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#21
Mar 30, 2007
 
The parroting is nonstop ... yet it can't drown out the fact that the 'botttle mover' question will only be relevant when one of the two technicians is identified as a bottle mover. There is no evidence to suggest that this is the case.

Why not focus on evidence which does exist, like the many, many mistakes which have been made by LNDD technicians, the evidence that the urine sample was contaminated and the fact that Floyd's tests weren't even positive !
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#22
Mar 30, 2007
 
Will wrote:
The whistling is nonstop -- yet, it can't drown out the fact that Landis presiding arbitrator Brunet is on record as refusing to invalidate an athlete's doping results on the technicality that mere bottle movers constitute "dual analyst involvement".
The arbitration panel will decide if the two technicians were part of the A and B analysis........and labeling them " bottle movers " at this point is just an attempt to muddy the waters.

It wouldn't surprise me if the arbs clear Floyd on one or more technicalities...there are so many to choose from

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#23
Mar 30, 2007
 
Wayne wrote:
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The arbitration panel will decide if the two technicians were part of the A and B analysis........and labeling them " bottle movers " at this point is just an attempt to muddy the waters.
It wouldn't surprise me if the arbs clear Floyd on one or more technicalities...there are so many to choose from
---Wayne---
That's right, taken in isolation, each 'technicality' appear insignificant but when you step back and look at the whole scene, it becomes laughable. Such incompetence. I've never seen anything like it before. If the person in charge of LNDD had any dignity, he would resign. In fact, I'm surprised he hasn't been sacked.

Seeing the latest Dr Baker slides and that one document in particular which was literaly covered with scored out mistakes, incomplete words, conflicting statements on the reference chemicals ... the mind boggles.
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#24
Mar 30, 2007
 
The very subject of this thread, "Arbitrator Brunet's track record blah blah blah" is nothing more than Willieboy's feeble attempt to obfuscate and red herring this case because he certainly can't argue the FACTS, which include ethical and procedural lapses on the part of WADA (Dick Pound, a walking, talking ethical lapse) and LNDD (ethically challenged lab techs and management, and procedural errors too numerous to count). Unfortunately for Willie, the truth will come out. Did you pass the "bar" yet, Willie? Starbucks opens at 5:00 am. By the way, which one do you Barista at? I want to make sure I don't wander into that one next time I'm in Balto. Is it the one across the street from the Junior College? That would certainly be convenient. You could put in three hours behind the "bar" and still make your 9 oclock dumbbell math class.
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#25
Mar 30, 2007
 
Howl, Whistlers ... but the facts speak louder than Landista spin. Brunet's arbitration panel in the Thomas case trumps personal attack.

In the Landis case,'Code operateur' 18 Cerpolini acted merely as a "bottle mover" of Landis' sealed frozen B sample and there is simply no evidence to suggest otherwise; regardless of her role in analyzing SOME of Landis' A sample T/E ratio tests, she did not carry out ANY of the analysis of the B sample.[see UDADA 0251, 0254, 0256, 0257].

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#26
Mar 30, 2007
 
So wILLness is 'stating' that because Brunet (hmmm, I wonder if he's related to my first Euro-Squeeze?(whose name need not be revealed here)) has prior "BOTTLE-MOVER" experience in his arbitration-career, that is PROOF of the PRECONCEIVED and PREDETERMINED outcome of this new case, in spite of new evidence of mis-calibration, mistakes and mis-communication?

I bet wILLness has a lot of zits from the greasy pizzas 'he' ate in Miami...

I hear Gonzales will be looking for new faces at DoJ soon... ILLnessW may be working as an intern there this summer??

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Will

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#27
Mar 30, 2007
 
Factual references: See UDADA 0251, 0254, 0256, 0257.
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Mar 30, 2007
 
Wayne wrote:
<quoted text>...It wouldn't surprise me if the arbs clear Floyd on one or more technicalities...there are so many to choose from
---Wayne---
Landis lacks legally sufficient evidence to meet his burden of proof or to overcome UCI's "Anti-technicality Rules" (Articles 18 & 19).
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#29
Mar 30, 2007
 
More Banderlog.

Dr. de Boer appears capable of professional pleasantries.
nevrflw

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#30
Mar 30, 2007
 
Will wrote:
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Landis lacks legally sufficient evidence to meet his burden of proof or to overcome UCI's "Anti-technicality Rules" (Articles 18 & 19).
I think you're wrong. USADA/LNDD have to provide the evidence, e.g. data files, but they' haven't. Why are they hiding them ?
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#31
Mar 30, 2007
 
What you think is so noted. However, what you may think carries little weight regarding the legal sufficiency of evidence, legal burdens of proof or the legal effect of anti-technicality rules.

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#32
Mar 30, 2007
 
Good for 'Arbitrator Brunet', more power to his judgements.

Now, back to the Floyd Landis case. Who thinks that the same two individuals were involved in both the A and B tests. The evidence certainly suggests so. Dr Baker (the highly respected IOC sponsored author and all round good guy) also thinks so. So does Phil Liggett (the most revered cycling commentator in the world). On the down side, our friend Will (the ... er, whatever ?) has some doubts. Make your own minds everyone ... LOL !
Ricky Rider

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#33
Mar 30, 2007
 
Ghost of Ali wrote:
On the down side, our friend Will (the ... er, whatever ?)
Future Barista. He'll be passing the "bar" everyday.
Will

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#34
Mar 31, 2007
 
Arbitrator Brunet's Track Record on "Bottle Movers"
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#35
Mar 31, 2007
 
Will wrote:
Arbitrator Brunet's Track Record on "Bottle Movers"
Willie: Future Barista, he'll be passing the "bar" every day!
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#36
Mar 31, 2007
 
Dopers United Rep smack notwithstanding, the topic remains: Arbitrator Brunet's Track Record on "Bottle Movers".
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#37
Mar 31, 2007
 
Ricky Rider wrote:
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Willie: Future Barista, he'll be passing the "bar" every day!
...and then getting ''P*SSED'' in the BAR every night,''oh where did I go wrong?''
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#38
Apr 1, 2007
 
THE BOTTOM LINE: On facts and circumstances that are materially identical to those in Landis' case, the AAA arbitration panel that included Landis presiding arbitrator Patrice Brunet considered and rejected an athlete's argument that mere bottle movers constituted "dual analyst involvement".
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#39
Apr 2, 2007
 
Will wrote:
The presiding arbitrator in the Landis case, Patrice M. Brunet, was also part of the arbitration panel that heard and decided the case of USADA v. Tammy Thomas, AAA No. 30-190-00505-02 (award dated 6 September, 2002). As in the Landis case, the Thomas case also involved an allegation by the athlete that there had been "dual involvement of analysts" by the lab. Here from pages 8-9 of the Thomas case is how the panel decided the issue involving mere "bottle movers":

"Another issue was raised by [the Athlete] involving the "B" sample test. Citing Article 5.6 of the Olympic Movement Anti-Doping Code:'If the analysis of the 'B' sample is carried out by the same laboratory that analyzed the 'A' sample, the laboratory personnel who carry out the analysis of the 'B' sample must be entirely different....'

Dr. Catlin testified that the people who were noted by Respondent in the records of both the A and B sample testing procedures were acting as mere bottle movers of the sealed samples. They were not "carrying out the analysis of the B sample". Further, USADA protocol Section 8.b. provide for the athlete's presence when the 'B' sample is both opened and analyzed. In the instant case Respondent chose not to attend either the opening or analysis of the 'B' sample .... The Panel has thoroughly reviewed the exhibits received along with the testimony of the experts. It is the conclusion of the Panel that the UCLA Lab has followed the prescribed standards...[and] that [USADA] has proven [a doping violation]."

In the Landis case,'Code operateur' 18 Cerpolini acted merely as a "bottle mover" of Landis' sealed frozen B sample and there is simply no evidence to suggest otherwise; regardless of her role in analyzing SOME of Landis' A sample T/E ratio tests, she did not carry out ANY of the analysis of the B sample.[see UDADA 0251, 0254, 0256, 0257].

The other consideration that the Patrice Brunet arbitration panel in Thomas found to be decisive is the fact that the athlete in Thomas had the opportunity to attend and to observe the B sample opening and analysis. Of course, Landis DID take advantage of the opportunity to have his legal representatives and a lab expert present to observe his B sample opening and analysis; unfortunately for Landis, although his representatives "received the full documentation package ...of sample A...at the beginning of the procedure of counter-analysis of the corresponding B sample" [see USADA 0250], the reps made no objection that the analysts identified in the A sample documents were conducting any B sample analyses -- IN FACT, Landis' lab expert Dr. de Boer even complimented the Chatenay Lab analysts as operating in a TRANSPARENT and PROFESSIONAL manner![see USADA 0368].

Dr. de Boer himself formerly ran a WADA-approved lab. He knows the ropes and he knows what to look out for. The fact that de Boer did not raise any objection of "dual analyst involvement", and actually complimented the Chatenay Lab personnel on their transparency and professionalism, confirms the obvious -- that there is no legitimate Landaluce-style "dual analyst involvement" technicality for Landis to hide behind.
An exquisite piece of parroting !!!
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#40
Apr 2, 2007
 
It always amazes me when people contradict themselves as Will continues doing. Copy and paste in order to fill up a thread, side step issues and questions. Accuse others of being doping fanatics, while one is a bigger fanatic, illogical hypocrit, and bigit.

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