Itís a Sad Day at Toyota

Jun 2, 2010 | Posted by: JJFADS | Full story: www.nytimes.com

Toyota was left behind licking its chops as everyone else posted tremendous gains. Toyotaís executives are jumping ship and scurrying around like rats.

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JJ (aka Root):
I don't own one so I can't comment other than what I read......
For example here's what one prominent car mag has to say: "At $19,705 and up, the 2012 Toyota Prius C subcompact is the company's least expensive hybrid.
It's also tied with its larger Prius liftback sibling for best gas mileage on the market: 50 mpg combined.
And those two qualities seem to be making it a sales hit for Toyota, meaning car buyers seem to like the littlest Prius.
But not Consumer Reports."
Now then wiseass, what words of wisdom do you have for (a) CR's top 10 picks for 2012, and (b) Massive layoffs by GM?
Don't forget---you claim you're not interested in Canada, but you have a lot to say about us Canucks, plus you had a lot to say about layoffs in Australia. So why the deke, big guy?
It seems your likes and dislikes are always slightly "inconsistent".
Sir, I will ask you in a very nice and respectable manner not to utilize my handle with Mr. Root.

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JJ (aka Root):
I don't own one so I can't comment other than what I read......
For example here's what one prominent car mag has to say: "At $19,705 and up, the 2012 Toyota Prius C subcompact is the company's least expensive hybrid.
It's also tied with its larger Prius liftback sibling for best gas mileage on the market: 50 mpg combined.
And those two qualities seem to be making it a sales hit for Toyota, meaning car buyers seem to like the littlest Prius.
But not Consumer Reports."
Now then wiseass, what words of wisdom do you have for (a) CR's top 10 picks for 2012, and (b) Massive layoffs by GM?
Don't forget---you claim you're not interested in Canada, but you have a lot to say about us Canucks, plus you had a lot to say about layoffs in Australia. So why the deke, big guy?
It seems your likes and dislikes are always slightly "inconsistent".
I am saddened by the loss of jobs and wish the best for your fellow countrymen. Though it is important to note, this line closure was necessary and announced years ago to plant officials and local government. More product is on the way. Sadly the misinformation is abundant.
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Happy and Laughing wrote:
No more top notch Prius? Must be the recalls.
Prius and Prius V: both on Consumer Reports recommended lists.
Prius C: not recommended, cheap interior, gas mileage.
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Actually, here's a c&p of the Cons. Rpts. take on the Prius C:
"CR Model Summary
The Prius C is an affordable, smaller alternative for those who want a Prius hybrid for less money, starting for less than $20,000. But its harsh ride, noisy engine and cabin, and slow acceleration make it feel more like an econobox than a sophisticated hybrid. It gets the best city fuel economy, 37 mpg, of any car we've tested, and its 43 mpg overall is just 1 mpg less than the regular Prius. The interior is full of cheap-looking materials, the driving position and rear seats are cramped, and there's not much cargo space. We can't recommend the Prius C because it scores too low in our tests. We do expect it to have very good reliability."
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JJFADS wrote:
<quoted text>Sir, I will ask you in a very nice and respectable manner not to utilize my handle with Mr. Root.
I will respond in a respectable manner accordingly.
If you and Mr. Root are not one and the same, then I offer an apology for my remark.
That said, if you aren't so involved in the games people play here, good on ya.
Until recently I had always felt you had more maturity and integrity than getting involved with ugly and sordid comments like those coming from Mr. Root and others of his ilk.
But for many reasons, for the last while I wasn't sure.
Thanks for clarifying.
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JJFADS wrote:
<quoted text>I am saddened by the loss of jobs and wish the best for your fellow countrymen. Though it is important to note, this line closure was necessary and announced years ago to plant officials and local government. More product is on the way. Sadly the misinformation is abundant.
I don't know what you're hearing, but this situation in Oshawa will result in a net loss of 2000 GM jobs (plus about 5 times that number in spinoffs) regardless of what the future holds.
Yes, the closure was announced as a possibility in 2007/08.(not 2005) when GM was facing bankruptcy--when the Federal and Provincial Governments supported GM to the tune of many billions of dollars (yet to be repaid BTW!)
A GM Oshawa assembly operation is closing which will cost at least 2500 jobs, with the possibility of transferring roughly 500 of those jobs to other local operations "sometime in future", according to GM spokespersons.
And yes, a rather vague pledge has been made to add a product line or two in future to existing operations--but with strict conditions, such as "only if Canadian operations can become more competitive".
Lastly, the CAW enters into contract negotiations with GM (plus Ford and Chrysler) this Fall, and this action by GM is generally seen and accepted as a ploy to set the tone for the upcoming negotiations.
GM wants more concessions, and this is little more than a veiled "or else" pre-bargaining strategy.

One more thing.
Nothing even vaguely resembling an apology has been offered to date by General Motors.
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First, the little 4 paid shady characters to undermine Toyota by paying them to crash Toyotas and blame unexplained acceleration. Now, its window switches that catch fire.....the domestics have that problem along with to many other problems to list. NEXT!!!!!!!!!!
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<quoted text>Best month in 33 months.
Volt outselling its Prius counterpart, now the #1 position for the year.
Transaction prices up.
Retail deliveries up.
Sounds good to me.
JJFAGS, math not your strong area...no need to answer. Lets see, the Pruis sold 3,000,000+....fact! The Volt sold....around 10,000 units...fact! Now, JJFAGS your IQ is up to 78....congrats!!!!!!
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<quoted text>JJFAGS, math not your strong area...no need to answer. Lets see, the Pruis sold 3,000,000+....fact! The Volt sold....around 10,000 units...fact! Now, JJFAGS your IQ is up to 78....congrats!!!!!!
I believe JJFADS was referring to the Prius C, the "plug in" Prius. The "C" has not gotten very good reviews as of late.
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First, the little 4 paid shady characters to undermine Toyota by paying them to crash Toyotas and blame unexplained acceleration. Now, its window switches that catch fire.....the domestics have that problem along with to many other problems to list. NEXT!!!!!!!!!!
Toyota is getting probed for fires. You use to many exclamation points.
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<quoted text>Toyota is getting probed for fires. You use to many exclamation points.
Volt is also underfire for fires. Domestics are under the microscope for sw. fires....And, just plain botched engineering! Get off my planet....and take all the lemons(domestic autos )with u!!!!!!Problem solved!
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<quoted text>Volt is also underfire for fires. Domestics are under the microscope for sw. fires....And, just plain botched engineering! Get off my planet....and take all the lemons(domestic autos )with u!!!!!!Problem solved!
In addition tio the Volt fire issue, here are just a few similar issues ongoing.........

DETROIT - As many as 5.1 million sport-utility vehicles made by Chrysler Group LLC, the carmaker run by Fiat SpA (F), will get closer scrutiny from U.S. regulators looking into about two dozen reports of fires after rear-impact crashes. The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration upgraded a preliminary investigation of Jeep Grand Cherokees and added Jeep Cherokee and Jeep Liberty models with fuel tanks behind the rear axle to an engineering analysis, the agency said today in a website posting. Fires related to rear-impact crashes in the Grand Cherokees may have caused at least 15 deaths and 46 injuries, the regulator said.

YAHOO NEWS Ė Ford is recalling more than a million pickup trucks because their gas tanks can fall off and cause fires. The recall, announced Monday, covers 1.1 million F-150, F-250 and Lincoln Blackwood pickups. The models involved were sold in cold-weather states where road salt can cause straps metal straps holding up the tanks to rust. If the straps break, the tanks can hit the ground, rupture and catch fire.

WASHINGTON ó General Motors Co. said it was recalling about 1.5 million vehicles worldwide to address a problem with a heated windshield wiper fluid system that could lead to a fire, its second recall over the issue in two years. The recall affects several pickup trucks, sport utility vehicles, crossovers and passenger car models from the 2006 to 2009 model years. GM conducted a similar recall in 2008 but came across new reports of fires in vehicles that had been fixed.
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Truth Be Told wrote:
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In addition tio the Volt fire issue, here are just a few similar issues ongoing.........
DETROIT - As many as 5.1 million sport-utility vehicles made by Chrysler Group LLC, the carmaker run by Fiat SpA (F), will get closer scrutiny from U.S. regulators looking into about two dozen reports of fires after rear-impact crashes. The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration upgraded a preliminary investigation of Jeep Grand Cherokees and added Jeep Cherokee and Jeep Liberty models with fuel tanks behind the rear axle to an engineering analysis, the agency said today in a website posting. Fires related to rear-impact crashes in the Grand Cherokees may have caused at least 15 deaths and 46 injuries, the regulator said.
YAHOO NEWS Ė Ford is recalling more than a million pickup trucks because their gas tanks can fall off and cause fires. The recall, announced Monday, covers 1.1 million F-150, F-250 and Lincoln Blackwood pickups. The models involved were sold in cold-weather states where road salt can cause straps metal straps holding up the tanks to rust. If the straps break, the tanks can hit the ground, rupture and catch fire.
WASHINGTON ó General Motors Co. said it was recalling about 1.5 million vehicles worldwide to address a problem with a heated windshield wiper fluid system that could lead to a fire, its second recall over the issue in two years. The recall affects several pickup trucks, sport utility vehicles, crossovers and passenger car models from the 2006 to 2009 model years. GM conducted a similar recall in 2008 but came across new reports of fires in vehicles that had been fixed.
My son has an old beater(2001?) F150 that was recently recalled for the gas tank straps. Turned out, for whatever reason, the dealer wound up replacing the gas tank as well as the straps.
Also, I vaguely recall GM "fixing" the wiper fluid problem by disconnecting the whole thing. And they found problems on the disconnected system?
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Holy Ghost wrote:
<quoted text>Volt is also underfire for fires. Domestics are under the microscope for sw. fires....And, just plain botched engineering! Get off my planet....and take all the lemons(domestic autos )with u!!!!!!Problem solved!
Wrong

Volt is not under fire for anything.
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In addition tio the Volt fire issue, here are just a few similar issues ongoing.........
DETROIT - As many as 5.1 million sport-utility vehicles made by Chrysler Group LLC, the carmaker run by Fiat SpA (F), will get closer scrutiny from U.S. regulators looking into about two dozen reports of fires after rear-impact crashes. The U.S. National Highway Traffic Safety Administration upgraded a preliminary investigation of Jeep Grand Cherokees and added Jeep Cherokee and Jeep Liberty models with fuel tanks behind the rear axle to an engineering analysis, the agency said today in a website posting. Fires related to rear-impact crashes in the Grand Cherokees may have caused at least 15 deaths and 46 injuries, the regulator said.
YAHOO NEWS Ė Ford is recalling more than a million pickup trucks because their gas tanks can fall off and cause fires. The recall, announced Monday, covers 1.1 million F-150, F-250 and Lincoln Blackwood pickups. The models involved were sold in cold-weather states where road salt can cause straps metal straps holding up the tanks to rust. If the straps break, the tanks can hit the ground, rupture and catch fire.
WASHINGTON ó General Motors Co. said it was recalling about 1.5 million vehicles worldwide to address a problem with a heated windshield wiper fluid system that could lead to a fire, its second recall over the issue in two years. The recall affects several pickup trucks, sport utility vehicles, crossovers and passenger car models from the 2006 to 2009 model years. GM conducted a similar recall in 2008 but came across new reports of fires in vehicles that had been fixed.
Why didn't you mention the Toyota fire probes?
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Sadly, the truth is rarely heard here.
Funny how some are always asking for it but when they get it they donít believe it because itís not the truth they want to hear.
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Sadly, the truth is rarely heard here.
Funny how some are always asking for it but when they get it they donít believe it because itís not the truth they want to hear.
I asked you a simple question. Why didn't you mention the Toyota fire probes?
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Root wrote:
<quoted text>I asked you a simple question. Why didn't you mention the Toyota fire probes?
I really don't have time for your trolling today.
Please continue your trolling some other time.
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Root wrote:
<quoted text>I asked you a simple question. Why didn't you mention the Toyota fire probes?
{probably} because it makes him look biased and unfair. That is an agenda.
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<quoted text>{probably} because it makes him look biased and unfair. That is an agenda.
We really don't have time for your trolling today.
Please continue your trolling some other time.
Thank you.

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