Boys Nude Swimming In Gym Class

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Inquirer

United States

#127 Jul 18, 2007
Posts deleted again -- what's going on??
Dylan

Australia

#128 Jul 19, 2007
The next time they delete this thread, wouldn't it be nice to be told why things were deleted?

My previous posts:
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Thursday Jul 5

It's been really interesting. We have both the "nudity is sexual always and should be stopped in non-sexual situations" and also those who say "what's wrong with it" I confess, I belong to the latter crowd. Have those of you who believe that nudity is always sexual stopped and thought about why you think that? Could it be because the only time you were naked was when you were either bathing or having sex? Is nudity sexual because it's considered "not done"? I'm all for the option of swimming naked. I'm all for the option of being naked wherever you are. But our taboos have made that an impossibility, until something happens, and nudity is no longer taboo. How? well, for starters, allow boys and girls to be naked, especially for things which are practical naked (ie swimming, where it's got to be easier for parents too, with no swimming clothes to wash and dry by the next day.) My body's not fantastic, but I've learned to be comfortable with it. It wasn't always that way, I used to hate the idea of going into a locker room and changing.(even before development) because nudity was bad. I was frowned upon (by parents) for sleeping naked when I no longer shared a room, even when I was older, and it made no difference to anyone else.

I think my bad body image was in part attributable to the taboo on nudity. I never saw other guy's bodies really, and so developed unhealthy ideas about what my body should be like, based on what seemed to be under their shirts etc.

For the record, I'm gay, but that's really not a part of this. I think it's awful that Women also feel ashamed of nakedness, and find that sexy guys look sexier when they're wearing something.

Texasstardog, do you know these people are gay? or have you assumed that ebcause they're naked with other men, they're gay. In my locker room, it's not quite the norm to walk naked from locker to shower and back again, but it's completely acceptable. It's because "not pretty" people aren't allowed to wander naked or even semi-naked that body image is so bad today.
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Monday Jul 9

Matt, if you read the actual whole sentence:
"A reaction like Matt's back when we were swimming naked would have been as unthinkable to us, as our swimming naked is unthinkable to him."
What he's actually saying is "If Matt had been present, and reacted as he has done just now, no-one would believe that it was happening." I'd like to point out that the courts would throw that out in no time flat, as you are obviously seeking offense by not actually contemplating complete sentences, which are supposed to run along the lines of one sentence=one thought.

Also:
I find it disturbing that you imbue situations that you were never present at with such meanings, I believe that if you presented this to courts, you'd be liable for slander of both Thom and the friend/friend's mum.

You are taking someone's descriptions of how they felt, and what they did, and telling them that that's not how they really felt.

You're also making the fallacy of the slippery slope, where you say that if a position,(ie nudity in public is fine) is acceptable, then the extreme of that position (in your view, "a mother following a teen into the locker room and groping him") is also acceptable. It's not a legitimate argument in any sense of the word, and the closest you'd get to it is predcedent setting in the courts.
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Inquirer

United States

#129 Jul 19, 2007
``The next time they delete this thread, wouldn't it be nice to be told why things were deleted?``

Precisely why I refuse to sign up with this forum.
Penny Farthing

Danvers, MA

#130 Jul 19, 2007
It is by now abundantly clear that if we wish to pursue this topic it will have to be somewhere else. We could set up a web page of our own, or move it to a newsgroup.

A web site would be better, as a newsgroup will be subject to crazies and spammers.

I cannot volunteer my time to run a web site. Any volunteers?

I have never used it, but google has a new easy to use web creator thing...
Inquirer

United States

#132 Jul 20, 2007
``Any volunteers?``

While you have made an excellent suggestion, I regret that I cannot create such a group because of my computer illiteracy.

Hopefully, someone who cares for America's youth and has some computer expertise can volunteer the time and effort.
Penny Farthing

United States

#133 Jul 20, 2007
BRATTLEBORO, Vermont (Reuters)- A Vermont town that is gaining national attention for brash displays of nudity -- from teens in the buff to naked elderly people -- awoke on Wednesday to an emergency ban on nakedness in most public places.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1...
Maxundmorritz

District Heights, MD

#134 Aug 1, 2007
Nude swimming which was the way most swimming was done since before the dawn of history is now considered a threat to society to such a degree that websites about it keep getting taken off. Sort of like nipples. Excluding the blind just about anybody can pull their clothing out of the way and look down and see two nipples. You can look at them all day long but if you see them on tv who knows what will happen. I am undergoing such a psychiatric trauma that I shall have to vacation in the Tetons and listen to Jelly Roll Morton.
Phillip

Minneapolis, MN

#135 Aug 2, 2007
I was going to comment earlier, but the thread was deleted. I posted my own thread, and then found this one. Hopefully, something will get through.

I grew up always swimming naked at school, at the Y, and on the swim team. This wasn't a choice, so we didn't consider it right or wrong. Adults made choices for us all the time. When to go to school, what kind of shoes to wear to church, how to behave at the grocery store. We were accustomed to rules already being in place, and we adapted to them, as kids do everywhere. So nudity in gym class and at the YMCA was an accepted part of a pre-existing system. And as an accepted part of this system, we considered it normal, not sexual. It helped that the gym teachers were also nude. Generally, before class got underway, the teacher would be wrapped in a towel, but once class started, he would hang it over a chair and get in the pool nude with the rest of us. No one thought anything about this. It was completely accepted that swimming was done nude, so we would have thought it strange if he hadn't swum nude as well. I don't know when things changed, or why. That happened after I graduated from high school. Nudity among boys in environments such as these - public or private - was never something to be feared or ashamed of. I should add that, because it was pre-accepted, we didn't have to go through any sort of adaption or acceptance phases. We were free to enjoy it, without guilt or embarrassment. In 11th grade, mine was the last gym class of the day. We often stayed after for another half hour or so, if the swim team wasn't practicing, and played in the pool naked. I feel bad for kids today who are so ashamed of themselves that something as pleasant and innocent as this is necessarily avoided. We've lost a lot.

Phillip
Maxundmorritz

District Heights, MD

#136 Aug 3, 2007
I had nude swimming in school. Before we went in we did exercises in the nude. I never see any mention of nude exercise in websites that deal with nude swimming. The only time we did the nude exercise was when we had the pool. In the distant past there were no pe uniforms and kids worked out in the nude. I had a rash down there during my teenage years. Would nude exercise prevented the rash? For a brief period there was streaking but instead of requiring some warning that a bunch kids in the nude was approaching there was a crackdown on streaking and kids ended up with nasty police records.
Stephen Dunn

Minneapolis, MN

#137 Aug 6, 2007
Are there two of these replacement threads? I'd like post, but on which one?

Stephen Dunn
mel

Homosassa, FL

#138 Sep 18, 2007
Apparently if anyone doesn't like you said, they can just click on the "flag" and it's gone. Just like me!
mel

Homosassa, FL

#139 Sep 18, 2007
sorry - (correction) like what you said. Anyway I will never be back to this site.
shy guy

Salem, MI

#140 Nov 8, 2007
in the late 50's and early 60's wyandotte boys were required to swim nude and had occasional annus and penis exams very embarassing
shy guy

Salem, MI

#141 Nov 8, 2007
we were required to swim nudein boys gym class it was a discusting experience
Maxundmorritz

District Heights, MD

#142 Nov 9, 2007
shy guy wrote:
in the late 50's and early 60's wyandotte boys were required to swim nude and had occasional annus and penis exams very embarrassing
How come you did learn about punctuation and sentences. That ignorance is embarrassing. Btw things go wrong with anuses and penises that could lead to death. Or was it that std's spread through G.A.Y. meetings in the public restroom were discovered? It is hard to believe that with all the nude swimming done a few years ago that more than a few public pools do not let nude use continue because of public support for it.
donald

United States

#143 Dec 18, 2007
Prior to starting high school I knew the all boys Lane Tech HS in Chicago required freshman to take swimming class naked. Of course this caused mucho anxiety leading up to that fateful first day. Into the locker room and strip down, then communal shower, and finally be inspected by the swim suited life guards to see if we we're clean. Once exposed however it really wasn't such a big deal. Actually, being gay, the experience of hanging out with 75 other naked 14 year olds was kind of like hanging out in a candy store. After that first day swim day was my favorite day of the week.
Sammy

Des Plaines, IL

#144 Dec 31, 2007
Dead forum
JOHN

AOL

#146 Jan 24, 2008
donald wrote:
Prior to starting high school I knew the all boys Lane Tech HS in Chicago required freshman to take swimming class naked. Of course this caused mucho anxiety leading up to that fateful first day. Into the locker room and strip down, then communal shower, and finally be inspected by the swim suited life guards to see if we we're clean. Once exposed however it really wasn't such a big deal. Actually, being gay, the experience of hanging out with 75 other naked 14 year olds was kind of like hanging out in a candy store. After that first day swim day was my favorite day of the week.
Amen,Brother- as a closeted 50 yr old I could have wrote your comment.
John - Techny Illinois

Naperville, IL

#147 Jan 30, 2008
Going to Roosevelt high school in the sixties, we had to not only swim naked but also shower naked with soap and shampoo; if you didnt have any the school made sure you got some. and then someone would check you over to make sure....
Thursdays and fridays because of scheduling problems in my jr and sr yr we shared the pool with girls. us boys were naked all the time but girls it was clothing optional because you know female probl....we also shared the same shower and locker with them...except they got dressed in a different area. most of the girls swam naked with us but they had their own class in one part of the pool.
Tom

Qualicum Beach, Canada

#148 Feb 15, 2008
I was in school back in 50s and 60s Being naked was my cup of tea. As for the other exams. Couldnt handle....

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