Group asks Jonesborough to reconsider Confederate veterans' status

confederate soldiers were just the old Southern republicans who believed in slavery, nothing has changed in the South. Or is it; Jonesborough's finest pillows of the community are afraid their slave owning grandparents might deserve a "brick" also!

confederates were not union or us citizens.they were citizens of a foriegn power that tried to take over the us with violence rather than legislation.they have no right to the honors that soilders of the union or us desrve. most confederate soilders were duped and led blindly into conflict. the south needs their own memorials and whats to stop them from having them? laws? the us allows them to honor thier ancestors. united states memorials are for people that were citizens of the us.

double talk wrote:

confederates were not union or us citizens.they were citizens of a foriegn power that tried to take over the us with violence rather than legislation.they have no right to the honors that soilders of the union or us desrve. most confederate soilders were duped and led blindly into conflict. the south needs their own memorials and whats to stop them from having them? laws? the us allows them to honor thier ancestors. united states memorials are for people that were citizens of the us.

I agree completely and I'd just like to add that with all the "stupid yankee this and go back home yankee that" bullsh*t that most people around here talk why would they want to all of a sudden be included as equals with the northern union folks they so strongly despise. You southern bigots made your bed so quit bitchin and lay in it.

double talk, another florida yankee dhuuuuuuuuuuuu

concerned citizen wrote:

double talk, another florida yankee dhuuuuuuuuuuuu

Florida yankee? Dumbass you better learn to read a book and a map. It's pretty obvious your family tree doesn't have many forks in it.

dhuuuuuuu (__0__) double talk is in winter park fl,,,yeah larry you are an (__0__)

Well at least I don't have my ====> parked in my mother's (_0_) some goat's (_0_) or my father's (_0_) like you do you inbred backwoods human reject. Take your self proclaimed southern righteousness along with your limited intelligence and do the human gene pool a favor and eat a bullet. The world would be a better place without you and your ass-backwards type in it.

concerned citizen wrote:

dhuuuuuuu (__0__) double talk is in winter park fl,,,yeah larry you are an (__0__)

Not Americans? I beg to differ, if anything the Confederate soilder fought to uphold the Constiution that this country was founded on! And you can preach the issue of slavery, as allways. Study your history books boys, take a look at some of Lincolns writings from the period, and tell me it was over slavery, hogwash. You have been duped by the same school systems that are trying to brain wash our children today. And for trying to take over the U.S., the Confederacy was invaided by a force raised by a dictator who wished to flex the power of the federal goverment. Dont think so, just look around you today, how much freedom do YOU really have! As far as the stupid yankee this and that, and yankee go home, if you did not come down here with your high and mighty attitudes, act like your Gods gift, and pretend to know everything, then you would not hear these comments. If the shoe fits....Thee Union may have won the Civil War, but what pisses you off is the fact that they never broke the Southern spirit! We take your jokes and ridicule, call us inbred, bigots, or what ever. I dont mean this a reflection upon all northerners, there are some good ones, and to those I appologize for this, Southerners not as good as yankees, I agree, we are far better that most!

Jim...Jim...Jim,
I'm not disputing they were Americans at all, in fact if they weren't then it wouldn't have been a civil war now would it? However they were not U.S. Service Men/Woman, They were confederate soldiers fighting against their perceived foe (The United States)from whom they were trying to seced.
As for beating the Southern "spirit" and you being better than most, please dude... take that chest thumping bullsh*t down the road. No one here is trying to break anyone's anything.

Also as for being "invaded", the first shots of the civil war were fired from the seceding state of South Carolina where Confederate soldiers fired on the Federal garrison at Fort Sumter on April 12, 1861, on the principle that the fort was occupied by soldiers of a foreign nation(the United States of America).
Also some say the first shots were fired in Pensacola, Florida on Jan. 8, 1861, when United States Army guards repelled a group of men intending to take Fort Barrancas in Pensacola Harbor though Florida had not yet formally seceded from the union.

So by your own definition the Confederate soldiers were fighting against the U.S. Army and there for are NOT U.S. Military personnel or soldiers even though they were in fact Americans.

Jim wrote:

Not Americans? I beg to differ, if anything the Confederate soilder fought to uphold the Constiution that this country was founded on! And you can preach the issue of slavery, as allways. Study your history books boys, take a look at some of Lincolns writings from the period, and tell me it was over slavery, hogwash. You have been duped by the same school systems that are trying to brain wash our children today. And for trying to take over the U.S., the Confederacy was invaided by a force raised by a dictator who wished to flex the power of the federal goverment. Dont think so, just look around you today, how much freedom do YOU really have! As far as the stupid yankee this and that, and yankee go home, if you did not come down here with your high and mighty attitudes, act like your Gods gift, and pretend to know everything, then you would not hear these comments. If the shoe fits....Thee Union may have won the Civil War, but what pisses you off is the fact that they never broke the Southern spirit! We take your jokes and ridicule, call us inbred, bigots, or what ever. I dont mean this a reflection upon all northerners, there are some good ones, and to those I appologize for this, Southerners not as good as yankees, I agree, we are far better that most!

Larry,
I have studied the War Of Northern Aggression for more than 35 years, so I dont think I need a history lesson. And it was not my intent to do any chest thumping, just stateing the truth. Funny,why are you worried about what goes on up here in this end of the state anyway, the town has allready voted to include the stones honoring Confederates, so I guess you will have to resolve yourself to the fact that we did win this little battle. As for being better, I did not say all yankees were a**holes, but haveing travled to every state on the eastern seaboard, and all of the upper mid west, 75% of the ones that I've had the displeasue to come in contact with, are prime grade-A total jerks. You have your views, I have mine, but mull on this, everyime you see a Confederate Battle Flag flying in some hick redneck's yard, like mine, when you see it on a tag or bumper sticker, or t-shirt, think about what I said about the Southern Spirit, did y'all really win the war?

Jim,

I'm not "worried" and I didn't view this whole brick thing as a "battle", I just stated my opinions. As for my caring about the Jonesborough area, I do own property there and have for some time.
I too have traveled extensively across the USA as well as abroad and the biggest difference between the northern folks and the southern folks is that up north they just tell you like it is and down here they sugar coat it a bit. Not that one is better than the other, they're just different approaches. I've met quite a few southern morons in my day as well as northern ones and at the end of the day people are people.

What ever the outcome of the brick situation is really doesn't matter to me since I myself didn't fight against any confederate soldiers and anyone who has is long turned to dust. What still remains a fact no matter how you spin it is that the Confederate soldiers were not U.S. Army personnel which was the main point of all my posts.
But since southern heritage and unbroken spirit are so important to you for some reason, how do you think those old dead Confederate soldiers would feel if they knew they were being set in memory right next to the people they were trying to kill and get away from?

I do find some amusement in your final statement though about hick yards plastered with confederate flags and bumper stickers and such. What I notice most and find most entertaining is that you refer to me(and northerners?) as "ya'll" showing you still believe you and "the south" are still not part of the same country that the rest of "us" belong to.
It's that old school mentality that will eventually fade away as the generations pass.
As for me, I'm from the south born and raised but I guess I'm a new world southerner. I keep my personal heritage but I don't walk around thinking an almost 150 year old past war is still going on today and that my countrymen are my enemy because they do things a little different than I do or live in another part of the country.

Jim wrote:

Larry,
I have studied the War Of Northern Aggression for more than 35 years, so I dont think I need a history lesson. And it was not my intent to do any chest thumping, just stateing the truth. Funny,why are you worried about what goes on up here in this end of the state anyway, the town has allready voted to include the stones honoring Confederates, so I guess you will have to resolve yourself to the fact that we did win this little battle. As for being better, I did not say all yankees were a**holes, but haveing travled to every state on the eastern seaboard, and all of the upper mid west, 75% of the ones that I've had the displeasue to come in contact with, are prime grade-A total jerks. You have your views, I have mine, but mull on this, everyime you see a Confederate Battle Flag flying in some hick redneck's yard, like mine, when you see it on a tag or bumper sticker, or t-shirt, think about what I said about the Southern Spirit, did y'all really win the war?

Larry,
You finally got what I have been talking about, It Is Old School, and that is what I aim to preserve. And I never said that Confederates were United States soilders, I simpley said that they deserve the same respect and honor as those who fought in any war. I shall continue to pay respect to them, just as I do to my ancestors who fought in both world wars, Korea, and Vietnam. I also have a nephew who is a Marine serveing in Iraq right now, they were, and are U.S. soilders. And to a degree you are right, some of us do still consider this not to be a part of the same country, and we like it that way. As you said, at the end of the day people are just people. And you and I are just two people with different views, were not enemies, just from different generations. You know as well as I, that people have been argueing these points for allmost 150 years, and we could go on tradeing insults and such, and at the end of the day, neither of us will have said anything to change the others opinion. So with that I shall withdraw from this contest of words, and wish you well my friend. You enjoy your New South, and I shall continue to do all I can to preserve mine.

Jim,

Fair enough neighbor, have a good day.

[(_0_}] a brick for lARRY

double talk wrote:

confederates were not union or us citizens.they were citizens of a foriegn power that tried to take over the us with violence rather than legislation.

You couldn't be more wrong. The South NEVER tried to take over the US. They saw no other recourse and tried to break away from it, and form a separate nation, much as the 13 Colonies did from the British.

Nor was the war over slavery. Slavery was merely the straw that broke the camel's back.

What actually caused the war was unfair, and perhaps unconstitutional, taxation on the South. Even though the South only had a GDP of about 1/5 of the state of New York alone, the South was funding about 85% of the Federal government's total revenue.

Southerners were upset because it cost them more to live, much like the upset throughout the nation last year when gas prices shot up between $4 and $5 a gallon.

To Larry from New York: The North SUCKS. Wake up. To others: Do everything you can to preserve memory of the South (and no, I don't mean slavery, lol); this country is going to need the truth someday!

jane for president, hold on to your butt SARA!

I guess it's a mute point since the SCV and SLRC have passed a resolution calling for a boycott of Jonesborough since the bricks won't display a confederate designation. The mayor and alderman consider the matter closed.

I say oh well, no big loss, let them go somewhere else.