Girl, 10, Attacks Teacher Who Took Her Halloween Candy

flbadcatowner wrote:

<quoted text>While I do not rule out poor parenting, it may have been that the mother truly was surprised by her daughter's behavior. How often do you hear of violent crimes being committed by people whom one would least expect it from? I am leaning toward poor discipline at home, but there certainly is no absolutely conclusive proof. If the parents are asleep on the job as parents, they'd better wake up in a hurry.

Well this is just one more thing we will never know for sure. We have so little infomation to go on. I hope for all concerned that the mother was surprised and that she will take the proper action. The times we hear about violent crimes being committed by people whom one least expects.......those people are often loners that kept to themselves and have caused no problems that we know of. They are deeply disturbed folks that as we go about our daily rountiness are plotting thier revenge on society.

Tiger Lilly wrote:

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Well this is just one more thing we will never know for sure. We have so little infomation to go on. I hope for all concerned that the mother was surprised and that she will take the proper action. The times we hear about violent crimes being committed by people whom one least expects.......those people are often loners that kept to themselves and have caused no problems that we know of. They are deeply disturbed folks that as we go about our daily rountiness are plotting thier revenge on society.

Not all loners by a long shot become surprise criminals and not all surprise criminals are loners. I once knew of a family where the oldest son became a circuit court judge and the youngest son a convicted murderer. It is not always productive to make generalizations.

I certainly hope that the mother communicates to the child that the child's behavior was over the top and that the mother doesn't blame everybody but her daughter.

flbadcatowner wrote:

<quoted text>Not all loners by a long shot become surprise criminals and not all surprise criminals are loners. I once knew of a family where the oldest son became a circuit court judge and the youngest son a convicted murderer. It is not always productive to make generalizations.
I certainly hope that the mother communicates to the child that the child's behavior was over the top and that the mother doesn't blame everybody but her daughter.

Sorry, that post was supposed to read "at times we hear about violent crimes". Of course most loners don't commit crimes and some crimes are commited by people who live with others. I was thinking in terms of The Son Of Sam, Hinkley after his parents kicked him out, The Unibomber that time of person. Many times you see men who have lost their job and they act out with their family and when the wife/girlfriend has had enough she leaves with the kids. The man is now alone and he is angry and blames everyone but himself and he plots to get even. The ex boss, coworker, wife and even kids and at times total strangers become his enemy.
One can only hope this case will be the last time we hear anything bad about the girl. Hope springs eternal.

In the old days the child would be removed for evaluation.

flbadcatowner wrote:

<quoted text>Not all loners by a long shot become surprise criminals and not all surprise criminals are loners. I once knew of a family where the oldest son became a circuit court judge and the youngest son a convicted murderer. It is not always productive to make generalizations.
I certainly hope that the mother communicates to the child that the child's behavior was over the top and that the mother doesn't blame everybody but her daughter.

I tend to agree with you both. The thing is that different children in a dysfunctional family will turn out differently. I think it goes back to the comments I made somewhere else about a marred conscience. Some will be for what was done to them, and others against it.

It could even tie in with Dr. Karen Horney's theories regarding neurosis. There are 3 main patterns of neurotic trends. Someone is either "for others," "against others," or "away from others." All the behaviors here are normal, but when a person uses only a limited set, that is a problem. When your only tool is a hammer, all problems look a bit like nails. "For others" includes things like charm and unhealthy codependency. "Against others" would be competitive and confrontational behaviors, machismo, etc. Then "away from others" would be those who are super independent, are loners, keep to themselves, etc.

One thing about the 3 patterns is that they usually hide the opposite situation. Someone who is super "nice" is often mean and vindictive. You visit a "sweet ole lady" and you may get the feeling that something isn't right, and her pets may become aggressive towards you. Those who show themselves as tough, competitive, and confrontational often have fears of being inadequate, weak, and so on. Those who are overly independent may be the most needy of the 3 and shut out situations that require skills they don't have. At least alone, they feel adequate and can be whoever they want. This ties in with what Paula said, since they may lack the skills to solicit help or react with an appropriate level of aggression at the time of whatever, so emotional injuries build up.

RayOne wrote:

In the old days the child would be removed for evaluation.

That is actually a more modern phenomenon. In the real old days, she would have gotten 2-3 beatings for the same incident.

Oh, and why all the forest fire prevention ads? I doubt I could start a forest fire from my computer.

Purple Gurl wrote:

<quoted text>That is actually a more modern phenomenon. In the real old days, she would have gotten 2-3 beatings for the same incident.

Oh, and why all the forest fire prevention ads? I doubt I could start a forest fire from my computer.

I would charge the parent for the child's action, but that makes me bad.

RayOne wrote:

In the old days the child would be removed for evaluation.

In the old days the child would be placed in a home and never heard from again. That’s what they should do with this animal. The kid is obviously an animals and her entire family is at fault. I would say just look at them but we ALL know what we’re dealing with here.

Kids like this would be the pilot program for,'Train Wreck TV', it's cheaper than reality, using police record and a minimum of interviews given by neighbors, teachers & victims.