Methadone, how long does it take to detox?

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Big pauly the great wrote:

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Some people like to suffer , I guess those people could quit wd, and start again. Je je. I swear there's people who crave pain m suffering.

EXmethadone wrote:

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Thanks SBH, I prefer not to consider narcotic addiction a disease, but instead a condition inevitable with the long term constant use of opium or any narcotic drug. I consider my penchant for opium to be an acquired taste for a delicious but poisonous fruit I willingly plucked from the tree of knowledge. A very adult vice that comes with a price tag.
Kicking is agony followed by misery. So it goes. This is old news. Centuries and millennia old news in some cultures.
And all mainstream perspectives of opium and chemical narcotic using are colored by the belief that the act of using a narcotic for pleasure is evil.
One who exercises the utmost restraint and tries it once or uses occasionally is a criminal. Those who use with abandon are sick. Suffering from a disease over which they are powerless.
Either way, heads I win, tails you lose.
High rates of addiction to drugs legal or illegal are more of a reflection of a culture than a reflection of the inherent danger of any particular drug. Though "dumping" new and powerful drugs on an unwitting culture doing well otherwise can have tragic effects. Like "Injuns" and "fire water" or maybe North Americans and oxycontin.
Purdue Pharma has that good ol' pioneer spirit.
We're all serfs here. Big pharma are chemical colonialists.:-)
In medicalizing the state of addiction as "disease" the addict makes a pact with dominant culture to accept a "sick" role over a "criminal" role in which most narcotic users are in fundamental disagreement with. Don't tell the judge this.
"What we have here is a failure to communicate".
When I first tried heroin and then opium as a teenager I knew I was violating a taboo that was prevalent even in the "drug culture".
And I knew and accepted that withdrawal sickness was the price to be paid for prolonged using of drugs.
It was an informed, if unwise choice I made with eyes wide open.
But I'm deviant or esoteric in my tastes in general. There will always be some people like me who make that unwise choice.
The effects of the drug laws took a far greater toll on me than the "disease" of addiction. Financially through accepting black market "exploitation", a felony (framed) petty possession conviction, and the gift that keeps on giving, HCV.
The taboo against heroin did not extend to oxy. And a new generation of addicts emerged in apparent ignorance of the nature of narcotic addiction. Most oxy addicts I spoke to told me that they never would have tried heroin. Yet they became addicted to oxy.
Medical ineptitude and the corrupting effect inherent to black market profit margins fueled the rise of oxy and other pharmaceutical drugs.
I believe it better for me to think of addiction as a condition that is ended with prolonged abstinence. I accept the price tag.
I would never leave a happy marriage. But a painful divorce or split and finally freedom is better than a loveless marriage or sick relationship.

scared but hopeful wrote:

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W-O-W :)
I have to get ready for work and I just couldn't stop reading!! Very interesting Ex, thank you..
So, you say it is not a disease, what do you say to the physical changes in our body, caused from opiate/drug use? Since I do go to a clinic, I of course have to see a counselor once a month. She shows me endless upon endless info. of the human brain, actual images of the effects on the body, and then the whole mental illness that comes along with it.. I'll be honest, this is what leads me to believe in the "disease"..
What you say, I feel is right on.. Just curious on your thoughts, since they fascinate me so ;)

Big pauly the great wrote:

I am taking 2 norco 10/325 everyday now,, am I going to be ok???

EXmethadone wrote:

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All drugs and medicines, plant or chemical are poison. Even tea, which appears to be beneficial to health. Full time medicine to the Chinese.
But poison is not disease. No one takes influenza or smallpox for pleasure. No one enjoys cancer.
Cigarette smoking causes deadly diseases to appear in the body. A side effect of smoking. But smoking is not a "disease". Just an indulgence of taking poison.
For everyone who killed themselves using drugs, this indulgence was as pernicious as disease in the end.
But not everyone kills themselves.
Some people bring up "social Darwinism" in discussions regarding those who are self destructive in their drug using. Social Darwinism has nothing to do with Darwinism as the process and rational explanation for the historic fact of organic evolution.
This is a perversion of the term "Darwinism" that has been used to justify racism, class structure, imperialism and predatory capitalism. This term serves only elites, oligarchies and authoritarian regimes.
With opium addiction, the effects on the body are not beneficial but neither are they inherently deadly. Opium smokers and narcotics addicts can live long and productive lives. Depending on the individual user and many other factors.
The disease of mental illness in the form of biochemical imbalance is generally temporary and reversible in time with abstinence from the drug.

martin wrote:

i hav been on a 150ml,dose 4 5yrs.i went cold 4 days ago feel really bad ,cramps sweats,barely slept.how much longer 4 these severe symtoms?

David from KY wrote:

I was on 80 mg of methadone for 3 years, I quit Jan.9th and I still feel bad, but im finally getting some sleep. I hurt in places I didnt know would hurt, but it was the best thing I have ever done. I will now knock the methadone, but I feel like if they are going to have clinics they should not let people get over a certain mg, because its the hardest thing to come off of!

jim wrote:

I failed to mention that your Methadone WD's description was identical to my oxy WD's...sorry bout that. The sneezing, toilet, no sleep, can't stay still. Any advice with how to ease the misery of WD. I learned after the fact that neurontin and lyrica can help...do you know first hand? I can handle any pain imaginable but I dread the mental aspects and the sensation of coming out of my own skin...that feeling is worse than any pain I know.

jim wrote:

I failed to mention that your Methadone WD's description was identical to my oxy WD's...sorry bout that. The sneezing, toilet, no sleep, can't stay still. Any advice with how to ease the misery of WD. I learned after the fact that neurontin and lyrica can help...do you know first hand? I can handle any pain imaginable but I dread the mental aspects and the sensation of coming out of my own skin...that feeling is worse than any pain I know.