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Jul 8, 2008

The Landis Case

It's a shame, the Floyd Landis case. And not just because the disgraced American cyclist, who lost what hopefully is his last appeal, deluded himself into thinking he could buy and harass his way out of charges ...

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Jul 7, 2008
 

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The writer is, of course, entitled to his opinion, ill-informed though it may be, and taking the triumphalist line of the anti-doping agencies. An alternative might profitably be found at WADAwatch.blogspot.com , which today highlighted that,

Sadly, WADA didn't discern the fine and honorable nuance between:

“an aggressive campaign against the anti–doping movement”

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“an aggressive campaign against the implementation and
administration of the anti–doping movement
by a small group of insiders”

The WADA enforcement mechanism is interested in finding accused dopers guilty -- which is quite different than assigning blame to guilty dopers.

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trust but verify wrote:
The writer is, of course, entitled to his opinion, ill-informed though it may be, and taking the triumphalist line of the anti-doping agencies. An alternative might profitably be found at WADAwatch.blogspot.com , which today highlighted that,
Sadly, WADA didn't discern the fine and honorable nuance between:
“an aggressive campaign against the anti–doping movement”
and
“an aggressive campaign against the implementation and
administration of the anti–doping movement
by a small group of insiders”
The WADA enforcement mechanism is interested in finding accused dopers guilty -- which is quite different than assigning blame to guilty dopers.
TBV trustbut.blogspot.com
Thanks for this info. This anti-doping saga does nothing to do what it was intended to do-stop the use of performance enhancing substances. It is nothing but a witch hunt. I have always felt that education about the side effects and health risks of these drugs is the most effective approach for athletes and the fans that look up to them. How can you punish someone when the testing procedures are inaccurate and far behind in technology?

What should also be highlighted here is our winner takes all society and the pressure to perform. Especially when money is involved. It starts with parents living vicariously through their children in youth sports, to people profiting off of successful athletes and teams. This is more than a drug problem, it is a societal problem.

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trust but verify wrote:
The writer is, of course, entitled to his opinion, ill-informed though it may be, and taking the triumphalist line of the anti-doping agencies. An alternative might profitably be found at WADAwatch.blogspot.com , which today highlighted that,
Sadly, WADA didn't discern the fine and honorable nuance between:
“an aggressive campaign against the anti–doping movement”
and
“an aggressive campaign against the implementation and
administration of the anti–doping movement
by a small group of insiders”
The WADA enforcement mechanism is interested in finding accused dopers guilty -- which is quite different than assigning blame to guilty dopers.
TBV trustbut.blogspot.com
Hi TBV. Good to hear from you again. Thanks for providing your web site that has helped many cycling fans in better understanding what was invoilved in the Floyd Landis case.

You points above were right on the nail. Some of us actually understand what ZENman was explaining along with others who took the time in breaking the science down to our levels of understanding in here and in other cycling sites.

Cheers

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Thanks for this info. This anti-doping saga does nothing to do what it was intended to do-stop the use of performance enhancing substances. It is nothing but a witch hunt. I have always felt that education about the side effects and health risks of these drugs is the most effective approach for athletes and the fans that look up to them. How can you punish someone when the testing procedures are inaccurate and far behind in technology?
What should also be highlighted here is our winner takes all society and the pressure to perform. Especially when money is involved. It starts with parents living vicariously through their children in youth sports, to people profiting off of successful athletes and teams. This is more than a drug problem, it is a societal problem.
Step Up Your Game, that's refreshing to see that another individual gets the whole sociological picture into perspecyive.

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My Opinion_El Paso_TX wrote:
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Step Up Your Game, that's refreshing to see that another individual gets the whole sociological picture into perspecyive.
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My professor in my Sociology of Sport class said that the world of sport is a reflection of the larger society.

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My professor in my Sociology of Sport class said that the world of sport is a reflection of the larger society.
Good point. And it's quite true.

As any population grows larger, so does the probelms encountered within society. And people's beliefs readjust just as many behaviors also readjust.

It's the reason that organizations have to restratigize their various programs in order to hopefully meet the needs of society.

In the sport of cycling I really don't see the governing organizations restratigizing their policies to ensure that illegal drugs are being dealt with nor providing riders with a really good justice system to have faith in.

Those organizations seem more interested in their own personal issues. It's becoming very similar to what has been going on in Washington, DC, with our politicians.

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Jul 8, 2008
 
TbV... without your persistent and wide-ranging interests, I couldn't have devoted as much time to 'thinking it through'... as I would have had to look for, and maybe never find, the plethora of information that anyone can have thanks to you, and the full TRUSTBUT TEAM...

(I hope you like Part THREE, which I've been thinking about (Hint: Some readers here have seen, for over a month, some of the aspects that will come out in the last installment) for some time!)

(I may be independently walking down the same 'road' for which that certain Big Media Guy, back in May, was asking me to meet him...)

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Good point. And it's quite true.
As any population grows larger, so does the probelms encountered within society. And people's beliefs readjust just as many behaviors also readjust.
It's the reason that organizations have to restratigize their various programs in order to hopefully meet the needs of society.
In the sport of cycling I really don't see the governing organizations restratigizing their policies to ensure that illegal drugs are being dealt with nor providing riders with a really good justice system to have faith in.
Those organizations seem more interested in their own personal issues. It's becoming very similar to what has been going on in Washington, DC, with our politicians.
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This is so very well said. Thank you.
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Jul 8, 2008
 
dara torres, at the age of 41, made the olympic swim team. she's submitted no less than 15 different blood and urine sample for enhancement testing in the past calendar year, more times than both barry bonds and roger clemens combined.

it is possible to be clean still be successful

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This is so very well said. Thank you.
Thank you. I do have my moments. I like your name.

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manuel in am cnyn wrote:
dara torres, at the age of 41, made the olympic swim team. she's submitted no less than 15 different blood and urine sample for enhancement testing in the past calendar year, more times than both barry bonds and roger clemens combined.
it is possible to be clean still be successful
Yes! This is an amazing woman and I'll be watching out for her in the swimming events.

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Jul 9, 2008
 
and again, let's remember Jeanie Longo of FR, won the (i think) FR national road championship at AGE 49...

Vive les franaises (plural for 'women of France')

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Jul 9, 2008
 
cycling is ghey anyways...

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Jul 9, 2008
 
wILL is that you? your ami and your mate are looking for crabs...

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JAMES MAC wrote:
cycling is ghey anyways...
Could not keep up the repayments on your bike, hey? So the bank repossessed it!! I really feel sorry for you.

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ZENmud wrote:
and again, let's remember Jeanie Longo of FR, won the (i think) FR national road championship at AGE 49...
Vive les franaises (plural for 'women of France')
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Yes. She was one hell of a cyclist.
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Yes. She was one hell of a cyclist.
...apparently Jeannie is off to the Olys to rep. France.

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Jul 11, 2008
 
POST LANDIS STRESS SYNDROME:

Part I
http://wadawatch.blogspot.com/2008/07/wada-v-...

Part II
http://wadawatch.blogspot.com/2008/07/all-kin...

Part III
http://wadawatch.blogspot.com/2008/07/part-th...

Postscript
http://wadawatch.blogspot.com/2008/07/post-sc...

Sarkozy's probably making Jacques de Ceaurriz eat dust for vacation this summer...

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on a separate note: GUS! I don't know what you're watching, but I have the Golden League, with the women's High Jumpers: the most beautiful athletes in the world... sigh...

ZENsmiles

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Jul 11, 2008
 
PS.

that's about 35 pages I wrote this week, regarding the tsunami of CAS and Landis...

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#20
Jul 11, 2008
 
So, there are ten riders with questionable sample results in the TDF and they're trying to down play that issue.

Reminds me of the football players who were listed in Operation Puerto, but were never named publically.

I'd like to know why they made the cyclists name public, but kept the footballers names secrete!

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