

What I see is a serious lack of empathy.

One of the things I teach my own kids and my students is to consider how that other person will feel about what is happening to them. How would you feel? Is that something you want someone to do to you. It's interesting how a lot of religions have scriptures which address this empathy.

And respect for yourself and others.

Every human has a right to pursue his or her own happiness, so long as it does not harm other people. Some of this stuff happens when we stop thinking of others as humans and start thinking of them as simply objects.

Interestingly, respect follows empathy without fail.

I can only speak for myself, but I remember playing "you show me yours" with a girl in my third grade class on the playground and to be honest with everybody I'm not sure where we got the idea but we certainly enjoyed the game. I guess what I'm saying is even at that young age our sexual orientation was established and we were aware of each others differences. I think a certain amount of this sort of thing will go on with children and I don't think it will have any dire consequences for the most part. Having said that I also think that this incident needs to be dealt with in a sane rational manner by all concerned. If they over react to this incident more damage could occur from the reaction than from the incident. As human beings, as with any species, our primary biological purpose is to reproduce ourselves. For whatever reason we have decided that this urge is a dirty nasty thing to be denied and suppressed while at the same time we are constantly bombarded with sexually oriented material every day. We've basically turned into a bunch of guilt ridden sex maniacs. Sex causes children. Children need guidance and love to develop properly. We need to stress the willingness to accept responsibility for our actions where sex is concerned. In that way, when we do find a mate we can enjoy the act for it's truly wonderous nature as nature intended rather than end up feeling dirty and used.

You have a very good point.

Name withheld wrote:

I can only speak for myself, but I remember playing "you show me yours" with a girl in my third grade class on the playground and to be honest with everybody I'm not sure where we got the idea but we certainly enjoyed the game. I guess what I'm saying is even at that young age our sexual orientation was established and we were aware of each others differences. I think a certain amount of this sort of thing will go on with children and I don't think it will have any dire consequences for the most part. Having said that I also think that this incident needs to be dealt with in a sane rational manner by all concerned. If they over react to this incident more damage could occur from the reaction than from the incident. As human beings, as with any species, our primary biological purpose is to reproduce ourselves. For whatever reason we have decided that this urge is a dirty nasty thing to be denied and suppressed while at the same time we are constantly bombarded with sexually oriented material every day. We've basically turned into a bunch of guilt ridden sex maniacs. Sex causes children. Children need guidance and love to develop properly. We need to stress the willingness to accept responsibility for our actions where sex is concerned. In that way, when we do find a mate we can enjoy the act for it's truly wonderous nature as nature intended rather than end up feeling dirty and used.

Name withheld wrote:

I can only speak for myself, but I remember playing "you show me yours" with a girl in my third grade class on the playground and to be honest with everybody I'm not sure where we got the idea but we certainly enjoyed the game. I guess what I'm saying is even at that young age our sexual orientation was established and we were aware of each others differences. I think a certain amount of this sort of thing will go on with children and I don't think it will have any dire consequences for the most part. Having said that I also think that this incident needs to be dealt with in a sane rational manner by all concerned. If they over react to this incident more damage could occur from the reaction than from the incident. As human beings, as with any species, our primary biological purpose is to reproduce ourselves. For whatever reason we have decided that this urge is a dirty nasty thing to be denied and suppressed while at the same time we are constantly bombarded with sexually oriented material every day. We've basically turned into a bunch of guilt ridden sex maniacs. Sex causes children. Children need guidance and love to develop properly. We need to stress the willingness to accept responsibility for our actions where sex is concerned. In that way, when we do find a mate we can enjoy the act for it's truly wonderous nature as nature intended rather than end up feeling dirty and used.

U do raise a very educated point!(thank-U:)) Sigmund Freaud,studied behaviors of early sexual orientation. Those who know,Penis Envy,woumb envy,how children discover mom and dads organs,and notice they lack or have something similiar or different.Children also start touching and noticing they're genitals,which is true,b/c how many of us actually catch kids doing this.They are curious,and maybe its not that foul,its more curiousity,and NOPE,I'm definately not saying there is nothing wrong with these public sexual displays,at all!! But,I am saying that children,should maybe learn earlier that it is not ok to "touch"b/c the sun don't shine there for a reason.U people get what I mean,don't be a smarta$$. and b/c of the articles cut-off,from the whole story,we still don't know,the whole situation,was it a game of "hospitol",was it "show yours first,god knows,all we know is that,an elementary female,student,was unharmed,but was on the ground,w/little boys surrounding her? WTH??

Dominance. Dominance. Dominance. Sex may be the expression of the assault, but groups of male, primates or humans, must exert physical domination on the weakest of the group. The assaulters must reinforce the image of their dominance by increased cruelty during the assault.

This is the basis of why a study of rape vitims will consistently show that "group" rape is markedly more violent than a "one-on-one" criminal sexual assault. In the group situation, each rapist actually performs for the group to reinforce and admire the individual rapists performance.

TexasTumbleweed wrote:

<quoted text>This whole new way of discipline just isn't working. Todays teens are a perfect example of what "time out" did for them as kids. We had time out but it was NOTHING like it is today...we got out butts busted, but good...then told to go stand in a corner and stare at the wall. Not this one minute sitting on the floor crap...this whole child discipline thing gets under my skin.

i'm not disagreeing with you, but you do know why time out exists? it's because an overwhelming amount of parents crossed the line between abuse and discipline. seeing a 5 year old child on a respirator because he got in a fight a school isn't very fun.