Bob: Were Boys Forced to Attend School Swim Lessons Completely Nude?

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"I can assure you that there was no nudity"

Are you speaking for your school and your particular experience or are you speaking on behalf of the entire education system for that period?
It was very rare in the UK but a very good school in my town had a 'no suits' policy until sometime in the 1970s.
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Speaking for primary and secondary schools in the US at the time. It never would have been tolerated. Pedo Bob likes to say that it would have been, but then he wasn't here either, and the real purpose of his "queries" (so to speak)and his statements is to elicit the sort of narrative about young boys to which he can masturbate.
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MaltaMon wrote:
This one's for my friend Pedo Bob of Dorval and Montreal, Canada. As an American male old enough to have been required to take swim lessons in public school as a teenager during the early 1970s, I can assure you that there was no nudity, period. We were issued bathing suits, which were required by the state. No boy was permitted to bring is own. Bob's entire line of nudity in the public schools (apart from the showers and streaking) is complete bullshit. He gets off on the images and the fantastic stories that others tell of naked young boys in public schools, as he has for five years on threads of Education Forum.
I can't speak for every school in the world but I can speak about the high school I went to. I'll name the school, Los Angeles High School in Los Angeles, Ca. The school had an Olympic size pool that was completely indoors and the boys were required to swam naked. There was never an instance of a female life guard, or a female teacher entering the pool area to deliver a message to a gym coach. There were never female spectators in the stands and no girls were allowed in the pool area during boy's swim classes. All boys gym teachers were male (all girls gym teacher were female). AFAIK, the girls wore tank suits issued by the school during their swim classes. Thus, CFNM scenarios such as some have described, never happened, except for a couple of brief occasions where a girl inadvertently entered the ramp leading from the girls locker room to the pool. In both instances, she beat a hasty retreat upon observing the boys.

After Title IX was passed, there was a law suit filed in the early 1970s by a committee of parents who objected to the requirement and also a feminist organization. The parents claimed that requiring the boys to swim nude while the girls wore swim suits discriminated against the former while the feminists argued that forcing the boys to swim nude discriminated against the girls because it effectively denied the use of the pool to them for 1/2 the available time. They were successful as the judge ruled in their favor. Instead of appealing the decision, the school board punted and decreed that swim classes would be coed with the boys now required to wear swim suits.
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except for a couple of brief occasions where a girl inadvertently entered the ramp leading from the girls locker room to the pool. In both instances, she beat a hasty retreat upon observing the boys.
CFNM.
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"except for a couple of brief occasions where a girl inadvertently entered the ramp leading from the girls locker room to the pool. In both instances, she beat a hasty retreat upon observing the boys"

This could happen.
We had an instance in one of our newspapers quite recently where a party of schoolchildren were enjoying a birthday party in a function room at a pool on the same night a group of nudists had booked a swimming session.
The children spotted the adults and had to be ushered away rather quickly.
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CFNM.
Technically, I guess you could call these two occasions a CFNM encounter; however, they lasted about 10 seconds each so it wasn't much of one.
Phil

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SLC, he is obsessed with CFNM.
He can barely rattle of a coherent sentence without mentioning it.
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Technically, I guess you could call these two occasions a CFNM encounter; however, they lasted about 10 seconds each so it wasn't much of one.
But obviously they lasted long enough for you to enjoy them, and recall them decades later on this forum, because you're a CFNM fetishist.
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Phil wrote:
SLC, he is obsessed with CFNM.
He can barely rattle of a coherent sentence without mentioning it.
Phil, you're dense beyond belief. He mentioned CFNM IN HIS POST. So I guess he's obsessed with it too?

Apparently you can't distinguish between someone like me who is ANTI-CFNM and points it out, and others like coyot and Bob who have a fetish for CFNM-fantasy stories and drool over it.

But keep trying Phil, maybe someday you'll develop normal, adult reading comprehension skills.
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Phil wrote:
This could happen.
We had an instance in one of our newspapers quite recently where a party of schoolchildren were enjoying a birthday party in a function room at a pool on the same night a group of nudists had booked a swimming session.
The children spotted the adults and had to be ushered away rather quickly.
How stupid. No, that could never happen. Like girls could never enter the wrong ramp and see naked boys swimming at school. Especially after he just insisted female teachers and girls were kept out of the area when boys swam.
Either the doors were locked or not. Either girls and boys took their phys ed class together or not. Which is it? Can't be both.
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"He mentioned CFNM IN HIS POST. So I guess he's obsessed with it too"

And what about the many, many other posts on other topics within which the poster did NOT mention CFNM but you just couldn't stop yourself from bringing it up?
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Phil wrote:
And what about the many, many other posts on other topics within which the poster did NOT mention CFNM but you just couldn't stop yourself from bringing it up?
As I said, I find CFNM disgusting and I call it out when I see it presented here as "a childhood memory" etc. I know it didn't happen and I know the people who insisted it did are fetishists.

Keep trying Phil, someday you'll figure out the difference between me and them. I won't hold my breath though.
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If it's not a fascination with young boys, it's CFNM. That is not to suggest that there aren't those who regard the alleged nude-swimming requirement as a legitimate issue. The perverts are few--Pedo Bob and those who actually treat his contributions with respect, as if they come from the Oracle of Delphi--but I don't see anything here that would qualify anyone for inclusion in Bob's stable. And in the spirit of legitimacy, I'm very surprised that the Los Angeles school district, the third largest in the nation at the time (now second-largest), would have even permitted nude swimming in its schools, much less required it of boys.
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That is not to suggest that there aren't those who regard the alleged nude-swimming requirement as a legitimate issue.
Don't misunderstand me. I believe nude-swimming for boys WAS a requirement in many places.

I just DO NOT believe clothed women EVER supervised it, nor were clothed girls EVER allowed inside the room. Period.

Those who claim otherwise have a fetish fantasy.
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Don't misunderstand me. I believe nude-swimming for boys WAS a requirement in many places.
I just DO NOT believe clothed women EVER supervised it, nor were clothed girls EVER allowed inside the room. Period.
Those who claim otherwise have a fetish fantasy.
I agree completely with the CFNM element of what you say. But I have difficulty with the notion that public schools in the United States would have permitted the nude-swimming requirement as late as the 1970s. It would have been scandalous in that era. Elsewhere, perhaps in Germany, where nudity is not a big deal, I can see that happening.
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How stupid. No, that could never happen. Like girls could never enter the wrong ramp and see naked boys swimming at school. Especially after he just insisted female teachers and girls were kept out of the area when boys swam.
Either the doors were locked or not. Either girls and boys took their phys ed class together or not. Which is it? Can't be both.
Let me make it perfectly clear so that there will be no misunderstanding. The girls did not enter the wrong ramp. There were two ramps leading to the pool area, one from the girls locker room and one from the boys locker room. The ramps entered the pool area at the opposite ends of the pool, the boys at the deep end and the girls at the shallow end as the two locker rooms were, in fact, separated by the building containing the pool.

As for the doors being locked, it is my information that this would have been a violation of the fire codes. If there were a fire in the men's locker room, for instance, anyone in the pool area would have had to exit via the girls locker room.
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"I just DO NOT believe clothed women EVER supervised it"

In the UK some years ago there was a school for able bodied boys with special needs, catering for students up to the age of 16.
There were no male members of staff and as a shower was a requirement after sports and it was made clear that the showers would be supervised by the (female) staff.
I can't recall the name or the location and for all I know it may still exist.
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MaltaMon wrote:
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I agree completely with the CFNM element of what you say. But I have difficulty with the notion that public schools in the United States would have permitted the nude-swimming requirement as late as the 1970s. It would have been scandalous in that era. Elsewhere, perhaps in Germany, where nudity is not a big deal, I can see that happening.
All I can say is that that was the situation when I went to high school from 1955 to 1958. As to why this regulation was imposed, there has been much discussion on both Topix, Voy, and other venues relative to this issue. IMHO, most of the explanations are bogus.

1. The claim that fibers from boy's swim suits would clog the filters is piffle. The girls swam with swim suits made out of the same material and it would seem that this didn't cause any problem.

2. The claim that the boys would store wet swim suits in their lockers which would lead to mildew is piffle. The school issued tank swim suits to the girls before every swimming session and collected them afterwards. The same thing could have been done relative to boys swim suits.

3. The claim that allowing the boys to wear swim suits would track dirt into the pool is piffle. They could have showered in the school issued swim suits, just as the girls did.

4. The claim that forcing the boys to swim naked would act as a deterrent to bad behavior, such as engaging in wrestling matches in the pool has, IMHO, some validity. The theory behind this claim is that teenage boys tend to engage in such behavior, whereas girls are less so inclined, which, from my, albeit limited experience, is not altogether unfounded. However, since there was, at all times, both a gym teacher and a lifeguard in attendance, it would seem that they would have been able to keep things under control (by the way, this was probably one reason why the girls wore swim suits because a male lifeguard supervised both classes).

5. Now we come to what, IMHO, was the real reason for this regulation, namely selective service aka the military draft. I think that the idea was that requiring the boys to swim naked with other boys would eliminate any tendency towards bashfulness and modesty, both of which would be counterproductive in military service. It may be a coincidence but it is telling that naked male swimming started to be phased out at the time that selective service was suspended in the early 1970s.
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There were no male members of staff and as a shower was a requirement after sports and it was made clear that the showers would be supervised by the (female) staff.
I can't recall the name or the location and for all I know it may still exist.
Oh Phil, your CFNM fetish is showing again. I don't believe a WORD of that story. I don't believe clothed women showered nude 16-year-old boys every day.

Nice try. Keep 'em coming.
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Let me make it perfectly clear so that there will be no misunderstanding. The girls did not enter the wrong ramp. There were two ramps leading to the pool area, one from the girls locker room and one from the boys locker room. The ramps entered the pool area at the opposite ends of the pool, the boys at the deep end and the girls at the shallow end as the two locker rooms were, in fact, separated by the building containing the pool.
Then sir, you've refuted your own earlier statement which follows:
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"There were never female spectators in the stands and no girls were allowed in the pool area during boy's swim classes."
Either girls were allowed to enter where boys were nude, or they weren't. As with all CFNM fetishists, you're ashamed to directly state facts. Therefore you have clothed girls stumbling upon nude boys "by accident". This is a very old, familiar trick in CFNM storytelling. It's never intentional, just happens by circumstance. Not buying it.

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