Histroy of Chatenay-Malabry Lab.

Please read the story of Paolo Pezzo here.
http://classic.mountainzone.com/news/pezzo3.h ...
— Ari Cheren, Mountain Zone Correspondent Follow-up Stories:
[Doubts over Guilt][Charges Cleared][Pezzo Exonerated]
The same Chatenay-Malabry lab. was involved !
A case of false positive !
Not one newspaper in the world has mentioned this. I found this after 2 hours of searching !
As a lab scientist we know the flaws !. This is the same Chatenay-Malabry lab that is involved in the Landis case !
All hospital labs have quarterly proficiency testing. Even the best of hospitals in the US have failed sometimes in certain analyte testing .
I wonder whether this commercial laboratory undergoes any kind of quality control and /or external proficiency testing !!

Please inform Landis' Lawyer
Has the lab corrected their errors ?!

Sincerely
Harvestmark

Correction -
Please read the story of Paolo Pezzo here.

http://classic.mountainzone.com/news/pezzo3.h...

— Ari Cheren, Mountain Zone Correspondent Follow-up Stories:
[Doubts over Guilt][Charges Cleared][Pezzo Exonerated]


The same Chatenay-Malabry lab. was involved !

A case of false positive !

Not one newspaper in the world have mentioned this. I found this after 2 hours of searching !

As a lab scientist we know the flaws !. This is the same Chatenay-Malabry lab that is involved in the Landis case !

All hospital labs have quarterly proficiency testing. Even the best of hospitals in the US have failed sometimes in certain analyte testing .

I wonder whether this commercial laboratory undergoes any kind of quality control and /or external proficiency testing !!

Please read the story of Paolo Pezzo here.

http://classic.mountainzone.com/news/pezzo3.h...

— Ari Cheren, Mountain Zone Correspondent Follow-up Stories:
[Doubts over Guilt][Charges Cleared][Pezzo Exonerated]


The same Chatenay-Malabry lab. was involved !

A case of false positive !

Not one newspaper in the world have mentioned this. I found this after 2 hours of searching !

As a lab scientist we know the flaws !. This is the same Chatenay-Malabry lab that is involved in the Landis case !

All hospital labs have quarterly proficiency testing. Even the best of hospitals in the US have failed sometimes in certain analyte testing .

I wonder whether this commercial laboratory undergoes any kind of quality control and /or external proficiency testing !!

Sincerely

http://classic.mountainzone.com/news/pezzo3.h...

Dude, excelent!( but bad link!:-{) "any kind of quality control and /or external proficiency testing" Not on yer arse! These WADA's answer to NOBODY! They are the final and ONLY word. They "oversee" themselves ( just like the pentegon!). Does anyone recal "Operation Pueblo?" You know, the one where all the top riders were canned the day before the TdF? Can anyone tell me what major media outlet broke with the news that of the NINE riders busted, FIVE have been exhonerated by the Spanish Judge presiding over the case? Has any of these WADA's offered ANY retractions or apologies? Does anyone know that besides these NINE riders, over ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY other people are involved? NO, not juicy or "newsy" enogh for all of these tabloid rags!

Yes, Harvestmark, CRAP is all we're fed, because we are all stupid! The world's on fire and it's all about a "wardrobe malfunction!"

BIGGER-THAN-LIES wrote:

Dude, excelent!( but bad link!:-{) "any kind of quality control and /or external proficiency testing" Not on yer arse! These WADA's answer to NOBODY! They are the final and ONLY word. They "oversee" themselves ( just like the pentegon!). Does anyone recal "Operation Pueblo?" You know, the one where all the top riders were canned the day before the TdF? Can anyone tell me what major media outlet broke with the news that of the NINE riders busted, FIVE have been exhonerated by the Spanish Judge presiding over the case? Has any of these WADA's offered ANY retractions or apologies? Does anyone know that besides these NINE riders, over ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY other people are involved? NO, not juicy or "newsy" enogh for all of these tabloid rags!
Yes, Harvestmark, CRAP is all we're fed, because we are all stupid! The world's on fire and it's all about a "wardrobe malfunction!"

It was operation puerto, not operation pueblo......

Oh dear - the story is 8 yrs old.
Back then doping in Italy was not so serious.

Harvestmark wrote:

Correction -
Please read the story of Paolo Pezzo here.
http://classic.mountainzone.com/news/pezzo3.h...
— Ari Cheren, Mountain Zone Correspondent Follow-up Stories:
[Doubts over Guilt][Charges Cleared][Pezzo Exonerated]
The same Chatenay-Malabry lab. was involved !
A case of false positive !
Not one newspaper in the world have mentioned this. I found this after 2 hours of searching !
As a lab scientist we know the flaws !. This is the same Chatenay-Malabry lab that is involved in the Landis case !
All hospital labs have quarterly proficiency testing. Even the best of hospitals in the US have failed sometimes in certain analyte testing .
I wonder whether this commercial laboratory undergoes any kind of quality control and /or external proficiency testing !!

...oh, Pezzo was definately guilt...
next question

The Chatenay-Malabry lab is quite controversial. Last summer, the lab reported positive tests, also for Nandrolone
Fisher Cycles Press Release - Paolo Pezzi
By now, you've surely heard that Paola Pezzo tested positive for a substance on the UCI's medical control list at the World Cup Finals in Annecy, France. The urine test administered by the Chatenay-Malabry lab in Paris, came back as positive for the substance Nandrolone, a long acting anabolic steroid often used by body builders to build muscle mass. The situation has been made more confusing by the circulation of rumors and misinformation.
Unsurprisingly, the Internet leads the way in supplying incorrect information. On various sites, we've read that Pezzo has been suspended, fined, and had either her World Cup or World Championship titles rescinded, or both. None of this is true. For her part, Paola denies the charges completely. From her home in Boscochiesanuova, Italy, she said, "I've never taken this stuff - I've never taken anything. I an innocent...and despite the difficult situation, I'll come back and race in 1998."
To help set the record straight, we've included a chronology of events to this point, a schedule of what comes next, some relevant information surrounding the situation and text of a paper by the medical expert who examined this case on behalf of Ms. Pezzo. In the next few days, we'll forward you some more technical information on specific testing procedures. Our Italian contacts are in the middle of translating it all and it's pretty complicated stuff.

Continued next

CHRONOLOGY
10/29/97 - The UCI informs the Italian Cycling federation that Pezzo was positive for Nandrolone at the World Cup Finals, in Annecy, France, after a test at the Chatenay-Malabry lab in Paris, the lab that has been contracted by FIFA to administer the medical control for the FIFA World Cup soccer tournament in France during the summer of 1998.
11/27/97 - The analysis of Paola's Annecy sample was declared positive again after a second test by the Chatenay-Malabry lab.
12/23/97 - The test results, which were supposed to have been kept secret until a hearing scheduled for January 3, were leaked to the media by an individual at the Italian Olympic Committee.
1/3/98 - Pezzo has a hearing with the Italian Olympic Committee's Medical Control Commission, to decide whether to send her case to the Italian Cycling Federation's Discipline Committee, or to throw it out.
1/17/98 - The deadline,(subject to change), for a decision by the Italian Cycling Federation.
RELEVANT ISSUES
* Nandrolone is a steroid used to build muscle mass - a logical choice for body builders or offensive tackles, but not for cross-country cyclists. It also stays in the body for a comparatively long time, which makes it unlikely that Paola would have used it between the last two World Cup races and just weeks before the World Championships.
* Paola tested negative at the World Cup race in Houffalize, Belgium, one week before her positive test at Annecy. She tested negative again, one week after Annecy, at the World Championships. In all, she tested negative ten times in the course of the ?97 season.
* The Chatenay-Malabry lab is quite controversial. Last summer, the lab reported positive tests, also for Nandrolone, for several French soccer players. Like Paola, the soccer players protested vigorously, pointing out the unsuitability of Nandrolone for their sport.
* Regardless of the findings or discipline imposed, Paola's World Championship status is not in jeopardy. Any discipline will involve only the Annecy race and the World Cup standings.(Remember, she tested negative after the World's).
* There were some major discrepancies with the scientific standards and parameters of the test, as compared to the standards of the International Olympic Committee.(This issue will be followed up in more detail, when our translation arrives today).
Paola Pezzo has been a member of the Gary Fisher family for over five years
http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/1998/jan98...

The Chatenay-Malabry lab is quite controversial. Last summer, the lab reported positive tests, also for Nandrolone

Fisher Cycles Press Release - Paolo Pezzi
By now, you've surely heard that Paola Pezzo tested positive for a substance on the UCI's medical control list at the World Cup Finals in Annecy, France. The urine test administered by the Chatenay-Malabry lab in Paris, came back as positive for the substance Nandrolone, a long acting anabolic steroid often used by body builders to build muscle mass. The situation has been made more confusing by the circulation of rumors and misinformation.
Unsurprisingly, the Internet leads the way in supplying incorrect information. On various sites, we've read that Pezzo has been suspended, fined, and had either her World Cup or World Championship titles rescinded, or both. None of this is true. For her part, Paola denies the charges completely. From her home in Boscochiesanuova, Italy, she said, "I've never taken this stuff - I've never taken anything. I an innocent...and despite the difficult situation, I'll come back and race in 1998."

To help set the record straight, we've included a chronology of events to this point, a schedule of what comes next, some relevant information surrounding the situation and text of a paper by the medical expert who examined this case on behalf of Ms. Pezzo. In the next few days, we'll forward you some more technical information on specific testing procedures. Our Italian contacts are in the middle of translating it all and it's pretty complicated stuff.

continued above

CHRONOLOGY

10/29/97 - The UCI informs the Italian Cycling federation that Pezzo was positive for Nandrolone at the World Cup Finals, in Annecy, France, after a test at the Chatenay-Malabry lab in Paris, the lab that has been contracted by FIFA to administer the medical control for the FIFA World Cup soccer tournament in France during the summer of 1998.

11/27/97 - The analysis of Paola's Annecy sample was declared positive again after a second test by the Chatenay-Malabry lab.

12/23/97 - The test results, which were supposed to have been kept secret until a hearing scheduled for January 3, were leaked to the media by an individual at the Italian Olympic Committee.

1/3/98 - Pezzo has a hearing with the Italian Olympic Committee's Medical Control Commission, to decide whether to send her case to the Italian Cycling Federation's Discipline Committee, or to throw it out.

1/17/98 - The deadline,(subject to change), for a decision by the Italian Cycling Federation.

RELEVANT ISSUES

* Nandrolone is a steroid used to build muscle mass - a logical choice for body builders or offensive tackles, but not for cross-country cyclists. It also stays in the body for a comparatively long time, which makes it unlikely that Paola would have used it between the last two World Cup races and just weeks before the World Championships.

* Paola tested negative at the World Cup race in Houffalize, Belgium, one week before her positive test at Annecy. She tested negative again, one week after Annecy, at the World Championships. In all, she tested negative ten times in the course of the ?97 season.

* The Chatenay-Malabry lab is quite controversial. Last summer, the lab reported positive tests, also for Nandrolone, for several French soccer players. Like Paola, the soccer players protested vigorously, pointing out the unsuitability of Nandrolone for their sport.

* Regardless of the findings or discipline imposed, Paola's World Championship status is not in jeopardy. Any discipline will involve only the Annecy race and the World Cup standings.(Remember, she tested negative after the World's).

* There were some major discrepancies with the scientific standards and parameters of the test, as compared to the standards of the International Olympic Committee.(This issue will be followed up in more detail, when our translation arrives today).

Paola Pezzo has been a member of the Gary Fisher family for over five years



http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/1998/jan98...

Harvestmark wrote:

CHRONOLOGY
10/29/97 - The UCI informs the Italian Cycling federation that Pezzo was positive for Nandrolone at the World Cup Finals, in Annecy, France, after a test at the Chatenay-Malabry lab in Paris, the lab that has been contracted by FIFA to administer the medical control for the FIFA World Cup soccer tournament in France during the summer of 1998.
11/27/97 - The analysis of Paola's Annecy sample was declared positive again after a second test by the Chatenay-Malabry lab.
12/23/97 - The test results, which were supposed to have been kept secret until a hearing scheduled for January 3, were leaked to the media by an individual at the Italian Olympic Committee.
1/3/98 - Pezzo has a hearing with the Italian Olympic Committee's Medical Control Commission, to decide whether to send her case to the Italian Cycling Federation's Discipline Committee, or to throw it out.
1/17/98 - The deadline,(subject to change), for a decision by the Italian Cycling Federation.
RELEVANT ISSUES
* Nandrolone is a steroid used to build muscle mass - a logical choice for body builders or offensive tackles, but not for cross-country cyclists. It also stays in the body for a comparatively long time, which makes it unlikely that Paola would have used it between the last two World Cup races and just weeks before the World Championships.
* Paola tested negative at the World Cup race in Houffalize, Belgium, one week before her positive test at Annecy. She tested negative again, one week after Annecy, at the World Championships. In all, she tested negative ten times in the course of the ?97 season.
* The Chatenay-Malabry lab is quite controversial. Last summer, the lab reported positive tests, also for Nandrolone, for several French soccer players. Like Paola, the soccer players protested vigorously, pointing out the unsuitability of Nandrolone for their sport.
* Regardless of the findings or discipline imposed, Paola's World Championship status is not in jeopardy. Any discipline will involve only the Annecy race and the World Cup standings.(Remember, she tested negative after the World's).
* There were some major discrepancies with the scientific standards and parameters of the test, as compared to the standards of the International Olympic Committee.(This issue will be followed up in more detail, when our translation arrives today).
Paola Pezzo has been a member of the Gary Fisher family for over five years
http://www.cyclingnews.com/results/1998/jan98...

I feel there should be a big investigation into the lab. It's important for the cycling world. All parties involved should hold a high intregrity. The expect it from the riders...they need to do the same.
Z
GB+

don't be suprised if they investigate this lab and find a complete staff of former french nationals that look like the current govenor of Califouuuurniahhh.I hope they check the restrooms for all the speciman cups labelled "next american tour de france winner".

It seems interesting in medical journals (do a google search under urinary secretion of testosterone in atheltic drug testing)

Every scientific journal that I read said that in cases of atheletic Testosterone testing -urinary secretions of exogenous testosterone and derivatives are only detectable within 1-3 hours of induction.

And yes I read and understood this stuff very clearly as I am a Doctor and am familiar with medical journals and research, although endocrinology in not my specialty.

If the 1-3 window of detection in urinary sample
is true, as the medical literature indicates, then there is now way floyd did anything and it suggests tampering or sabatoge.

This would have to mean Floyd ingested Testosterone in the final miles or final climb of Stage 17.
No way! Just think about how ridiculous that is.

Floyd is getting screwed!

zwrites wrote:

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I feel there should be a big investigation into the lab. It's important for the cycling world. All parties involved should hold a high intregrity. The expect it from the riders...they need to do the same.
Z
GB+

Are the people at this lab Doping as well?:-))

As a high number of cycling doping incidents come to light in France (or the TDF), it's only reasonble that they should be tested in France, rather than some other country.

To give any credibility to the idea of this lab being inept, you need to:

Produce some figures that show they make more mistakes percentage wise, than any other lab. Then there would be a case.

The case stated at the start of this thread is a red herring. The descrepancies are not on the way the test was conducted, just comparisons of required info. Like getting one hospital to do a test on someone, not fully understanding what the another hospital involved actually wanted.

Rob wrote:

Floyd is getting screwed!

Yeah. Like the Tour de France organisers are really keen to get some more worldwide bad publicity.

Rob wrote:

It seems interesting in medical journals (do a google search under urinary secretion of testosterone in atheltic drug testing)
Every scientific journal that I read said that in cases of atheletic Testosterone testing -urinary secretions of exogenous testosterone and derivatives are only detectable within 1-3 hours of induction.
And yes I read and understood this stuff very clearly as I am a Doctor and am familiar with medical journals and research, although endocrinology in not my specialty.
If the 1-3 window of detection in urinary sample
is true, as the medical literature indicates, then there is now way floyd did anything and it suggests tampering or sabatoge.
This would have to mean Floyd ingested Testosterone in the final miles or final climb of Stage 17.
No way! Just think about how ridiculous that is.
Floyd is getting screwed!

Hey, I belive you! Maybe these folks at the lab have some sort of financial gain....ie leaking a sensational story to the paper l'Equip? just maybe of the folks in the lab likes all the noise they can make around the world. its sick, but is possible. money can currupt many people.

Oh, come on ...

The urine (test product) has now been given to the USADA.

It should be possible to prove if the urine is FL´s or not. If the testorone + masking agent is something his body produces there can also be carried out DNA-test for that.

So what is the problem?

Benny - Lafayette LA USA wrote:

<quoted text>
Hey, I belive you! Maybe these folks at the lab have some sort of financial gain....ie leaking a sensational story to the paper l'Equip? just maybe of the folks in the lab likes all the noise they can make around the world. its sick, but is possible. money can currupt many people.

Insider wrote:

<quoted text>
Are the people at this lab Doping as well?:-))
As a high number of cycling doping incidents come to light in France (or the TDF), it's only reasonble that they should be tested in France, rather than some other country.
To give any credibility to the idea of this lab being inept, you need to:
Produce some figures that show they make more mistakes percentage wise, than any other lab. Then there would be a case.
The case stated at the start of this thread is a red herring. The descrepancies are not on the way the test was conducted, just comparisons of required info. Like getting one hospital to do a test on someone, not fully understanding what the another hospital involved actually wanted.

Don't know if they dope, but they could contaminate a clean urine sample. They could forget to calibrate an instrument, they could forget to clean an instrument that is used for the testing, they could use an expired control...so on and so forth...the way a lab could make a mistake...plus hey the financial angle is a good point of view too...many of people have been paid off for different reasons in this world. So, I say investigate the lab....too!
Z
GB+

zwrites wrote:

<quoted text>
Don't know if they dope, but they could contaminate a clean urine sample. They could forget to calibrate an instrument, they could forget to clean an instrument that is used for the testing, they could use an expired control...so on and so forth...the way a lab could make a mistake...plus hey the financial angle is a good point of view too...many of people have been paid off for different reasons in this world. So, I say investigate the lab....too!
Z
GB+

As this saga continues the excuses and explanations become more and more bizarre!