Vinokourov to fight blood doping charge

My Opinion_El Paso_TX wrote:

Almost forgot!
As for anyone making this an Americans vs the French, Raymond owns that title as he continuelly made that statement more than anyone else at the time.
When I began providing him with history trivia, only than did he begin backing off from that pedestal. He also found himself pinned in a corner by many others here as well.
Overall Chris, you were more geniune and honest than Will and Raymond.
Cheers

Athos wrote:

<quoted text>It would NOT happen as I am not a racist,(am I black, white, yellow, brown and does it matter?)Please refrain from bringing race and colour into this discussion
Of course TdF, ASO, UCI, LNDD, l'Equipe have their problems, as do all sporting bodies, we should be trying to help rather that run them down all of the time.
It has been said by wiser men than me that "once you start losing your temper and calling people names, you have lost the argument (discussion)" Please refrain from name calling. Yes I know, I have at times done the same, most often when provoked (as you are trying to do) For that I have apologised (except to Jon) Believe me Will, Raymond, myself are no more 'idiots' than any others passing time and 'friendly' banter on this blog.
I do not agree with a lot of writers here, BUT I do respect their opinion, if it is not a personal attack. Please try your hardest to respect other writers opinion, even though it does not agree with yours. You never know, you may even convince me!(But not with abuse)
Now back to the lawn laying, and 'GREEN SIDE UP’ That is a joke, not abuse, get it? Grass side = green side up........ Oh never mind
Good morning from sunny Yatton

Rubber side down wrote:

You missed my point.... when we hear or see a situation, we often jump to conclusions (ie. the black man is stealing the white man's money) when we don't have all the facts. When you look at the current cycling scene, you could assume that the cyclists are all dopers and that the good guys are catching them.
I am not sure that the good guys are wearing white lab coats.
Cheers and don't let the tree hit the house
And no, I don't think you are a racist
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Athos wrote:

<quoted text>Ah yes RSU but I am one of the good guys!! You are right no one should assume anything without thinking first.
The tree is down but it hit the lawn! Can you re-lay it for me please? GREEN SIDE UP!(I must stop this!)
The bread is ready to take out now and so the first hot crust is MINE! It has been a busy day. Tree chopping, bread making, editing photos for the next competition (Sat) I think it is off to the pub tonight.
Backs to black, why are there no black riders (Afro, Afro Caribbean) in the TDF?

Rubber side down wrote:

Good question.... I rode with a black pro 1 cyclist from Barbados in the park the other morning and there are a number of good, black riders in St Louis, but i haven't see any on the top pro teams in the Grand Tours.
Major Taylor was a tremendous black cyclist in the late 1890's/early 1900's. Maybe there are not enough bikes for black children or they don't have the heroes to aspire to, like they do in basketball and football.
Try http://www.majortaylorassociation.org/news/LA...
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Rubber side down wrote:

Good question.... I rode with a black pro 1 cyclist from Barbados in the park the other morning and there are a number of good, black riders in St Louis, but i haven't see any on the top pro teams in the Grand Tours.
Major Taylor was a tremendous black cyclist in the late 1890's/early 1900's. Maybe there are not enough bikes for black children or they don't have the heroes to aspire to, like they do in basketball and football.
Try http://www.majortaylorassociation.org/news/LA...
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Gus wrote:

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...Nelson Vails was a black pro Track rider once based in Huntington Beach CA area.Had a house at Seal beach.This was back in the 80's.He started off as bike messenger in NYC and I believe rode in the World's in London England.Some of you may remember him,the Big Black Dude with Dreadlocks,which he cut off later.I spent the day with his then wife at the Olympic Road race down in Mission Viejo in LA in the 80'sHe had a Big mouth and was extremely funny.He once tried out for an audition for a Movie and believe it or not got Stage Fright and Blew it.Last I heard he split with his wife and re married some Blonde Chick,life goes on...cheers!

Athos wrote:

<quoted text>Backs to black, why are there no black riders (Afro, Afro Caribbean) in the TDF?

Rubber side down wrote:

Good question.... Maybe there are not enough bikes for black children

Pieter Claassen wrote:

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Please check www.qhubeka.com .
Cheers
Pieter

Athos wrote:

<quoted text>If you don't agree thith THAT lab one day, you will be screaming FOUL again I guess

Athos wrote:

<quoted text>OK If you want to. BUT everyone on this blog is biased one way or another, that is why we are here.
You all managed to get rid of Will, a pity that

My Opinion_El Paso_TX wrote:

Almost forgot!
As for anyone making this an Americans vs the French, Raymond owns that title as he continuelly made that statement more than anyone else at the time.
When I began providing him with history trivia, only than did he begin backing off from that pedestal. He also found himself pinned in a corner by many others here as well.
Overall Chris, you were more geniune and honest than Will and Raymond.
Cheers

Gus wrote:

...I also rode with a bunch of Black Dudes in Solvang CA,good riders.