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Yes to raw milk

Full story: Eureka Times Standard

The Humboldt County Board of Supervisors will hear a presentation on letting local dairymen sell raw milk products to Humboldt consumers on Tuesday at 9:30 a.m. Citizens are requesting Ordinance 512.4 be rescinded.

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wow

Oakland, CA

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Aug 22, 2010
 
Do you know why Louis Pasture was such an important figure in history? Do you even know who Louis Pasture is?

He was the person who invented the proscess of pasteurization theyreby preventing people from becoming seriously ill and even death from drinking milk and wine.

This opinion only proves liberals have serious mental issues.

If you want raw milk, go buy 40 acres and put a few cows out to pasture.
Koalabear2525

Oakland, CA

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Aug 22, 2010
 
yes go to the farm near you early when the cows are being milked and get it fresh .
huh

Tipton, IA

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Aug 22, 2010
 
wow:you clearly dont understand that it is because of bad farming practices that need pasterization.Heavy grain feeding was an unnatural diet along with poor conditions and minimal pasture.Dont know if you realize but people have been drinking it 10000 years before Mr.Pasture came along.He only saved the farms from cleaning up there act.This kill step harms the nutrition of it.Doctors were prescribing raw milk as a medicine,and are currently doing it today.Not saying its a cure all but its a hell of a lot more valuable than dead milk.
Koalabear2525

Oakland, CA

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Aug 22, 2010
 
yes did you know you can get fresh farm eggs in clearlake right off the farm .
herrman

Riverton, UT

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Aug 22, 2010
 
When I saw the title of this opinion piece I thought to myself "here we go...what an idiot". But the guy makes sense and the safeguards he talks about are fine for consuming and selling the product. I used to dairy farm and would only use my milk if it was cooked (like in pudding - yummy raw milk pudding...if you haven’t had it you haven’t had pudding). Sounds like a good idea to create a nice niche market for Humboldt cows.
French names are tuff

Sacramento, CA

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Aug 22, 2010
 
Why was Louis Pasture so important? I've never heard of him. I thought pasteurization was from Louis Pasteur.

“Fred's Humboldt Blog”

Since: Jan 08

Eureka, CA

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Aug 23, 2010
 
Some lady up in Del Norte County became paralyzed and nearly died from drinking raw milk not long ago. Sounds like she's slowly recovering but I don't think I'd want to drink any, although I did buy some at a health food store many years ago.
Missy

Eureka, CA

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Aug 23, 2010
 
Missy

Eureka, CA

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Aug 23, 2010
 
For those too busy chanting or saving the world or whatever it is you do when you're not fantasizing that unpasteurized milk cures cancer and ends poverty, here's a quick synopsis of the above link:
15 Fall Ill After Drinking Raw Milk
CRESCENT CITY (AP) &#8213; A Del Norte County dairy has ended its raw milk program after more than a dozen people fell ill, including a woman who became partially paralyzed.
IleanaDU

Columbia, MD

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Aug 23, 2010
 
Re: "but farmers who grow and sell lettuce and spinach are not banned from selling vegetables in Humboldt County. Public Health needs to understand this and not prevent our dairymen from selling inspected raw milk."

But there's no equivalent to a pasteurization process for vegetables. Only if there were would dairy and vegetable farmers be in equivalent positions.
Liselle

Eureka, CA

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Aug 23, 2010
 
"There are worse foods to point the finger at, like deli meats, which caused 512 times more illness than raw milk in 2003."

I don't have the data source to back this up, but I'm pretty sure that since deli meat is legal and widely distributed, a lot more people consumed it than those who consumed raw milk. The more people consume, the higher the risk is that they will become ill.
Deb

Eureka, CA

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Aug 23, 2010
 
So, deregulating the beef and chicken industry made people sick when they got bad meat. The deregulation of the egg industry has now poisoned people...and you want to allow even MORE potentially contaminated food onto the shelves. Nice.
So, ok, let the people decide what to stuff in their faces, but who keeps them from giving it to the babies or old folks? Nobody. They don't even have to get their kids vaccinated. Great. I am so glad mine are grown up already! They aren't being exposed to these neglected children, but I really worry for my grandchildren. I hope they don't wind up with some third world disease!
Ohwow

Arcata, CA

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Aug 24, 2010
 
You don't need to defend your desire for raw milk from me.
That being said...
Your funeral.
mmmmmmilk

Shingletown, CA

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Aug 24, 2010
 
The article is not completely correct. No local producers are bottling raw milk nor are they set up to be producing raw milk. This is not to allow off the farm or backyard sales of milk.

What will change for Humboldt is that consumers will be able to purchase inspected clean fresh raw milk in retail stores ( Humboldt is the only county in the state that does not allow this).
California Raw milk has to be even CLEANER than pasteurized milk, so if you are concerned about pathogens in your milk, since California raw milk has to be even safer and cleaner than pasteurized, don't drink pasteurized!
Also, there are more than 2 producers of raw milk in California; those listed are the major producers of raw cows milk, but there are more.
http://www.realmilk.com/where1.html#ca

Everywhere else in California , raw milk is available in stores. This is to put Humboldt in line with the rest of the state.

Again, the point must be made, this is for legal, inspected, regulated raw milk, which has to be lower in pathogens than pasteurized milk.
This is NOT deregulation. The law already is very strict on raw milk in California.
If health is a concern, then pasteurized milk should not be allowed, because the rules are LESS strict for pasteurized and higher amounts of pathogens are allowed!

Wouldn't you rather have fresh clean milk that started out even cleaner than pasteurized? Or pasteurized milk which is produced dirty, then cooked to become legal enough to sell?

Let consumers have a choice. Health issues are not a concern, the laws are already in place to protect the consumer.
mmmmmmilk

Shingletown, CA

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Aug 24, 2010
 
Fred Mangels wrote:
Some lady up in Del Norte County became paralyzed and nearly died from drinking raw milk not long ago. Sounds like she's slowly recovering but I don't think I'd want to drink any, although I did buy some at a health food store many years ago.
The milk she drank was from a "cow share" operation. The raw milk was NOT California approved raw milk. Because the laws are in place, she was not able to buy legal raw milk, so the option was what caused the problem.
The law causes this problem. Because legal raw milk is not available in Humboldt, bootleg milk is consumed, which is the problem.

Let legal, approved and inspected milk be sold in retail stores and protect the consumer from their only option, which is unregulated raw milk.
really

Chico, CA

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Aug 24, 2010
 
Are you some kind of lobbyist or something? It's kinda weirding me out how wedded you are to this topic.
mmmmmmilk wrote:
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The milk she drank was from a "cow share" operation. The raw milk was NOT California approved raw milk. Because the laws are in place, she was not able to buy legal raw milk, so the option was what caused the problem.
The law causes this problem. Because legal raw milk is not available in Humboldt, bootleg milk is consumed, which is the problem.
Let legal, approved and inspected milk be sold in retail stores and protect the consumer from their only option, which is unregulated raw milk.
Mr Chow

Santa Rosa, CA

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Aug 24, 2010
 
9 out of 10 males prefer breast milk. Or, at a minimum, breasts.
Sum Ting Wong

Windsor, CA

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Aug 24, 2010
 
I here raw milk have puss in it...
That why butter yellow?
mmmmmmilk

Shingletown, CA

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Aug 24, 2010
 
Jim Regli and John Vevoda are worried about the reputation of Humboldt Creamery and local milk if anything should happen.

Humboldt Creamery's reputation? Are you kidding me? I think this would be a GOOD thing for Humboldt. I mean there's no where to go but down, especially with the problem with Alexandres Eco milk ( illegal milk, btw.)

And that leads me to the point they are comparing apples tooranges. If this passes and the law is rescinded, none of the local dairy will be able to sell milk. The state law is very clear about the regulations covering ALL milk sales in the state.
A dairyman would have to build a bottling plant and meet very strict standards in order to sell their own raw milk.

Standards, in fact, which are STRICTER than those set for pasteurized milk. So if the argument is over safety, then pasteurized milk cannot be sold either, as its standards are LOWER than those for California Raw milk.

Discussing the statistics on "raw milk" and applying them to a discussion over California Legal raw milk is comparing apples and oranges. The standards in every state are different, and many do allow off the farm, uninspected sales.
NOT California.
California Raw Milk is extremely regulated.

And if the dairymen are concerned about the competion, I guarantee you the local demand is tiny. I would be surprised if daily consumption was more than 20 gallons. That's like 3 cows. Hardly a huge market to be worried about.
huh

Tipton, IA

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#21
Aug 24, 2010
 
People that like to use scare tactics are probably unaware of the safe sources and the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of people drinking it safely compared to the handfull that get sick.Its rare but it sticks out because thats mostly the news about it.Its put out there to devoid people of finding a source other than the industries because the growing number may be a threat some day.
There have been ten outbreaks this year.Maybe those sources will learn from there mistakes.If anybody is interested there is an insane number of recalls for meat and produce all the time,check out foodsafetynews.The real problem is these mass produced foods and bad regulation.
People should look up the facts on pasterized milk also.Three people died in 2007 from listeria.There have been many outbreaks in the last couple decades with thousands of sicknesses along with many deaths.
The fact is that raw milk isnt taking down people left and right.Its up to a person to educate themselves and find a reliable source.I think there is alot of confusion and lack of knowledge about how to regulate it between states.But it should be a persons choice and should be obtainable to those that want it.

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