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Tuesday Nov 10
 
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Some, such as this druggies poster have no clue as to what they are talking about. It just seems that they want an argument.
i agree, it can be frustrating but there might be some valid questions out there from people who are thinking of going into treatment and if we can amswer them now, they have a better chance of success.
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around here they dont give methadone in jail, i have spoken to several addicts who use methadone clinics they take the liquid spit it thru a straw into a cup and resale it also i was told all it takes to increase the dosage is to tell them its not enough they are still craving the drugs so it dont work they are still gettin high off it only instead of local drug dealer getting rich its the drug companies and the owners of the clinics, most claim it is the best high they ever had
i haven't heard of anyone spitting it through a straw and trying to sell it. that is just disgusting. really, who would buy someone else's spit? no one, that's who! you don't have your facts straight. also, to get increased on the methadone, yes, they have to tell the nurse that their dose isn't working. then, the doctor will order "bloodwork". they will then, take your blood, send if off, and test it for the level of methadone left in your system 24 hours after taking your dose. if the level is low, you will get increased, but if the level is not, you will stay the same. you really don't know anything about the clinic. you have a very unreliable source, and i wouldn't listen to everything i hear.
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Tuesday Nov 10
 
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take the methadone for year and try to get off it is hard to get off of them my son put me through hell and he almost die and see who will help you get off of them .you half to go out of town to get off and get help i thank god my son is doing better he is off of them but he half to go out of town to do iti pray that know one will take the drug and get hook on them i wish i can tell you more but i done think topix will let me i can tell you things you want believe what i went through plesae think it over(mother)
Thank's mom I'm sorry for all I've put you through!!!She has tried to post sevral deff times and I have to for some odd reson it dosn't go through.
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Tuesday Nov 10
 
Now Mugwah I have posted a few times and it just won't go through.They are a bunch of dumb people that post on here that know nothing about Methadone!!Were me and you Diff is I don't belive in long term MMT.After a year or so the other drug's or out of you're body and then you are a Methadone addict.
I know the dif in life from being on oxy's to Methadone or someother street drug.Although The whole reson is to be 100% drug free and that dosn't happen to often.Unless one break's free from the clinic.Now It's not the clinic's fault but aslong as a addict can get there drug's easyly and affordable they aren't going to stop.Also around here there aren't any places that will detox you off of Methadone.So then you are left in the clinic and you just go on and on never getting off of drug's.
As for getting Methadone in jail I don't know about that Alot of people that I have met that are sober today is becouse they detoxed in jail.I don't think now they would have it anyother way.One off my best friend's he told me if he hadn't spent those 2 year's in jail he wouldn't be sober today.
If the addict dosen't have any reson to stop useing drug's then they won't ever stop.So I belive for a short term MMT is helpfull although I think that Subutex Should be used instend of Methadone.Yes I know alot of people don't like it or belive that they can't take it.After it get's in you're body though it's as diff as night and day compared to Methadone.
I think that the Methadone clinics system should be overhauled.They should be more for leading the addict to be drug free.Instead of letting the addict be in charge.The addict that is in charge Isn't thinking clearly enough to know when to stop or change there thought's and actions.
AS you already know we as addict's hurt ourself more then anyone eles.If left up to the addict they will never be drug free.
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Tuesday Nov 10
 
I was ask to post on this topic by someone I love very much! I was in a very bad car accident in 85 and ended up addicted to opiates (pain pills) I was addicted 16 years then i got on methadone maintenance and was on it until six years ago I was up to a stable dose of 180mgs. a day the day came when I was ready to try life without methadone so I tapered slowly for one year til I was down to 10mgs daily and stayed there for months then to 5mgs. then 2.5mgs then knotta it was kinda rough the first 3 to four months without maintenance but life turned back to normal and I have been clean for 4 years now and never tempted to use drugs! If done rite with a good clinic and Dr. methadone does work with hard work I am living proof of that so done be so quick to condem it there are alot of people in Pulaski and surrounding countys that could benefit greatly from it and it is getting ready to be 2010 so grab this opportunity and run!
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well if you hadnt abused the drugs you were prescribed you wouldnt have had the drug problem in the first place, glad you are off them now, but if you want a clinic have them open one in columbia lord knows they need one over there drugs are worse there than here
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The only difference in heroin and methadone is one is at a clinic. Try to go without methadone and see the quality of your life. No different than a constant supply of heroin. Your still a slave to the drugs.
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The only difference in heroin and methadone is one is at a clinic. Try to go without methadone and see the quality of your life. No different than a constant supply of heroin. Your still a slave to the drugs.
You are so right if the dope man never ran out of dope and it was say 200.00 month people would be falling all over each other to get it.Oh sorry that sounded alot like the Methadone clinics!!!
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I was ask to post on this topic by someone I love very much! I was in a very bad car accident in 85 and ended up addicted to opiates (pain pills) I was addicted 16 years then i got on methadone maintenance and was on it until six years ago I was up to a stable dose of 180mgs. a day the day came when I was ready to try life without methadone so I tapered slowly for one year til I was down to 10mgs daily and stayed there for months then to 5mgs. then 2.5mgs then knotta it was kinda rough the first 3 to four months without maintenance but life turned back to normal and I have been clean for 4 years now and never tempted to use drugs! If done rite with a good clinic and Dr. methadone does work with hard work I am living proof of that so done be so quick to condem it there are alot of people in Pulaski and surrounding countys that could benefit greatly from it and it is getting ready to be 2010 so grab this opportunity and run!
That is great I have heard of only a handfull of cases were the person goes to a clinic and then comes out druefree.I have been saying this the whole time you were in MMT for 2 year's not five or six or even ten year's .That is were the problem lies is the addict need's to be incourage to get off and away from MMT.Yet if leaft up to the addict this most likely would never happen.As you said you had a taper plan you must have started to taper a year into being in the clinic and in two years you were drugfree.You must be a really strong and motivaded person.As this hardly ever happen's great to here a sucessfull story!!!
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I just wanted to post something's for the people that belive that all drug's should be legal.First there is 6 times the Homicides committed under the influance of drug's ,Most drug crimes aren't commited by people trying to get drug's it's commented by people on drug's
heart attack is 5 times more likely after in a hour after smoking marijjana.Also why would you want someone to have to live there lifes as a using addict?Also without drug's street drug's people wouldn't be as unhappy and the suicide rate would go down.When you are on drug's you have memorey loss ,distorted proception and you have inpared motor skills.
Wouldn't it be great if drug's was legal?We wuold have a great work force wouldn't we.In the year 2000 there were 15,852 death's due to drug's as with acohol 18,5539 death's just goes to show that if drug's were legal it would most likely over pass acohol death's.
There are people that are for the clinic but they are also for legal drug use. would you like to go to the doctor and get a script for Herion? That is what the big picture is the ones that own's clinc's also belive that all drug's should be legal.Now what due you think? Due you want treatment or just legalliss every drug including Herion? Please give you're take on this.ASP
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<quoted text>You are so right if the dope man never ran out of dope and it was say 200.00 month people would be falling all over each other to get it.Oh sorry that sounded alot like the Methadone clinics!!!
200.00/month, wow, that is cheap!(for the price of a clinic, especially for the whole month)Just another example of someone who doesn't know anything about methadone treatment! by the way, when you had your mom post, she let the cat out of the bad. she keep referring to the methadone pills that you were addicted to.lol
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Now Mugwah I have posted a few times and it just won't go through.They are a bunch of dumb people that post on here that know nothing about Methadone!!Were me and you Diff is I don't belive in long term MMT.After a year or so the other drug's or out of you're body and then you are a Methadone addict.
I know the dif in life from being on oxy's to Methadone or someother street drug.Although The whole reson is to be 100% drug free and that dosn't happen to often.Unless one break's free from the clinic.Now It's not the clinic's fault but aslong as a addict can get there drug's easyly and affordable they aren't going to stop.Also around here there aren't any places that will detox you off of Methadone.So then you are left in the clinic and you just go on and on never getting off of drug's.
As for getting Methadone in jail I don't know about that Alot of people that I have met that are sober today is becouse they detoxed in jail.I don't think now they would have it anyother way.One off my best friend's he told me if he hadn't spent those 2 year's in jail he wouldn't be sober today.
If the addict dosen't have any reson to stop useing drug's then they won't ever stop.So I belive for a short term MMT is helpfull although I think that Subutex Should be used instend of Methadone.Yes I know alot of people don't like it or belive that they can't take it.After it get's in you're body though it's as diff as night and day compared to Methadone.
I think that the Methadone clinics system should be overhauled.They should be more for leading the addict to be drug free.Instead of letting the addict be in charge.The addict that is in charge Isn't thinking clearly enough to know when to stop or change there thought's and actions.
AS you already know we as addict's hurt ourself more then anyone eles.If left up to the addict they will never be drug free.
i think you are still comparing US style programs to mine a canadian program. we have different understanding in what needs to be part of methadone "treatment". again our focus is to find the lowest apropriate dose for each client to function and increases very rarely happen here. piss tests happen daily and blood test happen at our dicresion. individual and group therapy is manditory and so is the case worker (someone like me, those lucky b^st^rds!) as fare as short term compared to long term, like i said, i would support anyones attempt to wean themselve off methadone (here we call it a "taper") and some people have been successful however studdies show that most of all tapers return to some form of substance use within the fist few months with a return to opiat use by most. i will try to track down the excact numbers but the point is tapers have a very low showing of success. as far as diversion or sharring or selling methadone here, like i said that is for the most part a myth the cops use to scare the unsuspecting uneducated public. our experience shows, backed up by stats that methadone is an efficient, cost effective and safe treatment for opiat addiction. we supply methadone in jail for our clients who were on treatment when they were busted because the detention centre here in town is against any kind of medical intervention for addiction while incarcerated and we had several clients go through some really life threatening experiences while in jail so we fought them very had for our clients right to continue established treatment durring periods of incarceration. again, in closing, we support any persons wishes to be drug free and i will do anything i can to help them achieve that goal icluding sitting with them and wipping up their vomit if that is what they need. i also go to my fair share of funerals for all my clients, methadone or not. i wish you continued success and i wish you well my friend.
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i think you are still comparing US style programs to mine a canadian program. we have different understanding in what needs to be part of methadone "treatment". again our focus is to find the lowest apropriate dose for each client to function and increases very rarely happen here. piss tests happen daily and blood test happen at our dicresion. individual and group therapy is manditory and so is the case worker (someone like me, those lucky b^st^rds!) as fare as short term compared to long term, like i said, i would support anyones attempt to wean themselve off methadone (here we call it a "taper") and some people have been successful however studdies show that most of all tapers return to some form of substance use within the fist few months with a return to opiat use by most. i will try to track down the excact numbers but the point is tapers have a very low showing of success. as far as diversion or sharring or selling methadone here, like i said that is for the most part a myth the cops use to scare the unsuspecting uneducated public. our experience shows, backed up by stats that methadone is an efficient, cost effective and safe treatment for opiat addiction. we supply methadone in jail for our clients who were on treatment when they were busted because the detention centre here in town is against any kind of medical intervention for addiction while incarcerated and we had several clients go through some really life threatening experiences while in jail so we fought them very had for our clients right to continue established treatment durring periods of incarceration. again, in closing, we support any persons wishes to be drug free and i will do anything i can to help them achieve that goal icluding sitting with them and wipping up their vomit if that is what they need. i also go to my fair share of funerals for all my clients, methadone or not. i wish you continued success and i wish you well my friend.
the methadone program here is very similar to yours. we have weekly urine tests, weekly counseling, and also blood work to test the level of methadone in a patients system 24 hours after dosing. that is the only was to get an increase here with the blood work. if it is a low level, you will get an increase, but if it is normal, you will stay where you are. if you fail a test with benzos (nerve pills), your dose will be cut in half, and will continue to decrease 5 mg. every other day, until your out. if you are able to produce a clean screen before you are out of the program you will get to move back up at a rate of 5 mg. every other day. if you stay dirty, you will be detoxed from the program. that is only if it is your first dirty benzo screen will that happen. if you get a second, you are completely detoxed out of the program. "noname" talks about the clinic methadone "liquid" being diverted, and on the street. that is completely false! you hear of drug busts all the time, and "never" do you find a dealer with liquid "clinic" methadone in their possession. there was a bust here recently, and again, there was no liquid methadone confiscated. yes, there was methadone found, but it was in tablet form, and came from a pharmacy, a doctor prescribed it, and did not come from a clinic.
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these are addicts we are talking about , they will sell their momma for a hit so they can get it out if they want to. these clinics do nothing for the addict except provide them with legal drugs, if the druggies really wants to quit they can they dont need methadone, the ones in the program enjoy gettin high and want to stay that way, if they kept them behind locked doors i wouldnt have a problem with it but they are out on the streets where they can harm someone
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Please Mr. druggies I really think you are getting a little exstream here arent you? I mean think of the worst thing in your life I dont care how bad or what it may be and I know you have something that is just tearing you up inside a fear of something that pounds at you everyday hour after hour so intense it makes you want to cry then now STOP just think there may be something and someone that is willing to help you with this HELP doesnt that help and relieve you?

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these are addicts we are talking about , they will sell their momma for a hit so they can get it out if they want to. these clinics do nothing for the addict except provide them with legal drugs, if the druggies really wants to quit they can they dont need methadone, the ones in the program enjoy gettin high and want to stay that way, if they kept them behind locked doors i wouldnt have a problem with it but they are out on the streets where they can harm someone
i want you to read the last couple of posts, really read them and then sit down and think about how little sense your post actually means. i am not tryin to be smart here, but what you just said has no relavence to what i wrote. again, THERE IS NO HIGH WITH PROPERLY PERSCRIBED METHADONE, NONE! people on methadone through a clinic are trying to get off drugs they are not looking for a high. people not on a program who take methadone can get high, they can also get dead. if you mix methadone with other drugs, especialy coke, you can get dead more often. i personally would not suggest it but people do it, some people live and some don't. ok, so think about it, what you have been saying for the last several days as far as i can see, has nothing to do with methadone programs that i know.

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Just say No wrote:
I just wanted to post something's for the people that belive that all drug's should be legal.First there is 6 times the Homicides committed under the influance of drug's ,Most drug crimes aren't commited by people trying to get drug's it's commented by people on drug's
heart attack is 5 times more likely after in a hour after smoking marijjana.Also why would you want someone to have to live there lifes as a using addict?Also without drug's street drug's people wouldn't be as unhappy and the suicide rate would go down.When you are on drug's you have memorey loss ,distorted proception and you have inpared motor skills.
Wouldn't it be great if drug's was legal?We wuold have a great work force wouldn't we.In the year 2000 there were 15,852 death's due to drug's as with acohol 18,5539 death's just goes to show that if drug's were legal it would most likely over pass acohol death's.
There are people that are for the clinic but they are also for legal drug use. would you like to go to the doctor and get a script for Herion? That is what the big picture is the ones that own's clinc's also belive that all drug's should be legal.Now what due you think? Due you want treatment or just legalliss every drug including Herion? Please give you're take on this.ASP
my take on what you have written is that it is absolute crap. there is not a single number you cite that is anywhere close to reality nor are any of your projected situations atr ever going to come even close to true. you would be a joke, if you weren't so dagerouse. you see, somebody as stupid as you are might just read you sh^t and believe it. you pass on misinformation and that in my opinion is more than dangerouse it is cruel so my a favour and just shut the f^^k up. ok? thank you. an no, i aint gonna apologise for this one either.
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my take on what you have written is that it is absolute crap. there is not a single number you cite that is anywhere close to reality nor are any of your projected situations atr ever going to come even close to true. you would be a joke, if you weren't so dagerouse. you see, somebody as stupid as you are might just read you sh^t and believe it. you pass on misinformation and that in my opinion is more than dangerouse it is cruel so my a favour and just shut the f^^k up. ok? thank you. an no, i aint gonna apologise for this one either.
Sounds to me like you really should reconsider your drug use,promotion, and use that time to learn to spell and talk properly! JMO!
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<quoted text>200.00/month, wow, that is cheap!(for the price of a clinic, especially for the whole month)Just another example of someone who doesn't know anything about methadone treatment! by the way, when you had your mom post, she let the cat out of the bad. she keep referring to the methadone pills that you were addicted to.lol
I'm so sorry that you're life really suck's Maybe if you got off of MMT you're life would get alot better.By the way my mother dosen't know the deff from pill form or liquid she is a old lady and she just know's what I went though.Also nowere did I ever see her say anything about a pill.You read thing's and then you change thing's to what you want them to say.Also or you stalking me or what?Why don't you tell you're whole story oh I forgot you got on drug's then you went to the clinic and you are still there am I right?Well If or when you do get of off Methadone mabe you might have something to share until then please keep you stupid comment's to youself and stop falling me around like a lose dog without a home.Peace Love!!!
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