Politicians Debate Gun Control After Theater Shooting

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Guns were a small part of it. Prescription meds were probably what made James Holmes flip out.

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I hope the next shooter kills some evil corporate types of the ruling class.

Medical Holocaust wrote:

Guns were a small part of it. Prescription meds were probably what made James Holmes flip out.

He didn't kill anyone by throwing meds.

barefoot2626 wrote:

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He didn't kill anyone by throwing meds.

No, but just one armed guy in that theater with a concealed carry permit could have saved a lot of lives.

barefoot2626 wrote:

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He didn't kill anyone by throwing meds.

Gloop.

The Troll Doll wrote:

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No, but just one armed guy in that theater with a concealed carry permit could have saved a lot of lives.

It was a guns free zone..... concealed carry not permitted.

A cluster of victims, by law.

The Troll Doll wrote:

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No, but just one armed guy in that theater with a concealed carry permit could have saved a lot of lives.

Why do you think Holmes, the shooter, was wearing all of that body armor?

So you really believe a citizen with a concealed, likely small-calibre handgun, could have shot down a man with full, SWAT-style body armor?

You must think the SWAT-teams are stupid. You must think that body armor is not effective against small calibre handgun ammunition. You must not have thought through this event.

The only type of firearms which are guaranteed to pierce SWAT-style body armor like Holmes was wearing are high-powered rifles, such as the AR-15 type rifles carried by both Holmes and most police SWAT teams.

So do you think citizens should be allowed to carry AR-15s into crowded theatres, to "protect themselves" from a body-armor-clad madman like Holmes?

The Troll Doll wrote:

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No, but just one armed guy in that theater with a concealed carry permit could have saved a lot of lives.

One other thing, why do you think Holmes threw not one but two tear gas canisters into the theatre, before he started shooting? Perhaps to make it harder for an armed citizen to see clearly to shoot at Holmes?

Remember, Holmes almost certainly was smarter than probably 95 percent of everyone in America. How many people could graduate with a college degree in neuroscience with high honors, being the "top of the top" as Holmes was described by the president of the university from which he received his degree?

Holmes spent months planning this event. He clearly did not want to be injured or killed himself. He studiously avoided getting into a fight with police, even though he was heavily armed and he was wearing a complete kit of body armor. He even saved police lives by warning them of the booby traps he had set in his apartment. So we know Holmes had no beef with police.

In this case, armed citizens with puny, small-calibre handguns would have made little to no difference in the outcome, most likely. This guy was too smart. He had planned too well.

Right Wing Banned wrote:

The only type of firearms which are guaranteed to pierce SWAT-style body armor like Holmes was wearing are high-powered rifles, such as the AR-15 type rifles carried by both Holmes and most police SWAT teams.
So do you think citizens should be allowed to carry AR-15s into crowded theatres, to "protect themselves" from a body-armor-clad madman like Holmes?

He wasn't wearing body armor on his face, and a well placed round from a handgun could have easily penetrated that gas mask and embedded itself nicely into the his diseased brain. I agree though, with everything going on that night within the theater, a bullet to the face would've been a long shot indeed, but sometimes luck will send justice to it's target.

I don't know what the solution is. A sick nut such as this with mass casualties on the mind will carry out his plan through some means, regardless of how many gun control measures are in place.

The Troll Doll wrote:

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No, but just one armed guy in that theater with a concealed carry permit could have saved a lot of lives.

i second that miss doll. i have a CC permit and i exercise my right to use it almost everyday.
we have over 33 thousand federal gun laws on the books, not to mention all the state and city laws that exist today. i don't know what law they could enact that would have prevented such a tragedy from happening in todays world.
as my friend, you very well know that i too have a great number of guns and ammo. i even reload my own ammo, but i don't harbor any thoughts about wiping out a score of inocent people or any single one person. some people are just plain evil, and untill socity figures out a way to tell them from the rest of us, we will have to protect ourselves.
i hope and pray that nothing like this ever happens again, ever.

my prayers go out to all the families involved in this terrible tragedy, my they find peace and closure.

mr goodwrench wrote:

<quoted text>i second that miss doll. i have a CC permit and i exercise my right to use it almost everyday.
we have over 33 thousand federal gun laws on the books, not to mention all the state and city laws that exist today. i don't know what law they could enact that would have prevented such a tragedy from happening in todays world.
as my friend, you very well know that i too have a great number of guns and ammo. i even reload my own ammo, but i don't harbor any thoughts about wiping out a score of inocent people or any single one person. some people are just plain evil, and untill socity figures out a way to tell them from the rest of us, we will have to protect ourselves.
i hope and pray that nothing like this ever happens again, ever.
my prayers go out to all the families involved in this terrible tragedy, my they find peace and closure.

Don't hold your breath.

The protective garmets Holmes, or whatever his real name is, was wearing was not bullet proof. Anyone in the theatre with a gun coulld have taken him out long before he got off 70 rounds.

As someone that used to be in the military and do test on ballistic armor I would say yes, an armed person could have stopped. Armor will save your life, but it still hurts like you won't believe when your shot at and it will nock you down.

Lets say someone armed was using a 9 mm Handgun at a range of 25 yards, that is equal to the power of being hit by an Auto doing around 36 MPH.

Right Wing Banned wrote:

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Why do you think Holmes, the shooter, was wearing all of that body armor?
So you really believe a citizen with a concealed, likely small-calibre handgun, could have shot down a man with full, SWAT-style body armor?
You must think the SWAT-teams are stupid. You must think that body armor is not effective against small calibre handgun ammunition. You must not have thought through this event.
The only type of firearms which are guaranteed to pierce SWAT-style body armor like Holmes was wearing are high-powered rifles, such as the AR-15 type rifles carried by both Holmes and most police SWAT teams.
So do you think citizens should be allowed to carry AR-15s into crowded theatres, to "protect themselves" from a body-armor-clad madman like Holmes?

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Sneaky,

I know this sounds a little insensitive and honestly I don't mean for it to sound this way, but in some ways we are lucky this guy used a low powered Military Rifle, if he had used something like a .308 M1A with a dual drum could you imagine how much worse it could have been ?.

Sneaky Pete wrote:

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He wasn't wearing body armor on his face, and a well placed round from a handgun could have easily penetrated that gas mask and embedded itself nicely into the his diseased brain. I agree though, with everything going on that night within the theater, a bullet to the face would've been a long shot indeed, but sometimes luck will send justice to it's target.
I don't know what the solution is. A sick nut such as this with mass casualties on the mind will carry out his plan through some means, regardless of how many gun control measures are in place.

lowglow wrote:

Sneaky,
I know this sounds a little insensitive and honestly I don't mean for it to sound this way, but in some ways we are lucky this guy used a low powered Military Rifle, if he had used something like a .308 M1A with a dual drum could you imagine how much worse it could have been ?.
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Where can we all buy one?

Gun sales in Colorado have increased 41% since the theater shooting.

My guess would be people want to protect themselves.

So if everyone in the theater were armed there would only be 13 dead because one of you gun huggers would have jumped up and shot the other lunatic in the theater killing people. Do all of us a favor and stay home with your guns and protect yourselves.

Well not to upset you but here is a few things you might want to know. In the USA, on average there are 7 acciental deaths by Cops every 24 hours and in the last 12 years there has only been 2 accidental deaths by those that carry a Gun. The average Cop shoots 5 rounds from his firarm a year to practice and an additional 5 rounds to qualify.
The average Concealed carrier shoots over 300 rounds a year and like myself, most of us that compete can out shoot any Cop I have ever met.

Provocateur wrote:

So if everyone in the theater were armed there would only be 13 dead because one of you gun huggers would have jumped up and shot the other lunatic in the theater killing people. Do all of us a favor and stay home with your guns and protect yourselves.

Sneaky Pete wrote:

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He wasn't wearing body armor on his face, and a well placed round from a handgun could have easily penetrated that gas mask and embedded itself nicely into the his diseased brain. I agree though, with everything going on that night within the theater, a bullet to the face would've been a long shot indeed, but sometimes luck will send justice to it's target.
I don't know what the solution is. A sick nut such as this with mass casualties on the mind will carry out his plan through some means, regardless of how many gun control measures are in place.

No he was wearing tactical vest not ballistic vest.Nothing he had on would stop a .40 or even a .22lr
The link has the killer James Holmes order from Tacticalgear.com
http://www.9news.com/news/photo-gallery.aspx...
Again not bullet proof.

barefoot2626 wrote:

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He didn't kill anyone by throwing meds.

Do you really not understand how meds/drugs can effect a persons behavior?

The Troll Doll wrote:

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No, but just one armed guy in that theater with a concealed carry permit could have saved a lot of lives.

Amen to that!!