Mar 26, 2008
The Untold History of Post-Civil War 'Neo-Slavery'
In Slavery By Another Name, Douglas Blackmon of the Wall Street Journal argues that slavery did not end in the United States with the emancipation proclamation in 1862.
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“Ase Ase Ase”
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Finally the truth is acknowledged.
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“"Justice and Equality for All"”
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Wow! That's fascinating and to think that we only knew about the sharecroppers that were still virtually slaves after emancipation! This story is so incredible and sad at the same time! But it just shows how most of these company's profitted off of slave labor and was able to acquire wealth for generations! They own us reparations! |
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“Ase Ase Ase”
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I got bits and pieces of this growing up in the south. I am so sickened to think of all of those who died and were just dumped without their families knowing where they were or what happened to them. |
Wait. It's not yet over. More is to be revieled still. |
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Judged:
1 First, Prison labor was not exclusive to the South. Prisoner leasing and the use of the chain gang was nationwide and included all races. Does that mean everyone is due reparations? If so, let's call it a "stimulus package" and call it even. Second, Notice the prison population nationwide during the times he speaks of. Not an overwhelming population, so the "horror" wasn't as widespread as embellished, and definitely not oriented only towards Blacks. It was oriented toward criminals. http://www.justicepolicy.org/images/upload/00... Third, The government will spend $57 Billion on prisons this year alone. Under the current system, the prisoner is no more than an endless drain on the economy. Maybe this practice should be reinvigorated. |
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“Ase Ase Ase”
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I am afraid to ask. |
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“Caramel LADY Female US Soldier”
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I notice everything blacks have accomplished you ALWAYS downplay and everything blacks have been thru you are ALWAYS There to say "oh it wasnt THAT bad". What is your problem? This is a very tragic story and I am glad that someone finally spoke about it. |
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1 Not at all. I am merely pointing out historical inaccuracies. Inaccuracies are rampant on here, often embellished for the sole purpose of exciting the tensions of uneducated readers, or in the case of achievements, embellished or fabricated to give the impression of reason for promoting a false sense of self esteem. There are many true Black achievers in history, unfortunately, the editors feel it more convenient to make up their own. Either way, revisionist history that can't withstand scrutiny, and none of it can, is nothing short of mythology. As far as this particular article, I merely pointed out that this practice was not exclusive to Blacks, as the author implied. Many prisoners of all races suffered the same fate if not worse. I understand the point of the article though, the author is pinpointing his target audience for a future book selling. By implying that Blacks were the target of this practice, he stimulates interest in his market city of Atlanta. Buy the book, I bet you'll be outraged. |
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“Ase Ase Ase”
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The thing is that these prisoners weren't leased. They were sold - then loaned or resold. Long after slavery was abolished. |
See how embellishment can run wild? The author emphasized sold over and over, but if you look in the introduction about Green Cottenham, his sentence was a year. Sold is for life. This was leased prison labor and it happened to all races. |
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2006 I think you need to write your own book. Because by the look of things you are not talking about the same thing as the author here has written about. We all know about those hard labour chain gang sort of prisons you are talking about. This is another story all together. Stop confusing people. Be true to you username, let the truth be told, in this year of 2008. |
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“Ase Ase Ase”
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bump
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1 What's confusing to you? Read the article again. He is describing prisoner leasing as if it were a Black only phenomena. It wasn't. He's stirring resentment by slanting the facts, to appeal to his base of consumers. Hate Whites if you want. I don't care. But lies and fabrications don't lend credibility. |
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2006 I promise to read the article again, but please don't associate me with that word; hate. I don't hate anyone, and by the way, the author of this book is white. Not so? Let's just tell the truth people???!!! Otherwise what are we doing this for?
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“can't we talk about it....”
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...Hello. I don't have to buy the book. I did a report in 8th grade on the laws established in the south during and after the reconstruction period. This was not a difference in sentencing practices between white, black and others.The wording of these laws enabled black and other 'criminals' to be involved in forced slavery where a man who could have a white man stand for him would be released to that white man.R U wearing your thinking cap? They also held that once endentured to someone, if a man is found not in compliance in some way(the work just ain't enough,or even "I can't feed this n word" meant not in compliance),then he could be leased over to another, with the ORIGINAL fines, fees, and SENTENCE restarted at the time of exchange. Yes, it did involve many men, and many hands were well greased. There are the original documents stating these laws... ...walking on the sidewalk with a white man(how can a white man break this law) ...entering a store while a white customer is present ...SUBORDINATION to a white man(wonder what would constitute subordination in your book, looking in your eyes, not saying sir?) how about a few on the books where black men were convicted of sending thier wives/daughters to rape a white man? Maybe, Sir, to your honor, you wouldn't ever be as unfair in weilding power, but there were and are people who will. No, this man is not just trying to capitalize on some little thing. The practice of prison labor was and is the law all over the country- for every one, but those mines were dug in the south, wells drilled in the south, and laws written specifically to exclude white citizens were written and practiced in the south. So, how does selective myth making sound to you. Only what fits in with what you feel is true, and everything else is revisited history, thus, mythology? |
With gullible fools like you buying this book it will make the best seller list in the FICTION category. |
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“can't we talk about it....”
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...can we say selective selection? How about self delusional? ...you can open your mind in the privacy of your own home, research and see for yourself....don't have to admit it to noone else...and you don't have to see us get reperations because you let yourself know the truth...I don't have to buy the book, I already know what he found out.. |
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“Slap The Taste Out Yo' Mouf”
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You're missing the point. They weren't criminals, the excerpt tells of fabricated bs laws that were exclusively drafted for the sole purpose of imprisoning black men for forced labor. Criminals sentenced to labor for actual crimes committed is another story entirely. A young black man imprisoned for "vagrancy" is the true crime. Secondly, it's obvious that you didn't read the entire excerpt, if you had you would know that he clearly says the records were fudged because those that were doing it new it was illegal. Lastly, you can't speak of nationwide statistics when 80% of all african americans of the era lived in the southern states. national statistics are useless. Prisons are big business and a lot of people get rich building them. Small towns usually are the ones who want prisons in their cities because the local government gets to sell the land at top dollar and it brings jobs which means taxes, not to mention the vendors and services associated with running the complex. They're not spending that money for nothing, there's a profit in it, if it wasn't there wouldn't be any prisons. |
Hmmmm...hard to debate an 8th Grader. I'm sure your research was indepth. Let me try though. You mentioned several facts that are true. Whites didn't like Blacks. True. Blacks had several segregationist type laws during Jim Crow. True. Balcks were considered less than Whites. True again. Unfortunately, none of it is relevant to my point. I never said that prisoner leasing never happened, I said it happened to all races. Prisoner leasing were a money making enterprise that forced the criminal to pay for his upkeep. If you want I can post numerous articles about chain gangs, the industry base of Alcatraz, the leasing program at Pelican Bay...the list goes on. These were predominately White prisons during this practice. It wasn't a Blacks only issue. |
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