Hi AB I got my Vitadone pills

Hi Ab I finally recieved my Vitadont tablets yesterday and will start taking them as of today..I am on 3mg os the Sub now and continuing to taper around every 4/5 days depending on wether I'm stable or not, but in saying that I still wake up feeling a little sweaty and 'toey' each and every morning just about so I don't think I've been fully stable on this stuff at anytime since I've been on it. PlusI don't really want to use it for a stabilizer thats what the Methadone was for and look How long I ended up staying on that..How are you doing AB, are you still taking your Vitadone???? Cheers Suz

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Hi Ab I finally recieved my Vitadont tablets yesterday and will start taking them as of today..I am on 3mg os the Sub now and continuing to taper around every 4/5 days depending on wether I'm stable or not, but in saying that I still wake up feeling a little sweaty and 'toey' each and every morning just about so I don't think I've been fully stable on this stuff at anytime since I've been on it. PlusI don't really want to use it for a stabilizer thats what the Methadone was for and look How long I ended up staying on that..How are you doing AB, are you still taking your Vitadone???? Cheers Suz

Hi Suz, funny I was thinking about you and wondering about just the things you've answered... before I've even asked:) You must be psycho.. errr, I mean psychic.

Yes, I usually take three every day. Sometimes I miss a dose but not to often. They've made a difference for me and I hope they do for you as well. Glad the customs folks didn't decide to try them for themselves.

I don't know anything about tapering Sub. Only that there isn't the long half life situation of M. I do understand you not wanting to get to comfortable with it. What does the doc say about how fast or slow you should go?

I would think that you might want to stay at the final does a little longer before you stop completely, but again I'm guessing. Is there a Suboxone/Subutex thread? There must be one and maybe that kind of info can be found there. I should look for myself I suppose.

Everything is good here. Oh, I can find things to complain about but, what's the point? I can't change the weather or human behavior. Ha!

I'm glad you're doing alright and not in to much discomfort. I'll need to do some research and learn more about Sub. The questions come up more and more and I'm kind of a dunce there.

Take care and keep in touch. My best, AB

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Hi Suz, funny I was thinking about you and wondering about just the things you've answered... before I've even asked:) You must be psycho.. errr, I mean psychic.
Yes, I usually take three every day. Sometimes I miss a dose but not to often. They've made a difference for me and I hope they do for you as well. Glad the customs folks didn't decide to try them for themselves.
I don't know anything about tapering Sub. Only that there isn't the long half life situation of M. I do understand you not wanting to get to comfortable with it. What does the doc say about how fast or slow you should go?
I would think that you might want to stay at the final does a little longer before you stop completely, but again I'm guessing. Is there a Suboxone/Subutex thread? There must be one and maybe that kind of info can be found there. I should look for myself I suppose.
Everything is good here. Oh, I can find things to complain about but, what's the point? I can't change the weather or human behavior. Ha!
I'm glad you're doing alright and not in to much discomfort. I'll need to do some research and learn more about Sub. The questions come up more and more and I'm kind of a dunce there.
Take care and keep in touch. My best, AB

Hi AB, how are you?? Well I'm down to 2.25mg of the Sub and finding the lower dose better, although I'm gonna sit on this till I feel a little more stable then reduce again..I 've been taking the Vitadone for about a week now and just started on one a day to begin with and prob will start taking 2 a day from tomorrow and see how that goes. I think it has made me feel better I've got a fair bit going on so it's a bit hard to be definitive about any thing at present.
But I'm still moving forward and keen to be free of it all, I'm getting a few doubtful periods and some despair but I talk myself through that and deal with it when it arises..
So that is where I am at the moment, I hope you are well and it's not getting too cold for you over there yet. It's pretty darn hot today where i am..and it's only spring time I hope this is not an indication of what summer is gonna be like.
Gegards Suzy

Hi Suz, I was thinking of you yesterday and hoping all was going well, so I'm glad you wrote and to hear how you're moving along. Progress can come a little slower than we wish, but I've found slow and steady to be the preferable route.

Glad to hear the Vitadone might be helping to. It's hard to evaluate just what a vitamin is doing but I've had a noticeable energy increase since I've been using them. Is it all the vitamin? I really can't be positive since I've made other changes in my diet at the same time, but within days of starting them I noticed that although I still like my sweets, I get satisfied. I've lost a few pounds to and I'm thrilled with that.

Yes it's cool here now. I went out earlier this evening and my car had a light dusting of snow. I live at about 650', just out of Portland OR. and snow is fairly unusual here, especially this early in the year. I read the new climate report that's just out and if it's right, we can all expect the unusual because of climate change and warming. That may mean you're in for another hotter than usual summer. I just hope you don't have a repeat of the fires you had there.

Please let my now of your progress and if you think the Vitadone is helping. The post charges must be high though, so I wonder if there's anything comparable made there. I was thinking that if you take the bottle into a health food store they might have nearly the same thing. Worth looking into maybe.

Take care and be well, Al

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Hi Suz, I was thinking of you yesterday and hoping all was going well, so I'm glad you wrote and to hear how you're moving along. Progress can come a little slower than we wish, but I've found slow and steady to be the preferable route.
Glad to hear the Vitadone might be helping to. It's hard to evaluate just what a vitamin is doing but I've had a noticeable energy increase since I've been using them. Is it all the vitamin? I really can't be positive since I've made other changes in my diet at the same time, but within days of starting them I noticed that although I still like my sweets, I get satisfied. I've lost a few pounds to and I'm thrilled with that.
Yes it's cool here now. I went out earlier this evening and my car had a light dusting of snow. I live at about 650', just out of Portland OR. and snow is fairly unusual here, especially this early in the year. I read the new climate report that's just out and if it's right, we can all expect the unusual because of climate change and warming. That may mean you're in for another hotter than usual summer. I just hope you don't have a repeat of the fires you had there.
Please let my now of your progress and if you think the Vitadone is helping. The post charges must be high though, so I wonder if there's anything comparable made there. I was thinking that if you take the bottle into a health food store they might have nearly the same thing. Worth looking into maybe.
Take care and be well, Al

Hi AB, well I'm now on 2mg of Sub and doing fine, still taking the vitadone (one per day) and I think it's helping with my energy levels.
As for the weather here hmmm it is all over the place. We've had rain and cool temps for 8 days straight and prior to that we had a few stinking hot days,36 degrees don't know what that equals in farenheit but it's pretty darn hot! The sun is trying to come out today and it's humid because of all the rain so climate change as you mentioned is in effect.
I feel really good about the progress I've made so far and am still feeling positive about the whole process of weaning my way down and being totally clean again. I've been in touch with some other people that have done what I am doing and the advice is very encouraging and positive they were all long term users of Methadone and all agree that Sub is easier to withdraw from.
The piper will still have to be paid at some point but it should be much gentler if I do it correctly. I need to stay strong in my mind and I am working on that each day now that my mind is actually alot clearer it helps the process dramatically.
How are you doing AB? Cheers Suz ;-)

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Hi AB, well I'm now on 2mg of Sub and doing fine, still taking the vitadone (one per day) and I think it's helping with my energy levels.
As for the weather here hmmm it is all over the place. We've had rain and cool temps for 8 days straight and prior to that we had a few stinking hot days,36 degrees don't know what that equals in farenheit but it's pretty darn hot! The sun is trying to come out today and it's humid because of all the rain so climate change as you mentioned is in effect.
I feel really good about the progress I've made so far and am still feeling positive about the whole process of weaning my way down and being totally clean again. I've been in touch with some other people that have done what I am doing and the advice is very encouraging and positive they were all long term users of Methadone and all agree that Sub is easier to withdraw from.
The piper will still have to be paid at some point but it should be much gentler if I do it correctly. I need to stay strong in my mind and I am working on that each day now that my mind is actually alot clearer it helps the process dramatically.
How are you doing AB? Cheers Suz ;-)

There's no question about paying the piper. Hi Suz. Just don't pay more than you need to. I'm glad this is going so well for you. It sounds like tapering M was for me... the second time.

I wonder if any energy boost is from the Vitadone, or from finding tapering the Sub so easy? Something is reducing your stress, and that's great, no matter what it is.

36*C is about 97 or 98 fahrenheit, plenty HOT. It's especially bad when it comes on quickly and after it's much cooler, pretty unbearable! It's been cool and wet here. No snow since just a trace a week ago. Plenty in the mountains though, and that's where it's welcome to stay. Glad to live where we get it little and seldom:) We see it all around us though because the mountains are so close by.

Keep up the good work, Suz. Hey, Seasons Greetings from where Christmas is cold, and sometimes white, AB

PS. It's hard for me to imagine The Holiday Season being warm, maybe hot. Why, it seems so foreign to me. Hehe:)

Hi AB... well it's become a little tougher for me this week. I've dropped to 1.75mg and felt it especially in the mornings, my hips and back are playing up but I am determined to kick on and keep going with it..
You wouldn't know it was summer here it is wet and 19 degrees it's so outta whack but thats how it goes these days hey??
How are you going??
Regards Suzy

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Hi AB... well it's become a little tougher for me this week. I've dropped to 1.75mg and felt it especially in the mornings, my hips and back are playing up but I am determined to kick on and keep going with it..
You wouldn't know it was summer here it is wet and 19 degrees it's so outta whack but thats how it goes these days hey??
How are you going??
Regards Suzy

Hi Suzy, Saw your post yesterday but was in the middle of a head splitting headache. One of those that makes you squint to see, and that a little light is blinding. Much better today though, I can bang the keys without pain to the noggin.

Feeling the drops is something I'd expect, Suz. Back pain is pretty common with any opiate detox too. If this is at all like methadone detox, I'd expect you'll to feel better in a couple days. I always had a day or two that I'd feel off after each drop of the M. I wouldn't usually feel it until about three days after the drop. Sub doesn't have the long half life of M, so I'd think you would feel the difference sooner.

Wondering how your energy levels are holding up? Big complaint of M is usually very low energy. I hope it's better with Sub, and I'm looking forward to your comments.

It's been real foggy here for a few days. Today the sun is out but it's still hazy too. Low 50's and high 40's here, that's about 7* to 12* to you. Balmy.... for this time of year. It won't begin to warm before March. Last year it wasn't until May that it warmed up a little. This is a pretty mild climate zone. Just a few days below freezing in winter, and it seldom stays hot for long but we do get a day or two that it gets to over 100*F/37.5*C. Writing with people all over the world has helped me convert C to F pretty easily now. I still like what I grew up with though. With the F scale I don't need to think about it any.

When do you expect your next drop to be? Are you trying to do them at regular intervals? Are you dropping .25 mgs at each drop? I honestly don't know much about the Suboxone or Subutex. Some of what I've read has been conflicting too.

Hoping all continues to go reasonably well, Suzy. Keep me posted, Al

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Hi Suzy, Saw your post yesterday but was in the middle of a head splitting headache. One of those that makes you squint to see, and that a little light is blinding. Much better today though, I can bang the keys without pain to the noggin.
Feeling the drops is something I'd expect, Suz. Back pain is pretty common with any opiate detox too. If this is at all like methadone detox, I'd expect you'll to feel better in a couple days. I always had a day or two that I'd feel off after each drop of the M. I wouldn't usually feel it until about three days after the drop. Sub doesn't have the long half life of M, so I'd think you would feel the difference sooner.
Wondering how your energy levels are holding up? Big complaint of M is usually very low energy. I hope it's better with Sub, and I'm looking forward to your comments.
It's been real foggy here for a few days. Today the sun is out but it's still hazy too. Low 50's and high 40's here, that's about 7* to 12* to you. Balmy.... for this time of year. It won't begin to warm before March. Last year it wasn't until May that it warmed up a little. This is a pretty mild climate zone. Just a few days below freezing in winter, and it seldom stays hot for long but we do get a day or two that it gets to over 100*F/37.5*C. Writing with people all over the world has helped me convert C to F pretty easily now. I still like what I grew up with though. With the F scale I don't need to think about it any.
When do you expect your next drop to be? Are you trying to do them at regular intervals? Are you dropping .25 mgs at each drop? I honestly don't know much about the Suboxone or Subutex. Some of what I've read has been conflicting too.
Hoping all continues to go reasonably well, Suzy. Keep me posted, Al

Hi AB, Well I've gone down to 1.04mg and feeling ok... still feeling a bit toey in the mornings before my dose, nothing I haven't dealt with before whilst on the Methadone. I'd get toey on that too if I left it too long in between doses I'd get yawny, sweaty go into my shell, you know the drill..But I find it's a bit different with the Sub I get sweaty but not as much as the Meth and when I wake up it's pretty much bang your sniffly then and there but once I get up and around that subsides some what. I have a few aches and pains but it's one particular craving my body goes through thats the most bothersome symptom...I think it's a bit more intense then the Meth but not as bad if that makes any sense, It comes in waves I'll probabely feel it more as I come down and will be able to explain it better...gonna post then continue on

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Hi AB, Well I've gone down to 1.04mg and feeling ok... still feeling a bit toey in the mornings before my dose, nothing I haven't dealt with before whilst on the Methadone. I'd get toey on that too if I left it too long in between doses I'd get yawny, sweaty go into my shell, you know the drill..But I find it's a bit different with the Sub I get sweaty but not as much as the Meth and when I wake up it's pretty much bang your sniffly then and there but once I get up and around that subsides some what. I have a few aches and pains but it's one particular craving my body goes through thats the most bothersome symptom...I think it's a bit more intense then the Meth but not as bad if that makes any sense, It comes in waves I'll probabely feel it more as I come down and will be able to explain it better...gonna post then continue on

I'm not use to measurements like that. 1.04? What will it be at the next level?

Odd being here at the same time. I was just writing and looking and there you are. This thing isn't dependable like instant messaging though. If ya wait for a reply, it may come in a few minutes or.... a few hours.

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Hi Suzy, Saw your post yesterday but was in the middle of a head splitting headache. One of those that makes you squint to see, and that a little light is blinding. Much better today though, I can bang the keys without pain to the noggin.
Feeling the drops is something I'd expect, Suz. Back pain is pretty common with any opiate detox too. If this is at all like methadone detox, I'd expect you'll to feel better in a couple days. I always had a day or two that I'd feel off after each drop of the M. I wouldn't usually feel it until about three days after the drop. Sub doesn't have the long half life of M, so I'd think you would feel the difference sooner.
Wondering how your energy levels are holding up? Big complaint of M is usually very low energy. I hope it's better with Sub, and I'm looking forward to your comments.
It's been real foggy here for a few days. Today the sun is out but it's still hazy too. Low 50's and high 40's here, that's about 7* to 12* to you. Balmy.... for this time of year. It won't begin to warm before March. Last year it wasn't until May that it warmed up a little. This is a pretty mild climate zone. Just a few days below freezing in winter, and it seldom stays hot for long but we do get a day or two that it gets to over 100*F/37.5*C. Writing with people all over the world has helped me convert C to F pretty easily now. I still like what I grew up with though. With the F scale I don't need to think about it any.
When do you expect your next drop to be? Are you trying to do them at regular intervals? Are you dropping .25 mgs at each drop? I honestly don't know much about the Suboxone or Subutex. Some of what I've read has been conflicting too.
Hoping all continues to go reasonably well, Suzy. Keep me posted, Al

Okay had to post before it timed out, I'm running back and forth between the computer and laundry anyway I digress...
As far as decreasing I'm doing it around the 25% mark but not spot on. It's too time consuming chopping the pills up, although I will be doing that when it gets to the nitty gritty and making little piles for myself.
I'm thinking of having time off work at the end for a few weeks but I don't know for sure yet. And as far as the regular intervals I'm letting my body decide that. It was 5 or 6 days before I felt the drop to 1.75 so thats it it my body is my gauge if I get impatient and drop too soon I could stuff it up and I do not want to start again. I've seen it happen a few times with others on another forum and they just put themselves back in the whole process.
This drug Sub is quite complex and I've been learning a fair bit about it so from all the info I've garnered my opinion is that slowe and steady wins the race, similar could be said for the Methadone but it just wasn't happening for me as you know.
Anyway I'll be back for the next instalment soon ;-)It's still grey and wet over here we've got a little sun trying to poke it's head out this arvo so that'll probabely bring on the humidity...Yay more sweating!!! No its not that bad...gotta have a joke now and then it feels good!!
I hope your not suffering from too many of those wretched headaches we can do without those hey Ab....Thanks for staying with me through this, sincerely Suz

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Odd being here at the same time. I was just writing and looking and there you are. This thing isn't dependable like instant messaging though. If ya wait for a reply, it may come in a few minutes or.... a few hours.

Hello hello I just caught your post..
The dose I'm taking is a 1mg pill and a 1x .04mg pill so it's basically just under 1.5mg.
My next drop will be to just a smidgen over 1mg so I'll have to shave a little sliver off the .04 pill and gauge it to the best of my ability..
It's just past 3pm in the arvo here.
I might try and make myself get a walk in before the rain comes back.
Good to catch up with you and yes it would be good to have instant messaging..Suz

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Okay had to post before it timed out, I'm running back and forth between the computer and laundry anyway I digress...
As far as decreasing I'm doing it around the 25% mark but not spot on. It's too time consuming chopping the pills up, although I will be doing that when it gets to the nitty gritty and making little piles for myself.
I'm thinking of having time off work at the end for a few weeks but I don't know for sure yet. And as far as the regular intervals I'm letting my body decide that. It was 5 or 6 days before I felt the drop to 1.75 so thats it it my body is my gauge if I get impatient and drop too soon I could stuff it up and I do not want to start again. I've seen it happen a few times with others on another forum and they just put themselves back in the whole process.
This drug Sub is quite complex and I've been learning a fair bit about it so from all the info I've garnered my opinion is that slowe and steady wins the race, similar could be said for the Methadone but it just wasn't happening for me as you know.
Anyway I'll be back for the next instalment soon ;-)It's still grey and wet over here we've got a little sun trying to poke it's head out this arvo so that'll probabely bring on the humidity...Yay more sweating!!! No its not that bad...gotta have a joke now and then it feels good!!
I hope your not suffering from too many of those wretched headaches we can do without those hey Ab....Thanks for staying with me through this, sincerely Suz

No headaches for a few days now. Thanks for asking. They don't really come often, I don't remember the last time I had one like it.

You're right about slow and steady. Even with a regular schedule ya need to be able and willing to stop if the body tells you to.

Is there a Sub Forum here on Topix? I haven't found it but there must be one. I'd like to know a bit more about it. I know a bit about M, but really nothing about Sub.

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Hello hello I just caught your post..
The dose I'm taking is a 1mg pill and a 1x .04mg pill so it's basically just under 1.5mg.
My next drop will be to just a smidgen over 1mg so I'll have to shave a little sliver off the .04 pill and gauge it to the best of my ability..
It's just past 3pm in the arvo here.
I might try and make myself get a walk in before the rain comes back.
Good to catch up with you and yes it would be good to have instant messaging..Suz

8:30 PM here. Your math is off a little Suzy, 1.04 isn't nearly 1.5, it's nearly 1.05. That's a lot less and if you dropped from 1.75, I think that might be a good sized drop, almost .75 mgs. Are the small pills .4 or .04? See, I really don't know.

It's been foggy here but today was clear and sunny. Cold though, about 4*C and freezing over night. Only about 13 days and we'll get a little more daylight everyday and you'll get a little less. Seems weird that it gets colder as the days start getting longer, or the other way round too.

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8:30 PM here. Your math is off a little Suzy, 1.04 isn't nearly 1.5, it's nearly 1.05. That's a lot less and if you dropped from 1.75, I think that might be a good sized drop, almost .75 mgs. Are the small pills .4 or .04? See, I really don't know.
It's been foggy here but today was clear and sunny. Cold though, about 4*C and freezing over night. Only about 13 days and we'll get a little more daylight everyday and you'll get a little less. Seems weird that it gets colder as the days start getting longer, or the other way round too.

Hi again Ab..I know it's confusing regarding the pills. I never really know how to explain the dosage as there are so many different takes on it especially when you go reading around the net and then throw in the percentages and I'm all over the place.
I cut a 2mg pill in half that equals 1mg then I take a .04mg pill. I hope your right , I'd be pleased if that was the case that I'm on lower cause I feel pretty good but I'll ask the chemist on Monday to explain it better to me in laymans terms.
I wish I was better with maths but not too worry.. I'll let you know what I come up with ;-)

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Hi again Ab..I know it's confusing regarding the pills. I never really know how to explain the dosage as there are so many different takes on it especially when you go reading around the net and then throw in the percentages and I'm all over the place.
I cut a 2mg pill in half that equals 1mg then I take a .04mg pill. I hope your right , I'd be pleased if that was the case that I'm on lower cause I feel pretty good but I'll ask the chemist on Monday to explain it better to me in laymans terms.
I wish I was better with maths but not too worry.. I'll let you know what I come up with ;-)

Hi Suzy, Hey you mentioned percentages. There must be a recommended rate of taper for Sub, like there is for M, do you know what that is?

If there is one and you know about it, it'll likely work pretty well. Most people that stay close to the recommendations for M, don't have a very hard time.

Freezing fog here most of the day. It looks pretty though, everything has a frosted appearance.

I'll look for your post. Thanx, Al

Hey Al How are you?? Okay the taper recommendation for the Subs is 25% every 4 days or so or until you stabilize but ofcourse it is different for everyone.
I had a rough day last Saturday, that was my 4th day after my reduction thats when it catches up. So I'm preparing myself for that 4th/5th day with each drop now as best I can.
I'm reducing again today I'm going from 1.4mg to 1.2mg it is not by the 25% but I'm doing it slower and slightly less reduction, which is also reccomended if you have been an extra long time addict and of course the big thing is listening to your body and thats pretty much my guage particularly now that I'm getting to the lower doses. I sleep ok most nights but as soon as I open my eyes I'm yawny a little sweaty and now a bit of rls that I'm craving my dose...but I'm not having it earlier then usual I make myself hold off till at least 10am.
Those pills I mentioned the .04mg ones are in fact .4mg it's just the way they label them so It was 1.4mg that I was on and as I said today I will reduce to 1.2mg
It's easier for me too like that because now I can have 2x .4mg in the am and 1x .4mg in the evening.
Not really summer over here yet we've still got grey skies rain and 20% temps and they say it'll most likely rain for some of chrissy day. Well at least our dams are getting filled up they were right down for the last few years and alot of states were on water restrictions so it has it's plus side.
Look forward to hearing from you, Suzy ;-)

Hi Suzy, I kind of thought that you were going to say that it was .4 rather than .04 mgs. I imagine it's written as 0.4 so that can be confusing if you're not use to seeing it.

I was surprised, however, that it takes several days for you to feel the effect of each drop. That made me go find a half life chart. Another surprise. Buprenorphine, the opiate in Sub has a pretty long chemical half life, 24 to 60 hrs. I didn't know that. I'm going to have to do the reading I've been putting off.

You'd have the same sort of delay from tapering M. I usually felt the drop on day three. As my dose got very low though, I began feeling the effect sooner. Around 5 mgs, I'd feel it the following day. I expect you'll notice the same thing but maybe 2 days out, because the half life of Sub can be slight longer than M, and your metabolism might be a little slower than mine as well. I don't know enough about it either, to say at what dose level you'll notice.

It's been beautiful here for the last two days. Cold in the mornings tho'. It's been frosty when I wake up and doesn't start warming until around 10 AM. Warming... all the way to 42*F today, that's about 5* to you, so plenty chilly.

I had to look at your latitude to have an idea if 20* would be cool for the time of year. You're quite a bit closer to the equator than I am. 33* south latitude there, and I'm at 45* north here. In mid May here (that corresponds to mid Dec there) it would be around 60 to 70*F, 15 to 21*C, but we'd only get a few days close to 20*. It's usually July before we can count on days being much over 20*. Late July and August is usually in the mid 80's/27ish C. It's rare that it goes over 100* here, 37* to you. We might have 2 to 4 days that it gets that hot. Usually the humidity is pretty low when it gets hot, so it's not to uncomfortable usually.

My best friend lives in Bangkok. He had to leave for more than a month because of flooding. Very rare there, so the weather is screwy everywhere. It's probably something we need to get use to now though.

I'm close to being timed out. More later, Al

ABC, so u can sell your pills illegally here but if anyone else tries to you report them to the topix in hopes they call the cops? now thats not very nice..its looks like imma have to do the same thing :(...but i wouldnt do that now....because im no snitch